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Frist Lsat
DON'T matter if left goes:
by Frist Lsat on Jul 08, 2008 02:41 AM

congress will rule at center,
coz they managed to get mula-yam's support.

so the nuke deal will be signed by mms,
despite full-throated cries from the entire nation, to stop this fraud-deal.

this is a game being played by commies, congi and mulayam, to defraud us, the people of india.

and defraud us of what??
- it will take us and our children, the next 250 years to pay off the massive nuke-deal, which

will cost about 2000 (read thousand) billion USD.

what a joke!
even our entire forex reserve is about 200 (read hundred) only!


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Vijay Gopalakrishnan
About Left withdrawl
by Vijay Gopalakrishnan on Jul 07, 2008 11:58 PM  | Hide replies

Left withdrawl from the govt. should happen. US objected the pipeline deal with Iran. We need a pipeline deal with Iran. We can't allow US to take control of India. This is absolutely right. We should not ignore Russia. Russia is our friend not US. US has always sampathy over Pak. Our ties with Russia should remain in place. We shouldn't go ahead with this deal at all. Inflation is growing day by day. We should stop inflation. Price of commodities are gone up so high because of bad economic policies. Many farmers are dying each and every day. This should be stopped. UPA govt. is the wrost in all. That's all about now..

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nickel biswas
RE:About Left withdrawl
by nickel biswas on Jul 08, 2008 01:26 AM
If you support Russia then you should be for this deal too as Russia also will not sell us any nuclear fuel without this deal.

Also, how does this deal increase inflation? If anything it will reduce inflation by reducing the clost of energy. The high cost of oil (thanks to your Arabian and Iranian buddies) is responsible for the high inflation, why don't you criticize them instead?

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muthu
Fate of Nuclear Power
by muthu on Jul 07, 2008 11:53 PM

Eastern enthusiasm for nuclear power has caused some friction with the West. For example, Austrians have tried unsuccessfully to force the Czech Republic to shut down its Temelin nuclear plant, 40 miles from the Austrian border, on safety grounds, and the plant may become an issue in the talks over Czech membership in the European Union.
Nuclear industry officials say the new plants being built in Eastern Europe are vastly improved over Chernobyl both in terms of safety and efficiency. But no matter how well designed a nuclear power plant may be, environmentalists say, it still produces waste -- 25 to 30 tons of high-level waste a year for a large plant, and a good deal more low-level waste.
''They give us the choice between plague or cholera -- either global warming or nuclear waste,'' said Michaele Hustedt, a spokeswoman for the Green Party in Germany


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muthu
Fate of Nuclear Power in UK & US
by muthu on Jul 07, 2008 11:52 PM  | Hide replies

Analysts say there are lessons to be learned from Britain, where the first nuclear plant to supply substantial amounts of electricity to a national grid opened in 1956. Since then the country's nuclear industry has run into deep trouble.

In June, British Energy, owner of eight of Britain's plants and part of the Three Mile Island plant in Pennsylvania, said it would take a $7 billion write-down for the 2002 fiscal year, mainly to cover costs from decommissioning its older nuclear plants.

''I don't think we're going to see anyone in Britain making a commitment to nuclear in the foreseeable future, because of what happened at British Energy,'' said Fraser McLaren, an analyst at ING in Edinburgh. The country's nuclear waste reprocessing industry is also on the brink of being shut because of safety concerns.
In the United States, the nuclear industry tried to ally itself with environmentalists in the 1990's, with little success. Claims in a 1998 ad campaign that nuclear power made electricity without polluting or damaging the environment drew criticism and were found to be unsubstantiated by the Federal Trade Commission.

No nuclear plants have been started in America since the near-meltdown at Three Mile Island in 1979, but there, too, several power companies have said they are considering proposals to build new reactors.
Austria and Denmark have forsworn any use of nuclear energy.
Eastern enthusiasm for nuclear power has caused some friction with the West. For example, Aust

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imran patel
RE:Fate of Nuclear Power in UK & US
by imran patel on Jul 07, 2008 11:54 PM
There is no such thing as environmental friendly energy...

Solar and wind are far away from meeting our needs...

We need energy today...now !!!

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muthu
After Heat Wave, Europe Gives Nuclear Power a Second Look
by muthu on Jul 07, 2008 11:46 PM

As Europe cools off from a summer heat wave that pushed its power plants to the limit, the nuclear industry is trying to seize a rare opportunity to rehabilitate its reputation and attract new investment.

