AMERICANS ARE BEHAVING LIKE INTERNATIONAL POLICE AND INTERFERING IN ALL MATTERS. Let them first sortout the problem of race discremination and also crumbling finance. Their statements may cnsole some offenders in India who are provocating Hindus.. mind your business and learn how to respect majority feelings.
Re: MIND UR BUSINESS
by Vimala Savarimuthu on Oct 03, 2008 10:07 PM
WHO IS THE REAL HINDU?
Karan Thapar, Hindustan Times August 30, 2008 First Published: 23:19 IST(30/8/2008) Last Updated: 23:59 IST(30/8/2008) Who’s the real Hindu?
Does the VHP have the right to speak for you or I? Do they reflect our views? Do we endorse their behaviour? They call themselves the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, but who says they represent all of us? This Sunday morning, I want to draw a clear line of distinction between them and everyone else. My hunch is many of you will agree.
Let me start with the question of conversion — an issue that greatly exercises the VHP. I imagine there are hundreds of millions of Hindus who are peaceful, tolerant, devoted to their faith, but above all, happy to live alongside Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Jews. If any one of us were to change our faith how does it affect the next man or woman? And even if that happens with inducements, it can only prove that the forsaken faith had a tenuous and shallow hold. So why do the VHP and its unruly storm troopers, the Bajrang Dal, froth at the mouth if you, I or our neighbours convert? What is it to do with them?
Let me put it bluntly, even crudely. If I want to sell my soul — and trade in my present gods for a new lot — why shouldn’t I? Even if the act diminishes me in your eyes, it’s my right to do so. So if thousands or even millions of Dalits, who have been despised and ostracised for generations, choose to become Chris
Most of the funds for church related activities come from western nations why not stop these and tell the church people to not do any conversions forced or willful, can the US do this ?
If you believe that Hinduism is as civilized as yours then please tell all church people to stop conversions in India but they can continue with their other good work of education and service.
Re: Why not tell the christian evangelists to stop conversions ?
by Vimala Savarimuthu on Oct 03, 2008 10:08 PM
WHO IS THE REAL HINDU?
Karan Thapar, Hindustan Times August 30, 2008 First Published: 23:19 IST(30/8/2008) Last Updated: 23:59 IST(30/8/2008) Who’s the real Hindu?
Does the VHP have the right to speak for you or I? Do they reflect our views? Do we endorse their behaviour? They call themselves the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, but who says they represent all of us? This Sunday morning, I want to draw a clear line of distinction between them and everyone else. My hunch is many of you will agree.
Let me start with the question of conversion — an issue that greatly exercises the VHP. I imagine there are hundreds of millions of Hindus who are peaceful, tolerant, devoted to their faith, but above all, happy to live alongside Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Jews. If any one of us were to change our faith how does it affect the next man or woman? And even if that happens with inducements, it can only prove that the forsaken faith had a tenuous and shallow hold. So why do the VHP and its unruly storm troopers, the Bajrang Dal, froth at the mouth if you, I or our neighbours convert? What is it to do with them?
Let me put it bluntly, even crudely. If I want to sell my soul — and trade in my present gods for a new lot — why shouldn’t I? Even if the act diminishes me in your eyes, it’s my right to do so. So if thousands or even millions of Dalits, who have been despised and ostracised for generations, choose to become Chris
India's foreign policy is under toss with our unreliable PM. Yesterday regarding statement given by our PM regarding IRAN's nuclear policy. And today US is direclty involving itself in Indian internal matters.
All of these because of Nu-Unclear treaty with USA.
The best way to fight aginst these is making the hindu as a strong political entity. We are just thinking I am brahmin I am Lingayat i am a jhat or Bhumihar,Marwadi etc... These so called secular idiots use this and make a big split among Us. During excercising your right please vote for people who are protecting Hinduism. You may think that they are not good Administraters but what is the use in supporting aparty who can not hold a country united for 60 years and claims as secular. Save hinduism and save India. Kindly convince atleast 5 people around you on this isssue and let those 5 people convince 5 each. Politicians only understands the launguge of Votes.
Re: Muslim and cristian apleasmet
by Sharad on Sep 30, 2008 01:34 PM
SECULAR word is totally misunderstood.
In the context of Indian constitution, what it means is that INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS WILL NOT BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY based on their religion, and Govt will not favour one religion against the other.
