Same old question. Where did these guys come from? For 5 days we were engaged in gunbattles 10 kms from the LOC? Why was Pakistani positions across the LOC not engaged? Why didn't we bother to cross over and occupy some areas? Why was the situation not escalated? Granted the operations started on LETs terms but why did we not finish it on our terms?
Re: Why was not a single bomb dropped across the border?
by jedi boss on Mar 26, 2009 07:36 AM
Why was not a single bomb dropped across the border? Because congi leadership is full of feminine-men. They love getting the hot-rod from backside all the time. How can they sacrifice their pleasures????
to all of you who say BJP is better than congress, can u deny that BJP and its communal friends have given enough stupid reasons for the communal fighting with the country? they have not only used the british divide and rule policy, between hindus and other religions, to excellence, but has also isolated hinduism from the world, tainted a religion which untill advani and narendra modi was known for its tolerance and love of peace but also after stirring up a hornet's nest has NEVER been at the forefront of attacking the terrorists! all bjp has done is killing thousands of muslims in godra riots giving birth to millions of ppl against india and fueling the terrorist's requirement for a motive!
Re: Better or not?
by bapiraju valluri on Mar 26, 2009 06:26 AM
Hindus & Muslims are two different religions and entities. there is no reason for BJP or Advani to divide them. right from day one of dividing the country the hatred is there and would be there. those who dislike to live in this Hindu country should have left and the rest who stayed back should be good Indian citizens. in 62 yrs. of independence Govt.s have done so much to the minority community that no other Govt. in the world could have done. it is not the deficiencies of the successive Govt.s or certain individuals/leaders causing this hatred. it was there embedded in the religious divide and can't be attributed to some Hindu leaders. when ever the hatred is exhibited in the form of anti national and violent activities, such leaders or individuals /organizations give a wakeup call. it is for those citizens to realise and unite into a single strong community/religion for the survival or upkeep of the religion/nationality. Unlike the so called secular Congress, the other national party is showing the situation in a mirror and awakening the citizens whether they take it or leave it. if in a 70 crore Hindu community some retaliations surface, not to be blamed; when one sees vis a vis unprovoked, anti national activities perpetrated by other religions. thank god there is some one trying to awaken the Hindus from deep slumber.
Re: Better or not?
by harsha chatra on Mar 26, 2009 06:15 AM
What about death of thousands of innocent Kashmiri Pandits? Oh sorry! They are dispensable!
The control of Violence is not brought by either Congress or BJP, its by our Great Indian Army and JK Police! Jai Jawan!
When we have people like you Mr. Raman in RAW, this will keep happening. What kind of intelligence you guys are gathering? Where were you, when ten guys from international water crossed to Indian water and then killed so many people? Don't you think people like can just write a shit article here and do nothing.
Re: When we have people like you Mr. Raman, this will keep happen
by ramen das on Mar 26, 2009 05:40 AM
he is a retired guy u fool...why r u shouting at him?
Re: When we have people like you Mr. Raman, this will keep happen
by ramen das on Mar 26, 2009 05:40 AM
he is a retired guy u fool...why r u shouting at him?
Re: Re: When we have people like you Mr. Raman, this will keep ha
by stlouis on Mar 26, 2009 06:53 AM
I know, when did I say that he is still in RAW? But the people like him is still there. I know, why you are getting mad at me, because he is fanatic hindu tamil brahmin like you, who always come with the ready made stories after each bomb blasts, with the same crap LeT, HUJI, SIMI and now IM. The stories from him are always laughable, which never make any sense.
Re: Re: Re: When we have people like you Mr. Raman, this will kee
by Your Mate on Mar 26, 2009 06:59 AM
I agree with you with stlouis. LET huji SIMI and IM are the most moderate organizations in the world and they need to be recognized by UN for their peace efforts and probably awarded the nobel peace price for this year. This would make u happy right? U sickular people, pls. learn
Re: Re: Re: When we have people like you Mr. Raman, this will kee
by ramen das on Mar 26, 2009 08:28 AM
oh yes...none of them exist...Indians commit suicide & put the blame on Pakis... cut the crap commie...
Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by Truth on Mar 26, 2009 04:11 AM
And so is Varun Gandhi, your hero.. Hehe... says "Tapes are doctored" after he is caught on video.. He should learn to be more of a diplomat.. not behave like a street-side thug.
Re: Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by Fried Yakov on Mar 26, 2009 04:31 AM
Why do you always consider BJP in a bad light when the Congress is avowedly more communal than any other party and decidedly provides a corrupt, inept, and inefficient administration? The Congress orchestrated the death of over 5000 Sikhs in 1984, tens of thousands of Kashmiri pandits died and many more were displaced due to Congress mishandling the Kashmir issue and not cracking down heavily on local supporters of Kasmiri terror, and more than 6000 people died in terror attacks after POTA was scrapped. Then who is more communal? Also, the BJP led NDA gave the country a near 11% solid growth rate year after year inspite of the crippling international sanctions against India post Pokhran 2, while now, with no sanctions whatsoever against India, we have a less than 6% growth rate, had record high inflation, and exhorbitant prices. So who manages the economy better?