Nuclear operators have been near-pariahs throughout much of the developed world since the Chernobyl disaster in 1986, especially in Europe. No new reactors have been built in Western Europe since then, and several countries have declared themselves forever nuclear-free, including Italy, which shut the plants it had already built.

The industry has survived only because countries like Germany and France are already too heavily dependent on nuclear energy to scrap it. Even so, operators have tended to keep their profile as low as possible.

Now, Europe has bumped up against the limits of its existing power supply, and the Continent faces tough choices about energy.

The torrid summer of 2003 and the deaths and illnesses it caused, particularly in countries like France, where air-conditioning is relatively uncommon, have prompted industry analysts to forecast sharp growth in electricity use.

But there are a host of constraints on the expansion of the power supply. Also, the European heat wave exposed a previously overlooked vulnerability: the rivers that supply the water used to cool many of the Continent's nuclear plants warmed up so much that plant managers had to choose between cutting back power output or releasing damagingly hot water back into the rivers.France depends

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Gopal
It is immaterial what others think of us, if we decide that something is not good for us
by Gopal on Jul 07, 2008 11:28 PM  | Hide replies

Finally MMS has decided to go ahead with the deal. He has satisfied his ego. It is not democratic. The LEFT and BJP did not use their opportunity to expose the deal during the debate in the Parliament. They took a lenient stand allowing MMS to go to IAEA for negotiation. A serious omission they committed!! Now MMS keeps the negotiated draft document -IAEA-confidential. Is it democratic? Why is he keeping it away from the people?
India has planned to install 6800MW of nuclear plants in the next ten years (3%). It will cost around Rs20/- per unit by 2020 by which time we commission the plants. If it does not keep the time schedule it may go higher. The Uranium deposit world over will finish by 2070. As time pass the cost of the scarce Uranium will be exorbitantly high. We have in India Thorium deposit 60% of world total which will last for 300 years. So we must develop technology for Thorium-based nuclear projects. That is visualized by Dr. APJ. Abdul Kalam. He wishes to have energy independence and not energy security. The Govt is silent about the status of the technology of Thorium based nuclear plants. Why not they tell the people about the status? Why the scientific community silent on that?
The leaders will be remembered depending upon the result of their actions. Where is the place for Gorbechev now who was praised as the messiah of USSR in early nineties. It disintegrated later. Now they are fighting each other.
Every country works for its interest. If US persuade Ind

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krishna swamy
RE:It is immaterial what others think of us, if we decide that something is not good for us
by krishna swamy on Jul 08, 2008 12:23 AM
it is true that every country works for its interst. but let us admit one fact indians are biggest benificiaries of the US liberal policy which lets us lern work and live and earn in US and bring back technology and money when ever it suits us. we are using every type of innovation and improving upon it and moreover virtually lording over it after taking it over from the americans. From Motel to Potels, their silcon valley whoich we finally banglored, their automobile industry which we now have mastered, their Pharmaceutical industry which we are slowly taking over, their steel industry world wide, now even their large petroleum gaints are finding it difficult to ignore our petroleum companies seeking colabration, their agriculture, research , medicene you name it they have india and indian every opportunity he seeked without discrimnation and to many extent evern appreciating our contribution. only some Ungrateful freaks like the reds or misinformed like many here can run down the US. Yes their Military initialy leaned against us. Now they have realised our strenght and want to collabrate with us. let us encash on the goodwill and build a strong prosperous India. and not slaughter the opportunity and drench the country red with mindless criticism


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Pradip Parekh
RE:It is immaterial what others think of us, if we decide that something is not good for us
by Pradip Parekh on Jul 08, 2008 06:27 AM
kishna swami ji, very good post and i agree with you 100pct without reservation. but, my friend, that is not the point at all. the point is that it is not smart to not realize that when a deal is not right for india at its fundamental level it must be rejected. there are elelments within usa who will get int he way of us-india co-operation and if they have a legal means (like hyde act) to throw barricades, rest assured it will happen. india can make a good deal, and so can usa. let's not have bomb throwers behind the hyde act sabotage the deal. u.s. govt needs to clarify itself on hyde act being irrelevant; so far, the u.s. govt has stood by the hyde act. the fact is india being in a terribly hostile neighborhood can not afford to be not vigilant.

