1) Follow all colorful gods 2) Imaginations are reality 3) Sentiments and infatuation is truth of life 4) Believe in Mythological Vimanas & Ammunition Agni Baan , (though we need collob with Suzuki & Bofors),
even vedas devised many techy things million years ago.But hindus still use bullock carts. 5) No questions required for sentiments. 6) Sacrfice Animals to make god and goddess happy. 7) All gods can marry many times , their private life becomes sacred for believers 8) Casteism is must, Only who born from brahma's head are superior, rest must serve them. 9) Any number of gods can be created, reincarnated and manifested even with wood, rope etc. 10) Women , Shudras are biggest threat to Hinduism 11) Shudras not allowed in temple. 12) Must make all the gods drink milk 13) Offering pedas, laddus will bring good luck, can get lottery or gain laxmi in job / business. 14) Never make any god angry. 15) Agree to brahmins, even if they lie it is god's word must be agreed to. 16) believe in Ram flyover 17M years ago 17) believe in Ram flyover 5114 bce ago. 18) believe that Sanskrit and hinduism is 17 M years old. 19) Indus valley history belonged to Aryans, though they never existed before 3K years here. 20) Any good people on earth is either avatar of Vishnu or Brahma. 21) Claim anything good as part of hinduism (using Vedic paint brush) 22) All the religions in the world are offshoot of hinduism though it was named by foreigners 200 years ago.
May be instead of arguing that its Hindu's belief that its Ram Sethu, lets argue that it is Adam's bridge ......
In India where there is no respect for Hindu values and the rights of minorities are protected at any cost, the arguement that its Adam's bridge will help protect the Ram Sethu....also DMK and the Stupid Commies will have to back-up....
If its a question of Adam its the question of the baisic fundementals of Islam and Christianity and the hell will break loose.....
RE:Its also Adam's Bridge
by Kris iyer on Apr 26, 2008 10:26 PM
Uday, Your idea may just work. We need to get some senior Christian Priests and a few muslim mullahs with very long beards and grave eyes to say: "This Adams Bridge has religious significance for us. An Angel came to India via this bridge to establish the first christian and Islamic families here." I think it is a super idea.
"Worship" is a difficult word. We don't "worship" Taj Mahel but we won't permit any damage to it. We do not worship "Mt. Everest" but will not allow any damage to it. Sri Subramaniam Swamy, would be on firmer ground to say, 1) "Ram Sethu is a cultural, historical and natural relic. No straight bridge-like formation of this kind exists anywhere else in this world. It is an "antique" associated with a great, very great, cultural icon of Hindus - The Ever Green RAMAYAN. 2) In any case, the case for building this Ram Sethu is weak: From a commercial angle, from a technical angle, market angle, security angle and the tsunami angle. 3) The only positive angle that some may see in it - two-legged rats can feed off the project and fatten themselves very nicely - Thank You.
RE:The S.Ct and Ram Sethu
by Mr Pundit on May 02, 2008 10:04 AM
two ramayans contradict each other, so which one is correct. If you go by correct one, Ram was a normal man, who had to suicide because he lost his wife to Ravana.
Sita loved Ravana. Ravana was dravid, so Aryan made another story glorifying Ram ( tulsi Ramayana)
it is just the story of dominating dravids. That is what tulsidas did.
Non of vedic god is real, non of priciples in vedic religion are of its own. The whole religion is based on stories, myths and lies of brahmins
RE:The S.Ct and Ram Sethu
by gudipati srinivas on Jul 30, 2008 02:32 AM
Mr Pundit, people are sane enough to recognize faith, religion, belief and prayers. No one is going you give into your crap for sure...if your dad is a corrupt contractor part of this project please go try backing him off this first
2.Lord Rama and his vaanar sena had built it 17 lacs 25 thousands years ago. 3.In Puranas, the importance of Setu is explained in great details, especially in Skanda Purana, Vishnu Purana, Agni Purana, and Brahma Purana. Physical Significance
1. Ram Setu (Sethu) a natural barrier to Tsunami: During the last tsunami, the Ramar Bridge (at a high elevation) from the rest of the shoal accumulations acted as a natural barrier preventing the direct devastation of the entire Bharatam coastline south and southwest of Nagapattanam. - Dr. Murthy, Chief editor of the reputed International Tsunami Journal "Science of Tsunami Hazards" 2.Threat of Tsunami: Many geologists, earth scientists, and oceanographers have commented critically, against the disastrous consequences of constructing SSCP. Amongst these is the impending devastation of Kerala, which will suck in after implementation of SSCP, after next Tsunami hits it. 3.Many Naval officials are saying that even after the completion of SSCP, the depth of the canal shall be only 12 meters (about 36 feet ), and only small and medium sized vessels shall be able to pass. Large sized vessels and carriers shall not be able to pass.
