THEY have ignored this problem throughout Bharat/Hindustan/India for a very long time...EVEN NOW if they act firmly and decisively they can curb it..otherwise these as yet un-"brainwashed" Muslims will be drawn into the seductive self destructive behavior.
The biggest enemy of Bharat is the vatican implant..a step mother can NEVER feel the pain as that of a birthing/biological mother.
ALL that she wants is the intoxication of power and rob the country for her children.
Till the terrorism phenomenon is NOT stopped and the culprits brought to justice...the Bharat vasis MUST "gharo" the residence of those in office who have not done their jobs for protection of the innocent people.
ALL INDIANS MUST STOP TOLERATING THIS VOTE BANK WAY OF GOVERNANCE.
@ Dear Shivaraman : Good that you quoted some verses .. It would have been better if you would have quoted the right ones and checked their veracity before pasting them .. So atleast we agree that 72 virgins is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran even in the dubious translations that you have quoted .. Now let us start with the verses that you have quoted .. First and foremost ..It is Quran and not Koran .. that itself gives you the clue regarding the quality of translation.. There are 2 major translations of Quran ..One by Yousuf Ali (which is more popular ) and another by Pickthall
And I am going to give you the right verses and their translations so that next time you paste the right verses and also check the source from which you have pasted ..
Quran 78:31 - The first verse that you have quoted does not say anything about virgins :
This is what the verse says ( Kindly send a mail to the people who have given those verses to you so that they can do their homework)
Abdullah Yusuf Ali : Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires;
Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall: Lo! for the duteous is achievement
Now the second verse where Quran describes the award of the righteous:
Quran 37:48 And besides them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes (of wonder and beauty).
Please check the meaning of chastity ..and didn't really understand what is the issue here ?? Ever heard of "Apsaras" in hv
Re: 72 Virgins Myth exposed
by jawed on Oct 07, 2008 11:24 PM
contd : Then you brought up Quran 44:54 .. So this is the translation again for your benefit ..It talks about the awards that await the righteous who follow truth and stay away from falsehood .. Refer to Quran 44:51 : As to the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security 44.52 : Among Gardens and Springs
44.53 :Dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade, they will face each other
and then the "supposedly killer punch" 44.54 Abdullah Yusuf Ali: So; and We shall join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes.
44.54 Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall Even so (it will be). And We shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.
So where does it say ? 72 virgins ?? This is the reward for the righteous who do good .. Is getting married such an evil thing ?? If so then I have no argument to make ..
Re: 72 Virgins Myth exposed
by Proud Hindustani on Oct 15, 2008 08:34 PM
watch fitna.com and find out the exact and accurate verses in the Koran. The ENTIRE non muslim world is forewarned.
Strange, people doesn't know their religion well, but they are always ready to abuse and find fault in others' religion. If you are true followers then look within, are you hate free? Do you have love in your heart. If you have hate in your heart then how your God can live in you?
Re: Strange religious fanatics
by jawed on Oct 07, 2008 11:01 PM
@ Dear Shivaraman : Good that you quoted some verses .. It would have been better if you would have quoted the right ones and checked their veracity before pasting them .. So atleast we agree that 72 virgins is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran even in the dubious translations that you have quoted .. Now let us start with the verses that you have quoted .. First and foremost ..It is Quran and not Koran .. that itself gives you the clue regarding the quality of translation.. There are 2 major translations of Quran ..One by Yousuf Ali (which is more popular ) and another by Pickthall
And I am going to give you the right verses and their translations so that next time you paste the right verses and also check the source from which you have pasted ..
Quran 78:31 - The first verse that you have quoted does not say anything about virgins :
This is what the verse says ( Kindly send a mail to the people who have given those verses to you so that they can do their homework)
Abdullah Yusuf Ali : Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires;
Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall: Lo! for the duteous is achievement
Now the second verse where Quran describes the award of the righteous:
Quran 37:48 And besides them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes (of wonder and beauty).
