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Where as Indian industry is in doldrums adn workers r retrenched in large numbers !And more workers in even large corporation are working as only Contract employees!The so called indian Indutrilists r not giving them employemnt directly and hence depriving these Indian workers of their better salaries and instead these workers r working as contarct workers and can be kicked out of job any time! And Indians r paying to these very Indutrilists for example =Tata's who took money via Stock market -Rights Issue for Tata Steel -Indian Hotels and Tata Motors !This was to take over corus steel and JLR motors in england!and while taking over JLR had ensured in writing that -NO WORKER WILL BE RETRENCHED FOR NEXT TWO YEARS!In fact Tata's have ensured Job security for english workers of JLR and in India has retrenched workers - and in many cases have given VRS to workers !So when economy world over is in reccession and Indian workers r worst hit Indians as in JLR case ensured English workers JOB SECURITY for next two years!
China would not only survive but come out stronger. Reasons are below
1. China has 2 trillion dolars in cash. All natural resources have fallen off the cliff. There is a fire sale and Chinese companies are cherry picking mines, natural resources at throw away prices 2. China is a manufacturing economy. Yes, their exports would go down for a year or two, but they will encourage natioanl consumption and increase trade with other countires like India, Europe, Russia 3. The present decline in international trade is due to non-availability of 'dollar credit'. Countries have already started working around it and soon 'dollar as a reserve currency' would die its natural death due to stupidity of crooks and greedy politicians who have taken over the USA for the past two decades or so. 4. China has not allowed foreign banks to set their foot on China. This has prevented their currency being manipulated in favor of the interests of western countries. 5. China has learnt its lessons from history and has no desire, plans to destablize its neighbourhood because peaceful neighbours make their country safe
Re: Laughable
by sri on Feb 21, 2009 08:42 PM
You are more confident than the chinese. If you knew anything at all you will know that China is facing major economic woes already. Millions of people have gone back to rural areas after losing their jobs. They are being given monetary help by the govt out of fear that turmoil would result. Serious agitations have already been witnessed according to the NYTimes and other media. China is not as stable as you Chinese make it out to be! Kris, is it???
Re: Re: Laughable
by Kris on Feb 21, 2009 10:14 PM
NY Times? Is that your source of information? The same newspaper which has not written a single word on the plight of ethnic cleansing of 250,000 Kashmiiri Hindus from valley while at the same time glorifying fanatics as freedom fighters. To lie is in their blood. Everything they publish has to be read with heavy dose of skepticism.
Re: Re: Re: Laughable
by mahabodhi on Feb 22, 2009 11:38 AM
@sri It is these Banias who will import heavily in years to come for making money and for these Banias the bckbone of RSS is only Money that counts1these RSS men will never have the guts to fights enemy of the Nation like Pakis and chinese trade too! see Atal Vajpayee was the only PM to visit Pak and bow before the Minar EPakistan nd was stabbed by pakis in kargil at the same time!why he wanted china to trade for his Banis sake in 1978 too! These traders have made indian Industry defunct and r importing heavily as it helps them make easy money!these crooks traders should be elimianted!
Re: Re: Laughable
by XianYe on Feb 22, 2009 12:29 PM
NY Times? So predictable. Do you expect the American propaganda machine to say anything good about China? lol. Yes, millions of migrant workers are returning home after losing low-paid jobs in factories run by those about-to-be-bancrupted western companies. But these people can now tend to the land they left behind for manufacturing jobs. Don't be surprised if China's agricultural output gets a big life upwards this year.
Re: Re: Re: Laughable
by Ravi Dixit on Feb 24, 2009 12:11 PM
Hmm reading your posts makes me wonder if it was China that started the whole "credit crunch" and the "global financial crisis" for their own gains.
Re: Laughable
by Shreyansh on Feb 23, 2009 01:04 PM
@kris .... how can you be so sure of china having no problems .. it is a export oriented country ... dollar is rising ... causing decline in margins etc ... many orders are already cancelled .... in the near time the dollar will depreciate rapidly so the country having dollar reserve are going to be severly affected (including india) .. they cannot increse domestic consumption cause it is a communist state whre they dont have rich ppl to consume ... and as per trade partnership whid india .. already a ban on chinese toys have been imposed .... but i d agree it wont affect them as much as it does to other countries
China is buying up cheap resources all over the world for the future. Chinese stock market is up 30% so far in 2009. China is building a massive high-speed railway network. China is investing hundreds billions of US $ in education, health care and rural areas. China is rapidly modernizing its military. China is on a diplomatic offfensive - our President has visited the Middle East and Africa, Vice President Latin America and Prime Minister Europe, all in the space of 1 month. The US Secretary of State is in Beijing as I type these words. What has India done so far this year? lol....difficult year? Yo wish. And sure...but India will face a much more difficult 2009.
Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by Krishnan Hariharan on Feb 21, 2009 06:15 PM
but u have done a lot... why great men like Buddha, Sankara, Ashtavakra, Shirdi Sai, Gandhiji, Vivekananda have taken birth in Indian soil? just thinking that money and food is not everything... HUMANITY is very important... as long as China supports Pakistan it will be blamed by one and all!!
