RE:Not much an issue, Mr Advani?
by Sadhan Pande on Jul 25, 2008 04:42 PM
Your corrupt brain thinks everyone to be a corrupted person? Everyone is a rapist of his one year old daughter as we heard the other day? Corruption was cultivated by congress and particularly NEHRU! So my indian friend learn values!
It is my sincere wish to punish those who were involved in Money Giving to 3 MP's of Lok Sabha.But they should also not to be spared who got that money ,reasons as follows: 1.They were expecting prevailing rates in market i.e Rs 25 crore (as per Mr Bradhan).But they got less and changed their mind.These are veryclever MP's. 2.They deningrated Lok Sabha by bringing money concealed bags very serious issue.Today it was money tommorrow they can bring RDX (AS & WHEN THEY ANTICIPATE ANY BLAST). 3.Instead of approaching Speaker in his chamber they made mockery of Lok Sabha by displaying notes on benches(most sacred place). 4.Their past must be got verififed to substantiate their claim. 5.If tapes are genuine then allright otherwise severe punishment for doctring. I have high hopes on our greatest Speaker Mr Som Nath Chatterjee that he will bring truth on the surface.
The case will go on till 2050 and by the time Amar singh will be long gone from this world so will the three MPs , Advani and the likes. Make it a big political issue (these guys did a good job taking out bundkles in parliment) and finish amar singh/ mulayam singh duo politically
What happened in the case of PVN being bailed out by JMM MPs? They were also caught with cash which was a direct fall out of their support to PVN in trust vote. One MP even admitted to it.
Those MPs are free and elected again, thanks to flaws in our rules and uneducated or dumb voters, and they were again involved in a new deal this time.
Corruption is a fact in India and elsewhere. We can only shout or post messages. Those who want to make money are doing so, without any punishment by the courts or by the public in elections.
We may choose the least corrupt of all, rather than trying to find the 100% honest politician. Because no politician is 100% honest.
RE:Wated effort, sham investigations, waste of tax payers money...
by All Right on Jul 25, 2008 01:49 PM
Good points. But the problem in choosing the least corrupt is that: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
RE:Wated effort, sham investigations, waste of tax payers money...
by Demo-crazy on Jul 25, 2008 02:44 PM
How can we then get rid of it? A communist country like China has death penalty for corruption, but the political bosses never get punished. USA too has stringent laws - again we hardly see any politician getting punished. But I understand from friends that the lower rungs of official machinery are reasonably honest in USA.
In India the scene is bad from top to bottom. Politicians spend unaccounted money, generate unaccounted money, industrialists, citizens, employees all pay for getting work done at various levels. Even in courts you have to pay get things done - simple things like getting a copy of the order passed costs money - otherwise there are delays, files misplaced, etc. The rules are structured to benefit the guilty or are conducive for corruption.
That is why I say, there are no easy solutions. One solution - summary trial in 3 months, no chance of appeal (or, only one level of appeal), if proved guilty confiscate all moveable, immoveable assets, confiscate PF, pension, etc, send to prison for hard labour for 12 years with NO parole. But, NO political party will ever bring such rules into force.
These Indian communists know only how to pull down governments, not to sustain, break alliances, obstruct industrial productiion thru frequent strikes and not know how to raise labor productivity, how to make rich poorer and not how to make porrer as richer; because they know very well when the poor will become richer they will desert communism and only as long as there are people wanting something they would fight under communist banners.Hence communists interest to perpetuate poverty and also aided by government freebies to poor making virtue of poverty and discouraging the poor's efforts to stand on their own.Now and then the government and the communists will throw bread crumbs to the poor and will never show the way how the poor can earn their livelihood on their own soon. It is easy to give alms to the poor but takes intelligent brains, honesty and sustained efforts to raise their standards thru literacy,education,health and capital aid and at the same time weaning them away from liquor, tobacco, drugs so that government's aid from tax payers hard earned money is not wasted in these vices.Did any government ever qualify its aid to the poor except fixing an income limit?
RE:About Indian communism
by Anil on Jul 25, 2008 01:38 PM
Rajanbhai. First you read the article and if you do not understand the same then ask somebody. When asking for the rate of oil, why you are giving the rate of rice.
RE:About Indian communism
by Amit Sen on Jul 25, 2008 01:41 PM
Thi dull-head is using an article on bribe given to lagislatures to malign communidsts. Does he not notice that it was only the communist MPs who were above this taint ?
I am now learning lot of politics by reading and watching television. I think if I am able to clock 200 hrs of watching these guys I will be fit to fight elections.....guys be ready to contribute to my vote bank in the next election. Also have started thinking like a politician. Cong and BJP planned out the drama by dragging Amarji (salute him for Relationship Mgt) into the whole picture. Now Cong has the present and BJP the future. Amarji thought of getting the edge but got stuck in Cong's game. If they want more...Somnath da will help to reveal their face....main bhi politics samajhne laga.