Please check the meaning of chastity ..and didn't really understand what is the issue here ?? Ever heard of "Apsaras" in hv
Re: Strange religious fanatics
by jawed on Oct 07, 2008 11:25 PM
contd : Then you brought up Quran 44:54 .. So this is the translation again for your benefit ..It talks about the awards that await the righteous who follow truth and stay away from falsehood .. Refer to Quran 44:51 : As to the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security 44.52 : Among Gardens and Springs
44.53 :Dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade, they will face each other
and then the "supposedly killer punch" 44.54 Abdullah Yusuf Ali: So; and We shall join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes.
44.54 Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall Even so (it will be). And We shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.
So where does it say ? 72 virgins ?? This is the reward for the righteous who do good .. Is getting married such an evil thing ?? If so then I have no argument to make ..
Hindus: Who cares, what cops are doing. Muslims: It's all false propaganda. Cops are trying to malign Islam. Human Rights: Cops are implicating innocents, they must release them. Christians: How can other be better and smart than us? We invented the internet, Wi-Fi, what if we ask West to stop providing this to Indians.
True Indian: Justice for all. Unity, we will survive, divide somebody will make us slave again.
In Times of India.. it is stated that Mohammed Mansoor Asghar Peerbhoy works for Yahoo Inc earning 19 lakhs/annum.... I wonder why? why? ... he went for blasts... MNCs will no more recruit any muslims because they will turn up planting bombs in the office premises itself....
All these 15 people were planning to blast on Oct 4th and 26th(Diwali)... in Mumbai itseems... disgusting... what's the whole point doing this?????
Hey Jawed , Please Shut up .And wake up.Look around you. I have only one thing to say . Those who live by sword die by sword.So please grow up . And your name suggests how much hatred you guys have for hindus , that you have designed your names in such way .JAAA...VED. NAA VED .I think hindus should also design names such as...MaarMohammed, Jaquran ,...check out my surname Khanvilkar....may be i should rename KHAN KILL KAR
Re: TO JAWED
by jawed on Oct 07, 2008 11:11 PM
I do not have any hatred againt anyone ..most of my best friends are Hindus .. I am just asking you to read your own scriptures and other scriptures that tells you to worship One God and stay away from idol worship .. I do not see any hatred here ..but I am sorry if you are hurt in anyway.. Jawed is my name ..can't really change that ..and I love Hindus / christians /muslims /sikhs .. everyone
Re: These animals doesn't have any effect of education on them
by adrgdr on Oct 07, 2008 11:01 AM
Qu javed mia, bolti bandh hogaya or are u too trying to look for 72 virgins. Guy one more secret. It is actually a type and it is not 72 virgins but one 72 year old virgin. ANy way as these guys will not have anydicks as they get blasted, they do not need it very much
Re: Re: These animals doesn't have any effect of education on them
by jawed on Oct 07, 2008 10:53 PM
Sorry to disappoint you but you are so steeped in falsehood and darkness that you cannot read what is being posted ..Where did you get the 72 virgin figure from ?? You are living in falsehood and shall die in falsehood if you do not open your eyes and realise that your God is One ...just as you have one biological father and one mother .. do not worship things that you have made with your own hand ..and then dump them into the sea .. Forget about religion ..this is common sense .. and yes bolti band nahee hui ..balkey ab shuru huee hai bhaijaan .. I have exposed the falsehood that were supposedly posted from "Koran " .. Where is 72 figure mentioned in the Quran ??
Re: Re: Re: These animals doesn't have any effect of education on them
by jawed on Oct 07, 2008 10:54 PM
"Na tasya pratima asti "There is no image of Him." [Yajurveda 32:3]
"Shudhama poapvidham" "He is bodyless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8]
"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste" "They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti (created things)." [Yajurveda 40:9]
Re: Re: These animals doesn't have any effect of education on them
by jawed on Oct 07, 2008 10:47 PM
@ Dear Shivaraman : Good that you quoted some verses .. It would have been better if you would have quoted the right ones and checked their veracity before pasting them .. So atleast we agree that 72 virgins is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran even in the dubious translations that you have quoted .. Now let us start with the verses that you have quoted .. First and foremost ..It is Quran and not Koran .. that itself gives you the clue regarding the quality of translation.. There are 2 major translations of Quran ..One by Yousuf Ali (which is more popular ) and another by Pickthall And I am going to give you the right verses and their translations so that next time you paste the right verses and also check the source from which you have pasted ..
