I really don't know much about Pakistan compared to experts like you .. but I do know that two wrongs do not make a right ..
You talk about Shia , Sunni and what not..and forget Shias Sunnis live peacefully in Saudi , Bahrain , Kuwait , UAE , Oman , Lebanon..all Muslim countries
Pakistan has been ruled by some of the most corrupt leaders on the face of the earth ..and the problems that you see in Pakistan are the result of the corrupt leadership of Pakistan .
Keep in mind - that Pakistan is just one of the 60 odd Mu_slim countries ..
And this debate is about India and Indians ..so where does Pakistan come in .. I did not bring in Nepal an ex-Hin_du Nation where there is permanent turmoil
Re: @ Reply Gangu Teli
by In Search on Jun 12, 2009 01:37 AM
@ jawed
I know about Lebanon somewhat because I was in Israel for my assignments and I also visited Kuwait and UAE but am not a M'lim. Lebanon and Iraq were moderate M'lims unlike Saudi or Iran, including Turkey from EU. I don't know what's happening in Australia w.r.t these Lebanese attacks.
Re: NOT FOR FAINT HEARTED
by jawed on Jun 12, 2009 01:20 AM
Thanks for your interest in Is_lam .
1)Is_lam is based on what is mentioned in Quran ..and not some website or blog .. Is_lam is peaceful because it says worship One God and stay away from idols .. Do not use intermediaries to worship God ..don't let anyone chant verses on your Behalf .. No Dakshinas to fat religious middlemen ..Establish direction relationship with God
"Na tasya pratima asti "There is no image of Him." [Yaj_urv_eda 32:3]
"Shud_hama poap_vidham" "He is bodyless and pure." [Yaj_urv_eda 40:8]
"Andha_tama pra_vish_anti ye asambhuti mupaste" "They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti (created things)." [Yaj_urv_eda 40:9]
2) Pay 2.5 % of wealth every year in charity to the poor( no black marketing , speculation and hoarding )
3) Do not kill female Child
4) Do not ask the brides for dowry ..infact pay them mehr during marriage
5) Do not commit aggression
And if you punish (your oppressors), then punish them with the like of that which you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for the patient ones. (The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 16, Verse 126)
6) Everyone is equal .. A Black slave Bilal RA was given the honour of climbing the Kaaba and calling Mu_slims for prayer when Mecca fell to Mus_lims
Re: Re: Re: NOT FOR FAINT HEARTED
by jawed on Jun 12, 2009 02:40 AM
1) You mentioned Krishna ..so let me quote Bhagwad Gita
"Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan" "There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit." "Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures." [Bhagavad Gita 7:20] I challenge you to produce the word 72 virgins in the Quran
2) So if one corrupt individual who just happens to have a Mus_lim name goes and indulges in corruption - according to your logic - then then entire community is at fault .. So let us extend that logic of yours ..One Brahmin called Nathuram Godsey killed Mahatma Gandhi..so are all Brahmins terrorists and killers
3) Again a generalization .. Mus_lims keep women as slaves ..that is why we have had 3 Mus_lim women presidents/prime minister and one Musl_im Vice president
4) Again your knowledge of Is_lam appears to be poor ..Read the chapter on Divorce on quran ..or listen to Yvonne ridley the femnist British journalist who embraced Is_lam recently talk about women rights in Is_lam .
Re: Re: Re: Re: NOT FOR FAINT HEARTED
by jawed on Jun 12, 2009 02:45 AM
5) Sometimes - the hate filled inside a human being prevents him from telling the truth.
When US has admitted that Afghanistan and Iraq problem was caused to a large extent by neo cons thirst for power - there are some here in India who are still not willing to accept the facts ..
Who created those fighters in Afghanistan to fight soviets ? Who called them freedom fighters and invited them to white house Who talked endlessly about WMD in Iraq ..when Greenspan admitted that it was a war to control oil .
Re: Re: NOT FOR FAINT HEARTED
by vrushali gadekar on Jun 12, 2009 01:47 AM
If the above is from Quran then does it also have the following: 2)Gather wealth from selling huge barrels of oil to other countries at exhorbitant costs and then setup banks and make investors bankrupt 3) Produce lots of children and let them loose without education and increase the population on earth. 4)pay mehr to atleast 4 brides 5)Do not punish ur oppressors but in general everyone in the world irrespective of their relation to you by dumping bombs on them. 6) everyone is equal when you are trying to kill people with suicide missions.
Re: Re: NOT FOR FAINT HEARTED
by root cause on Jun 12, 2009 04:19 AM
you indirectly following vedas which is written in sanskrit i.e you are follwoing hinuzim.. so you r hating your own .. Idol worship is only to imagination of god.. muzzlis are going wrong because they do not worship any rupa/idol.. they can not imagine or feeling.. when you worship durga/lakshmi you feel you r with your mother's love.. i.e idol worship.. you muzzls do not get that feeling.. Hindooz see the godliness from every one like mother/father/guru ..you guys don't understand..
Re: Re: Re: NOT FOR FAINT HEARTED
by jawed on Jun 12, 2009 01:29 AM
Suicide is prohibted in Isl_am .. please check in the Quran
Aggression is prohibited in Quran..Fighting is allowed only in self defence .. And if you punish (your oppressors), then punish them with the like of that which you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for the patient ones. (The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 16, Verse 126)
There is no verse in quran which talks about 72 virgins
Yes Is_lam says worship One God and establish direct relationship with God by kneeling down .. So middlemen required to accept Dakhsinas and get richer and chant verses on someone else's behalf .. Maybe you need to read your own vedas and Bhagwat gita again to understand how many distortions have been done by your religious middlemen..
"Na tasya pratima asti "There is no image of Him." [Yaj_urv_eda 32:3]
"Shud_hama poap_vidham" "He is bodyless and pure." [Yaj_urv_eda 40:8]
"Andha_tama pra_vish_anti ye asambhuti mupaste" "They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti (created things)." [Yaj_urv_eda 40:9]
Re: This is what I said, know who is behind this segregation
by D S on Jun 12, 2009 01:09 AM
East or WEST home in OUR DESH is the best. GET THE DYNASTY OUT, GET BJP-CONGRESS OUT AND MAKE INDIA BETTER.
I THINK THERE IS A CHANGE OF GUARD AT REDIFF SINCE FEBRUARY THIS YEAR. THEY ALSO OWN A LEADING ENGLISH-INDIAN PAPER FROM NEWYORK. SEE THEIR EDITORS,REPORTERS AND WRITTINGS AND YOU WILL KNOW.
Re: This is what I said
by D S on Jun 12, 2009 01:03 AM
WHY IS BIN LADEN IN PAK How could they tolerate the Khalifa shifting to Pakistan when they could not tolerate khalifa in TURKEY or Afganistan!!!!!!
Re: why are you blocking messages that are not vulgar
by D S on Jun 12, 2009 12:56 AM
SEE BELOW HOW THE MESSAGE GET BLOCKED, THERE IS NO BAD LANGUAGE IN THE MESSAGE