RE:Conspiracy
by Srinivas vishnu on Jul 25, 2008 01:36 PM
Not yet lame duck! You had not yet completely mastered Indian Politics. If you did, you would not be asking for my vote, but bribing and buying my vote ;)
BJP must realize that unless they come out with solid development plans for the nation, this Rama and drama issues are not gonna help them in next elections at least. Temple issue is being raised always just before elections to gain votes but where is the 'Ram Mandir' in Ayodhya. Each hindu has a Ram temple at his home and worships it. Thats all n sufficient. There is no need to show further muscle power. MMS is proving to be smarter than Advani Ji every time. Even BJP MPs are not supporting them in the parliament. Corruption in politics seems to be taken forgranted by the people in this country. Now only focus is if any party can taken India to fast track of development that is sufficient. Even if that party is corrupt, it is acceptable. Only the development results will matter.
And if some party, even after being damn honest (money-wise) cannot control riots, terrorism, overpopulation, illiteracy and poverty and just asks for votes in the name of Rama and honesty, people will just feel sad for it and vote others. The people of India are maturing n thats a good sign for democracy.
RE:'Rama' & 'Drama' cannot help BJP now!
by All Right on Jul 25, 2008 01:30 PM
Singh:
:) What good suggestions... but to which party?... The party which did all you expected it to do on development front, and got booted out just becoz it didn't put together the right amount of either Rama or Drama....
My worry is that BJP will gradually get driven back to the 1991 timeframe... since they're not gonna win any more seats becoz of development plank, as the electorate of the country has demonstrated so amply... :-)
RE:'Rama' & 'Drama' cannot help BJP now!
by Jai Prakash Singh on Jul 25, 2008 01:38 PM
Even I who have been a hard core BJP supporter and always voted it am feeling like voting Congress in the coming elections. As there is nothing new in BJP agenda.
RE:'Rama' & 'Drama' cannot help BJP now!
by Radha Krishnan on Jul 25, 2008 01:33 PM
Dear JP, Poor Rama also failed to save the BJP in this time. Now they have to find out other god. As you said they will come out with a new god issue just before the election.
RE:'Rama' & 'Drama' cannot help BJP now!
by All Right on Jul 25, 2008 01:39 PM
:) Radha Krishnan: Names of two gods together, still under a misconcpetion... :-)
Tell me Sir, which elections did BJP come out with a new god issue to get votes?... :-) K'taka? No. Gujarat? No. (in fact it was the Congress which was busy labelling "Maut Ke Saudagar" type vitriol which obviously highly improved the overall atmosphere.. :-) 2004 General Elections? No.
So WHEN did BJP raise the God's platform?.. I think it is people like you who'd finally make them go back to their 1991 ways, coz they won't feel there are any takers for sane thoughts in this country...
They's either see people idolising "Gandhis" or people idolising "Ram".... there is ab-so-lute-ly no takers for Development, Secuarlism (which neither Congress nor you understand I'm sure, beyond Hindu bashing), All encompassing thought process, and a Uniform development program for every Indian citizen to arrest the lopsided religion based discussions going on currently.
But anyway, it's for people like you and me to decide, and my only worry is that we'll make them do exactly what everybody hates them see doing...
RE:'Rama' & 'Drama' cannot help BJP now!
by Akshay Veer on Jul 25, 2008 02:40 PM
Mr. All Right, do you know corers of other religion people scaring and feeling unsecure to live in BJP ruling. is it safe for our nation? It is shame for us. I didn't find any good reason to vote BJP. recently the SIva Sena raised Taj Mahal issue, The BJP & its allies again try to come on power by demolishing and killing the innocent people.
RE:'Rama' & 'Drama' cannot help BJP now!
by Jai Singh on Jul 25, 2008 02:03 PM
Thats exactly I am trying to suggest BJP. Come to right track of the "Nation's development" rather than this 'corruption' issues alone. as any citizen knows that 99% politicians of any party are corrupt as per the standard definitions. But here again, what is corruption. I have seen many politicians grabbing money but helping the people of their region (who vote them) from many angles as they have to get their votes next time. So is not corruption a leader's professional requirment. I am not supporting corruption but don't you expect a politician to help people and if so from where he will bring money for all that. So, unless we make some good n fair arrangements, corruption in our definitions will not be corruption in a politician's definition. We are the educated class are not corrupt but how many poor n needy people do we help actually. All we say that it is either government's job or a politician's job.And when politicians do the same out of the way, we call them corrupt.