Quran 78:31 - The first verse that you have quoted does not say anything about virgins :
This is what the verse actual says ( Kindly send a mail to the people who have given those verses to you so that they can do their homework)
Abdullah Yusuf Ali : Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires;
Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall: Lo! for the duteous is achievement
Now the second verse where Quran describes the award of the righteous:
Quran 37:48 And besides them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes (of wonder and beauty).
Please check the meaning of chastity ..and didn't really understand what is the issue here ?? Ever heard of "Apsaras"
Re: Re: Re: These animals doesn't have any effect of education on them
by jawed on Oct 07, 2008 11:25 PM
contd : Then you brought up Quran 44:54 .. So this is the translation again for your benefit ..It talks about the awards that await the righteous who follow truth and stay away from falsehood .. Refer to Quran 44:51 : As to the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security 44.52 : Among Gardens and Springs
44.53 :Dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade, they will face each other
and then the "supposedly killer punch" 44.54 Abdullah Yusuf Ali: So; and We shall join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes.
44.54 Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall Even so (it will be). And We shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.
So where does it say ? 72 virgins ?? This is the reward for the righteous who do good .. Is getting married such an evil thing ?? If so then I have no argument to make ..
Re: Re: These animals doesn't have any effect of education on them
by adrgdr on Oct 07, 2008 11:07 AM
According to scriptures, God is both transcendent and immanent, as well as omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. By giving it one single name or form we are only delimiting its omnipresence and transcendence. No name or form will exclusively describe it. By that very reason, say the vedas, all names and forms suit it. This is the thin end of the wedge. In other words, the totality of things that are perceptible in the universe is permeated by God. Everything is divine. Divinity is inherent in everything that we see, smell, hear, touch or feel. In fact it is in every one of us. It is this inseparable unity of the material and the spiritual world that constitutes the foundation of Indian culture and that is what determines the whole character of Indian social ideals. There is no reference to worship of idols in the Vedas. The Puranas and the Agamas give descriptions of idol-worship both in the houses and in the temples. Idol-worship is not peculiar to Hinduism. Christians worship the Cross. They have the image of the Cross in their mind. The Mohammedans keep the image of the Kaba stone when they kneel and do prayers. The people of the whole world, save a few Yogis and Vedantins, are all worshippers of idols. They keep some image or the other in the mind.
The mental image also is a form of idol. The difference is not one of kind, but only one of degree. All worshippers, however intellectual they may be, generate a form in the mind and make the mind dwell on that image.
Re: Re: Re: These animals doesn't have any effect of education on them
by jawed on Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
Hats off to your knowledge about Islam .. According to you - Muslims keep image of Kaaba stone in front of them while praying.. Well come all I can say is come out of your falsehood and ignorance before the time is up ..Read Quran and your own Scriptures and for that matter any other scripture to find the truth yourself .. You will that your Vedas taught you to worship One God and prohibited you from idol worship .. So you either say that the vedas are absolutely false and that you and your forefathers have come up with Customised hindusim ..which tells you to make an idol ..worship it and then throw it in the sea .. Does it make any sense ??
Re: Re: Re: Re: These animals doesn't have any effect of education on them
by jawed on Oct 08, 2008 01:05 AM
"Believers, uphold justice. Always bear true witness, even if it be against yourself, your parents, or your relatives and regardless of whether the person against whom you are speaking is rich or poor. God is close to people regardless of their material circumstances. Do not be led by emotion, as this may cause you to swerve from the truth. If you distort your testimony, or refuse to testify, remember that God is aware of all your actions." The Holy Quran, Chapter 4, Verse 135