It says: WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens: JUSTICE, social, economic and political; LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation;
If people do not want a SECULAR COUNTRY, they should change it to a HINDU REPUBLIC.
- you can have blasphemy laws like Islamic countries, where you imprison (or stone to death) people for speaking their mind
- you can imprison people for converting to other religion
- and if people use VIOLENCE against others on the basis of religion, you can turn a blind eye to that
INDIA WILL THEN BE REDUCED FROM BEING A GREAT TOLERANT COUNTRY TO A THEOCRATIC STATE LIKE THESE ISLAMIC COUNTRIES.
I don't know how many Indians would like this to happen.
I also believe that Indian laws are not truly secular, it has lots of laws based on religion, appeasing minorities based on religion. What India needs is a UNIFORM CIVIL CODE.
Pls stop denigrating Hindu gods and forced conversions N we also will come and pray in church
The violence against Christians in Karnataka is a reaction to the aggressive propaganda and mindless evangelism of hundreds of foreign-funded, cultic, fundamentalist, fanatic and revivalist Christian groups spread all over the State and elsewhere.
They denigrate Hindu gods and rituals as barbaric. They are the root cause of tension between Christian and Hindu communities. Why should anybody be surprised if the ‘extremists’ among Hindus are offended and react violently?
It is high time leaders of the established mainline churches, known for their erudition, equipoise and empathy, came out in the open and disowned such provocative acts of intolerance of the fundamentalist Christian groups masquerading as real Christians. How can the Christian preachers propagate that their faith is the best in the world without reading what the scriptures of other faiths have to say? My anguish is shared by many. One can make a difference without being preachy.
Re: Please also respect Hindus sentiments and stop forced conversions
by Vimala Savarimuthu on Oct 03, 2008 10:10 PM
WHO IS THE REAL HINDU?
Karan Thapar, Hindustan Times August 30, 2008 First Published: 23:19 IST(30/8/2008) Last Updated: 23:59 IST(30/8/2008) Who’s the real Hindu?
Does the VHP have the right to speak for you or I? Do they reflect our views? Do we endorse their behaviour? They call themselves the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, but who says they represent all of us? This Sunday morning, I want to draw a clear line of distinction between them and everyone else. My hunch is many of you will agree.
Let me start with the question of conversion — an issue that greatly exercises the VHP. I imagine there are hundreds of millions of Hindus who are peaceful, tolerant, devoted to their faith, but above all, happy to live alongside Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Jews. If any one of us were to change our faith how does it affect the next man or woman? And even if that happens with inducements, it can only prove that the forsaken faith had a tenuous and shallow hold. So why do the VHP and its unruly storm troopers, the Bajrang Dal, froth at the mouth if you, I or our neighbours convert? What is it to do with them?
Let me put it bluntly, even crudely. If I want to sell my soul — and trade in my present gods for a new lot — why shouldn’t I? Even if the act diminishes me in your eyes, it’s my right to do so. So if thousands or even millions of Dalits, who have been despised and ostracised for generations, choose to become Chris
This is with reference to a news reports that the American Consul General Andrew T Simkin, along with a team, has met Christian leaders and related groups to “assess the situation” over the recent attacks on churches in the State. Also, a detailed dossier has been reported to have been handed over to the Consul General.
This conduct is most unbecoming of a diplomat and amounts to interference in the internal affairs of another country, which America has made a regular practice of. Who has given him sanction to look into the law and order problems of the State? At the most, he should have restrained himself with a generalised disapproval of the unfortunate happenings. He has clearly overstepped himself. The external affairs ministry should summon the diplomat, retrieve the dossier and lodge a strong protest over his actions.
The entire incident resembles a neighbour poking his nose into a family dispute. The neighbour should be thrown out and the dispute resolved within the confines of the home
We realy feel sorry for the tragedy near temple. But truth is majority of hindu still feel that their wish will be fulfilled by just going to temple. Thats why u see so much crowd which become uncontrolable. We may blame the adminstration failure. why they allow so many people to assemble. But u have to face the reality. they cant do a dam thing when thousands are fanatic want to do thing their own way. they wont listen and obey law or any safety rule. we must face the harsh reality. The essensce of dharma is missing from our worship. What is essence - man ki shudhata, passion for serving humanity. that come with sadhana, meditation, self awarness practice. We dont want to do the hard work. just easy way of going to temple and asking god to give us everything. in my opinion thats not pooja, thats greed. that give bad name to our hindu dharma. - vande mataram.