Re: Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by XianYe on Feb 22, 2009 12:22 PM
I can give you a long list of great Chinese names in history: Confucius, Laotze, Sunzi, Mengzi, Zhuxi, Shimaqian etc.....sound alien to you? I am sure you can find English translations of works written by them 2500 or so years ago. Go to your local libarary. :-) As for works of an older nature...hell...they can also be found in a better libarary.
Re: Re: Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by piri on Feb 23, 2009 12:59 AM
Mr. Xian, err....please do not keep going on about uncomfortable and inconvenient truths for us Indians. You see, we have never been comfortable with the whole story in matters such as this. We would like to parrot out half-truths and would expect our responders not to bring up the less convenient other half !
Re: Re: Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by Krishnan Hariharan on Feb 23, 2009 11:09 AM
Sir you are saying these philosphies are in tandem with Communism? Unfortunately the government has embraced an anti-religious and anti-cultural stance. Which means that the people cannot take credit in heritage. Fortunately we embraced democracy which is rule by people and also did not give up our traditions... in fact all traditions are welcome in this TRUE LAND OF GODLINESS AND HUMANITY!
Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by Krishnan Hariharan on Feb 21, 2009 06:18 PM
Indians are a more accepting, creative, loving, holy and excellent race... see our music, art, Yoga, devotion, temples, food... everything we excel. We are the one of the greatest cultures in the world. One cannot be happy at all times and all places. Bad times are faced by every country. India will rise as the king of humanity and of compassion and acceptance of all lands very soon.
Re: Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by sri on Feb 21, 2009 08:44 PM
Hariharan, stop giving senile responses. Why would the chinese care about your Gandhi-jeeeeee and your Vivekananda. Give facts and figures and go on the offensive. Your response is just whiny and sympathy-seeking which is humiliating!
Re: Re: Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by Krishnan Hariharan on Feb 22, 2009 11:14 AM
dear sir! cultures should evolve to higher human consciousness and culminate in divinity. my intent was to say that indian thought and social fabric promotes it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by piri on Feb 23, 2009 01:02 AM
Yet, all that supposedly elevated consciousness has done precious little to mitigate the most glaring aspect of life in India for the common man - it's all pervading culture of corruption and acceptance of corruption in public life !
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by Krishnan Hariharan on Feb 23, 2009 11:05 AM
Sir the great men did not take birth to alleviate poverty or feed people. You already have hands and a head to do that! They came here to elevate people to God consciousness that is to raise us from finite to the Infinite!
Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by srini on Feb 22, 2009 09:36 AM
To remind you that you forgot to mention the shoe throwing incident on your primier in london.
Re: Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by XianYe on Feb 22, 2009 12:17 PM
Are you suggesting that China is already a power on par with the US? :-) Mind you, Bush got 2 shoes throwed at him? lol.
Re: Re: Re: Oh yes? How about India?
by Guest on Feb 25, 2009 01:38 AM
Krishnan Hariharan YOU ARE CORRECT. The sole goal in this duality filled life is to rise and recognize one's True Nature of the Divine Self from which pervades everything. Only Conciousness which is to be realzied can help alleviate all problems.
chian is not a straight forward country to deal with. any country that treats its own citizens like shit is not good to deal with. china is all a hollow "projected" country. nearly ALL of their actions in growth in every direction had a virtually identical fallout to erase its glory. they have had zero regards for enviroment/ pollution, its own people's well being, basic civil freedom & rights, etc.
moving away from such a totalitarian unit is going to be very difficult, i pity the chinese citizens who are held hostage by a hostile army government which holds the george bush principle of "anyone who isnt with us is an enemy" nevermind that the official line is out of loop with morals, reality, or a shred of fairness. bush was kicked out - in the long run - china will be remembered for its achievements - achieved at great cost to its hapless citizens.
Re: any sane country is wary of china and its hegemonic designs
by piri on Feb 23, 2009 01:05 AM
Vow ! I did not know so far that India treated it's own common citizens like anything other than 'shit' !!
Pak is already China's best friend, Nepal is maoist PM, visited China first, even though we are calling him Indian origin and India is the only easy land route to Nepal. Myanmar is already China's darling, China using Bangladesh as a base to create problem in NE India. Sri Lanka is close to china, since both are buddist, useless Indian Government only killing its own orgin people to make Sinhalese happy, any way they are going to be true to China only.
Now a days being an Indian is most dangerous and if we are not Indian, hope China won't disturb us.
With China, its very difficult to predict which way the wind blows. So, we need to be absolutely careful with them. They have armed Pakistan with nuclear weapons and missile technology and there will be a few in China still asking the question, why is it still not being used.
To deal with this situation, we should stop seeing ourselves as constrained. I must admit at a ground level we will need the communist people of Kerala, Bengal and the Maoist extreme fringe to accept that China does not have answers to India's problems and will not provide any help in solving it.
I guess the same view is there in China and they don't have a fifth column like some of the fringe communists who consider China's founding principles to be anything better than Indian constitution.
We do need the communists to balance out the extreme right wing of financial, communal and social lobbies operating in India. I respect them for their opposition of things like privatization of India's national assets. Had it not been for them, we would have faced a crisis of unimaginable proportions in the bank, small savings and PSUs.
Fundamentally, India can continue to grow more prosperous and overtake China if it allows for social reforms like slowly recasting the feudal cast system into a more democratic institution that allows for people to retain their identities but profess and grow based on their abilities. China does better than India in some respects here.