Re: Re: Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by Truth on Mar 26, 2009 05:19 AM
Incidentally, the congress has shown better handling of the economy in the recession times than many world leaders did... We have one of the the economies least affected by the recession. This again disqualifies the BJP's claim of economic mishandling.
Re: Re: Re: Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by Fried Yakov on Mar 26, 2009 05:32 AM
HE HE the growth rate is lost inmore than half a decade, India had the highest inflation rate in its history during 2008, and the prices of essentials are exhorbitant. And to crown it all is the 50000 crore rupees mising from the national coffers, and the Satyam saga, including cancellation of allits UN contracts. What superb handling of the economy by the UPA!!!! Millions of jobs already lost and people still losing even more jobs- UPA jai ho!!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by middle finger on Mar 26, 2009 05:52 AM
fried shit, bjp has never handled the economics during a economic ercession !! and teh sanctions against india weer only related to nuclear field and sale of military technology! it never had any economic sanctions against it! infact india attracted the first economi sanction after the bjp nuclear testing, which was not a bad move by bjp. but the fact is, bjp has always been oppurtunistic and cowardly always biting the cold end and refusing to handle the hot end other than harping at ppl who do have the guts to burn thier fingers!
Re: Re: Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by Truth on Mar 26, 2009 05:07 AM
hehe.. I like you - fried something. You have no job except a cutting and pasting work... hehe..
Stop commenting if you have nothing new to say. We know your comment. We WILL bear that in mind.
Re: Re: Re: Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by ramen das on Mar 26, 2009 05:19 AM
why do u bring in varun gandhi here?... it was about foreign policy...no matter what pakis try ur jihadis will always be consider retarded fools & not freedom fighters...
Re: Re: Re: Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by Fried Yakov on Mar 26, 2009 05:18 AM
So please stop posting your avowedly anti-national falsities if you cannot reply to my genuine points. If India seems not the right place for you, please migrate to Porkistan
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by ramen das on Mar 26, 2009 05:21 AM
i think he is already there... enjoying vacation in panaromic SWAT valley...where his daughter is delighted to skip school...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by stlouis on Mar 26, 2009 05:22 AM
You didn't get anything to say, so again you playing the same cassette. Stop bashing patriotic muslims.
Re: Re: Re: David miliband is Rahul Gandhi friend
by Kaiser Raja on Mar 26, 2009 05:11 AM
This is the best part of India. Each and every person in a political party is an oppurtunist and uses all possible communal and non-communal means to remain in power. Still we as citizens try to favour one party over the other. We simply do not have the power to reject all these political parties. So either choose a rotten egg or a rotten apple. Keep fighting. Atleast I am enjoying 12000 km away from India's shores.
I totally agree with what sachin has said. having served in J & K for 4 years now let me tell u friends what we face. The moment we leave our base the local population alerts the terrorists , we manouvre and sorround them and then manage to kill a few scums.... then there is a huge ruckus amongst the civilians that we have popped off an innocent.. Tell me when you are fired from a house with bullets flying all around you will you stop to enquire whether the person who is firing is a terrorist or a misguided youth. Dont i have the right to see my daughter growing up , my wife happy when i go home.......It is only the Indian Army that silently does its job keeping the safety of all the civilians in mind. Had this been the US army they would have bombed the sh*t out of the entire area and then ventured inside.Sadly reporters like Barkha Dutt and gang catch their morning flight from delhi , reach srinagar in the afternoon , stay at the Dal lake for the night and cover the story and move back to delhi the next evening. They talk of human rights , dont my jawans deserve to go home in one peice after the end of their tenure....the terrorists have s#x with the daughters of the kashmiris and the locals tell the media that it is the army who is r@ping them....... The moment you sorround a village the women start to tear their clothes and display themselves.... a great sob story for the media in the prime time news.really sad state of affairs in the paradise of the world.
Re: The Media Devil
by Truth on Mar 26, 2009 04:25 AM
We do stand by the army. We do understand your difficulties.
But, this is ridiculous to say the army is not raping some of the women in Kashmir. Why the hell would women just tear off their clothes as soon as you go into a village? Surely they don't know that Barkha Dutt is marching with you(assuming he is). So, the news of your behavior will not come out. So, then, how, and why did the clothes tear?
I know this is a harsh comment, but with all due respect to the army, I think we would need a little more restraint from the jawans when they are in the line of duty. I can tell you from my experience that when the CRPF some for election duty on the trains at election time, they don't behave like they are dealing with Indian civilians.