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Gopal
RE:It is immaterial what others think of us, if we decide that something is not good for us
by Gopal on Jul 07, 2008 11:30 PM
Every country works for its interest. If US persuade India to sign the deal I don't find anything wrong with them. Read rediff 'It is immaterial what others think of us, if we decide that something is not good for us'. specials.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/03sld01

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Hate Who divides
RE:It is immaterial what others think of us, if we decide that something is not good for us
by Hate Who divides on Jul 07, 2008 11:46 PM
Dont worry Congress govt had atopped Missile project Surya ICBM which can hit US also to impress west

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Hate Who divides
RE:RE:It is immaterial what others think of us, if we decide that something is not good for us
by Hate Who divides on Jul 07, 2008 11:47 PM
*Stopped

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muthu
Some Hope is there
by muthu on Jul 07, 2008 11:22 PM  | Hide replies

At last we have people who have national interest who should be a guiding force in future too. Here in India we have a lame duck Prime Minister, running like a slave behind a lame duck President Bush enacting comedy scenes. NAM, Panchasheel and all the legendary Indian foreign policies have been buried by successive BJP -CONG governments. The whole of US and Europe is shutting all its Nuclear Plants and at the same time outsourcing its reactors to the third world.Developed countries want to sell out their nuclear industry junk to countries like India. US is openly cautioning India against signing the Iran pipe line deal. This is bending of our foreign policy by an outside force. Let us not bow to these hooligans. There are enough nuclear bombs to ruin life in this planet. We need no more nuclear bombs. we need no more nuclear reactors.

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imran patel
RE:Some Hope is there
by imran patel on Jul 07, 2008 11:28 PM
Muthu are you on Drugs ?

70% of French energy is Nuclear.

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muthu
RE:Some Hope is there
by muthu on Jul 07, 2008 11:36 PM
Only 14% of the world is dependent on Nuclear energy. Imran do u hold a French passport or are u with ur laptop in a Pub. Enough of forests drowned in the name of Dams and development. Enough of accidents in the name of Nuclear around the globe.

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imran patel
RE:Some Hope is there
by imran patel on Jul 07, 2008 11:47 PM
Is burning candles you solution to address the energy challenges that we face as a nation ?

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Gopal
RE:Some Hope is there
by Gopal on Jul 07, 2008 11:32 PM
Good thoughts

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Gopal
RE:Some Hope is there
by Gopal on Jul 07, 2008 11:52 PM
Good thought muthu!
Mr.McCain offered US 100 nuclear plants. This public announcement is just for the information of India to make India feel that they are for nuclear projects in US. The truth is that present nuclear plants in US are nearing its projected life and are due for 'decommissioning'. They are seriously looking for locations where the old 'junks' could be dumped. Very soon we will see these junks in Indian soil as second hand machineries. India has a Law allowing import of second hand machineries. The ENVIRONMENTALISTS world-over are against the dumping of nuclear waste any where. Rules are enunciated by all most all countries and UN regarding the movement and disposal of nuclear waste.

Can anyone help with details of nuclear projects in 'the pipe-line' in US?

It may be helpful if the details of countries which are against further nuclear plants. Can anyone help?


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muthu
RE:Some Hope is there
by muthu on Jul 08, 2008 12:26 AM
read posts above by me
      Fate of Nuclear Power
      Fate of Nuclear Power in UK & US
After Heat Wave, Europe Gives Nuclear Power a Second Look



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krishna swamy
RE:Some Hope is there
by krishna swamy on Jul 08, 2008 12:34 AM
do you think indian are arseholes who cant make out ajunk from the latest in technology. we need access to technology we can never be forever depended upon any one for leadership we will get access to technology that is near 50 years ahead of us and our govt run reseach laboratories. we dont lack knowledge but we are racing against time we need the latest techn ology to start with so that we can innovate further and master the product rather spend another 50 years just reinventing the wheel. and most important this technology needs to u nversally availiable so that more poeple can apply their minds and develop furhter rather a bunch of govt funded so called scientist with doubtful qualification. Remember the IT techn ology we mastered and are lording over becasue the govt did not even understand what the IT geeks were upto before we arrived on the world scene. so dont worry gopal we are indians if the world supplies us washing machines we will also use them to make lassi. We are after all masters of JUGGAD.

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Diptiman Chanda
Left withdrawing support
by Diptiman Chanda on Jul 07, 2008 11:21 PM

Anything GOI does, the left opposes. Now on GOI should say the opposites to have their yes on deals.

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