Maybe you should pop off the scum in your department first if you want to inspire trust and respect in the army from civilians.. When a jawan rapes a girl, don't you realise that it reflects on the whole army, not just the scumbag?
As for me, I like the army because they are fighting for the country.. But, I would have them at the border, and not in my village, because of the way they behave with us civilians. Sadly, this is the same story with anybody with some authority in India, police, politicians, ....
Re: Re: The Media Devil
by Fried Yakov on Mar 26, 2009 04:37 AM
You ask what the the army does- have you ever asked yourself what you can do to strengthen the might of the Army which protects you?
Re: Re: The Media Devil
by Pundit on Mar 26, 2009 04:47 AM
IHow can a jawan who is tasked to do a cordon and search operation as part of a platoon have SEX on his mind. Having seen the plight of these jawans and officers I am convinced that there is NO truth in all this allegations of rape. All these allegations of molestation of women etc are acts done by selective misguided people who sympathize with the terrorists. The terrorists use women as a shield to escape and when the Army try to enter the house and corner these scoundrels they scream rape. Female like Barkha Dutt are in this only for fame and scintillating news. They have no idea about investigative journalism. Even during kargil she was in the most protected place and the Army aided in the Tamasha to get media exposure. She has NO moral scuples in life to get some spicy news. I trust BBC & Al Jazeerah more than Barkha & her group. LONG LIVE THE ARMY...but seriously whose war are u fighting. I feel we should let kasmiris fight among themselves. Let Abdulla protect his brothers.
Re: Re: Re: The Media Devil
by Truth on Mar 26, 2009 04:55 AM
I have myself met army personnel who misbehave with women. The other day, in a train, an army fellow(officer grade) and his colleague were in trouble with the RPF for molesting a college girl in a picnic team from Punjab. And the RPF can't arrest or do anything to the scumbag. He has to be reported to the army. Some people like this are using the army to do nefarious things. I don't dislike the army. I really believe such people have to be dealt with like they deserve, not shielded by the army. Exposing and disciplining such men will not dishonour the army. It will actually do the opposite.
Re: Re: Re: Re: The Media Devil
by bake lal on Mar 26, 2009 05:58 AM
So you dont like Varun Gandhi who talked about his rights as a person. You dont trust the Indian Army guy who after putting his life at risk only defends himself and his dignity. You dont trust him when he is right here. But you do trust the terrorist who is already killed or the "raped" woman you haven't met. So are the terrorist or the raped woman or her husband? I mean you are so sure that the Army guy is wrong, and the other party is right, I am sure you have your reasons to believe so. Right?
Re: Re: Re: Re: The Media Devil
by Fried Yakov on Mar 26, 2009 05:21 AM
Seems only you are witness to such imaginary incidents amongst the more than 1 billion Indians- you must be either having a vivid imagination or be uterly unlucky???
Re: Re: The Media Devil
by amol choudhary on Mar 26, 2009 09:07 AM
Dear Truth...... don't blame the entire Army for an odd incident. And these kashmiris deserved to be raped by the army for openly supporting seperatists... we are always with you our Army Men.
Re: Re: The Media Devil
by yashoda on Mar 26, 2009 05:17 AM
Army men are also humans, they are in your village to fight the militants and wash out their bases. Its also your duty that your village is not being used by these fuc*ing militants.What is your contribution ? Can you give one. I doubt your own efforts. Whether you behave as a responsible citizen. A big NO. You want authority to question the patiotism of Army men, a BSF SOLDIER, you dont desrve it. Army will be there in your village till the hypocratic persons like you dont cooperate and understand the Nation.
Re: The Media Devil
by doc on Mar 26, 2009 07:10 AM
Shri.Dhar, I repect your first-hsnd views. Serrving officers could alert their higher-ups & a policy in this regard to sanction firing for their personal security could be brought up ..
Re: The Media Devil
by Grizzly on Mar 26, 2009 04:02 AM
We are with you Indian army! Every patriotic Indian will always support you and dont worry about corrupt journos like barkha who whoever is ba#rking! Let her clearly declare her religion before she writes any ru#bbi$h.
The biggest culprit here is the weak Indian govt who has shown no guts to change things. Unless article 370 is abolished and all Indians allowed to settle in Kashmir, nothing will change! mooselems will never let anyone else live in peace! Only when article 370 is abolished and other Indians can freely settle in Kashmir, will situation change there.
Only BJP has the guts to do it and has openly declared that it will allow all Indians to settle in Kashmir if it comes to power with absolute majority. Otherwise, its allies keep pulling its legs and dont allow it to do what it wants.
Re: Re: The Media Devil
by Truth on Mar 26, 2009 04:30 AM
The BJP is cunning. It knows absolute majority is not possible for any party in this elections. That is why it added the 'if' clause to its promises. Anyways, what do you have to expect from the party which patronizes communal violence? Nothing except what you already don't know - communal patronization and violence using men like the Thackerays and Mutalik.
Re: Re: Re: The Media Devil
by Fried Yakov on Mar 26, 2009 04:36 AM
Why do you always consider BJP in a bad light when the Congress is avowedly more communal than any other party and decidedly provides a corrupt, inept, and inefficient administration? The Congress orchestrated the death of over 5000 Sikhs in 1984, tens of thousands of Kashmiri pandits died and many more were displaced due to Congress mishandling the Kashmir issue and not cracking down heavily on local supporters of Kasmiri terror, and more than 6000 people died in terror attacks after POTA was scrapped. Then who is more communal? Also, the BJP led NDA gave the country a near 11% solid growth rate year after year inspite of the crippling international sanctions against India post Pokhran 2, while now, with no sanctions whatsoever against India, we have a less than 6% growth rate, had record high inflation, and exhorbitant prices. So who manages the economy better?
Re: Re: Re: The Media Devil
by laddusingh on Mar 26, 2009 06:08 AM
Atleast, the BJP doesn't have people like you who insult armymen and support culprits...
Re: The Media Devil
by jedi boss on Mar 26, 2009 08:08 AM
Indranil, the whole nation is backing our ARMY. It is the INDIAN ARMY that is keeping the nation together. We don't give a damn for those who criticise the good work you guys are doing.
Re: The Media Devil
by Fried Yakov on Mar 26, 2009 04:35 AM
I salute you Sir, and others of your kind, who are serving in the Indian Army, for the service you provide in keeping the nation secure, despite all the politicking by the politicians. Sir, I believe it is time for people like you in the uniformed services to rise up to the occassion and force all the anti-national politicians into life-long imprisonment / exile, and confiscation of all their personal property by the state. Unfortunately, in India the public are both gullible and divided, unable to fathom the nationalist parties and further nationalist ideas. I am sure the comman man will not mind a few years of military rule, if the scum of society, the evil anti-national political class is annhilated, and a nationalist regime established. The constitution too needs to be modified to allow only nationalist parties to contest elections in India. As common people, we look up to the uniformed services to deliver us from anti-national politicians and chart a blazing growth story and development pathway for the nation
Re: The Media Devil
by mo jintao on Mar 26, 2009 08:00 AM
You guys in the indian army are too nice, that has always been your problem. Just pay to get the best PR in the world and bomb the sh*t out of the scumba*s. The world is always safer w/o terrorists AND their sympathizers of either gender. If not you will get killed both physically as well as in the media circus. Just watch the jok*rs at al-hajera tv and xinhua or your own burka datt. Gobels is alive and doing well my friend, his theory of a lie repeated a thousand times become the truth is far more prevalent today than anytime in history. Peace.
Re: The Media Devil
by Saurabh Pal on Mar 26, 2009 03:39 AM
A very good response Indranil. I think most of India realises what the Indian army has to put up with in J&K and all of us support you fully.
The article also points out the success that the Army has got in the last couple of years.
To add to your comment, let me add that the politicians are equally to blame. They are out to get popularity by saying things that go down well with the masses no matter how much harm they do in the long term.
There will always be the likes of Barkha Dutt and company who are out to make a fast buck at the expense of the country. It is high time that these people are exposed.
Keep up the hard but good job. All we can do is support you folks!
Re: Re: The Media Devil
by indranil dhar on Mar 26, 2009 04:26 PM
Thanks a lot all of you guys , your comments and feelings keep us going. KASHMIR is an integral part of INDIA and will always continue to do so. Thats the truth........
From the article I can gather that 1-David Miliband thinks that terrorism in India will stop only if Kashmir is handed over to Pakistan. He should be educated that it won't be so. What he understands as Kashmir should be clarified. Is it the valley? or is it the entire region of Jammu, Ladakh, Kashmir, Gilgit, Hunja, Baltistan, Dras and Kargil? Where and how many Moslems live? What is their sect?Are Moslems in majority in entire area? David should also be educated that terrorism will not be stopped till state of Israel exists. David should also be educated that expansionist and proselytising religions have been root cause of terror during their entire existence, and will continue to be so. 2-All those pseuds who frequently observe that terrorists have no religion, should clearly come out and say that a dead terrorist's body should not be accorded any religious ritual. It should be destroyed in least expensive manner-WITHOUT any religious ritual. 3-David should also be educated that terror problem in Ireland will continue, unless issue of Northern Ireland is not settled between U.K. and Ireland.
Re: Re: Beware Readers & Rediff
by indranil dhar on Mar 26, 2009 03:15 AM
Mr Shehbaz , why dont to go to where everyone of your biradari goes and lift you a@s high in the sky and pray to the one who has r@ped small children and made them his wives. Why waste time here............