Yeh kya bakwaas h , ppl in this country are morons , why the hell would millions of hindus believe that its a place of worship , i don't. Who in the hell is this Swamy , they don;t represent us , when babri masjid was demolished on the pretext that there there should be a temple of ram there it made me think that indians don't think with their mind , does god reside in a temple or a mosque separately & leaders of parties supported to demolish it ( chaman h sab ) gaaliay khane layak kaam karte h indian politicians aur karte rahenge
RE:Who is HINDU
by Mr Pundit on May 02, 2008 10:06 AM
Does any one know what was under babri masjid, ASI , and supreme court knows, it was rather a Jain temple, So bjp, vhp gave up , and still there is no ram mandir, even after babri masjid demolition. Well this news was not published much, but facts are facts, which top authorities know in india.
Hindu Vedic Scriptures & BHAGAVADGEETHA, Holy Bible etc scriptures affirm this: Everything & everyone in this world is GOD, but its just that the individual doesnot realize this truth. God is not limited to a particular place or location or a person, but is an allpervading divinity that has no beginning, no end or no middle & is existent with in the creation as well as beyond the creation. Due to the illusion caused by Maya or Saitan or Satan or the duality of the nature, the ever present all pervading divinity appears to be divides & independent & this is an illusion, while there is only one thing when you are higly enlightened. Below thing applies to individuals who are in the process of regaining the initial state of oneness: 1. in the initial stages, the individual(be it human or animal or any other individuality) perceives the GOD or Divinity as some power that is located in a place or limited to a body & thus see GOD OR DIVINITY in a temple or Mosque or Church or IDOL or even in a ideal or principle as in the case of Atheist. 2.In the intermediary stages, the same individual perceives oneself as part & parcel of the universalness or ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD. Examples of this stage are like seeing or perceiving GOD as Mother or as Father or as a Master or some other entity who includes the individuality. 3.In the third & final stages, the individual perceives no difference between the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD & THE SELF.
RE:WHAT IS GOD? KNOW TRUTH ABOUT GOD. DONOT FIGHT IN THE NAME OF GOD WITH YOUR HALF-KNOWLEDGE LIKE FOOLS
by sridhar gorantla on Apr 24, 2008 04:26 AM
CONTINUE: This is the highest state & anyone who attains this state can be referred to as GOD, since even though there is a body for this individual, the individual doesnot have a perception that he/she is is a body or limited, but is an unlimitedness & all pervading & ever living one.
Above states are based on a time base. Where, sometimes, the individual can experience the above stage 2 or stage 3 even for a moment if not all the time. But, still this kind of people can be seen as being known of GOD. But those who can at will attain the above 2 or 3 stages can be called as the ones who are free from the illusion of the maya or creation or Satan or Saitan. but those who are in stage 3 irrespective of time are the ones who are no different than GOD & should be treated as ALL PERVADING DIVINITY THYSELF. We see above stages in the lives of saints of all religions since time immemorial.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIVES OF SAINTS OF ALL RELIGIONS WHO ATTAINED 3rd LEVEL OF ENLIGHTMENT, YOU WILL FIND TO YOUR AMAZEMENT, THAT THEY ALL SPOKE OF SAME THING CALLED GOD OR PARAMATMA OR ALLAH OR HEAVENLY FATHER OR THE UNIVERSAL POWER. SO, DONOT FIGHT LIKE A FOOL IN THE NAME OF GOD. SINCE WE DONOT HAVE REACHED THE DESTINATION YET, WE ARE NOT REALIZING THE ONE & ONLY TRUTH ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF ALL PERVDING DIVINITY & ARE FIGHTING AMONG US. HOW FOOLISH IS THIS?
EVEN MODERN SCIENCE WITHIN ITS LIMITS OF MATERIAL LEVEL IS AFFIRMING THIS TRUTH BY DECLARING THAT ALL MATTER IS NOTHING BUT ENERGY
UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY & THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN INDIAN HISTORY. HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA. HERE IS A FREE ONLINE VERSION OF THIS BOOK: wwwDOTcrystalclarityDOTcomSLASHyoganandaSLASH
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The origin of the caste system,formulated by the great legislator Manu,was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (ie. a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on Apr 24, 2008 04:23 AM
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on Apr 24, 2008 04:24 AM
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on Apr 24, 2008 04:24 AM
SUMMARY: HOPE THIS HELPS YOU MORE IN UNDERSTANDING ABOVE EXPLAINED NATURALLY OCCURING PHENOMENON AMONG EVERYONE (WHO ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE SLAVES OF THE NATURE BY FORGETTING THE ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD OR PARAMATMA OR HEAVENLY FATHER OR ALLAH OR UNIVERSAL COUNCIOUSNESS STATE OF ONESELF) IN THE NATURE:
PERSON WHO IDENTIFIES SELF (PERCEIVES THE WORLD & ACTS IN THE WORLD) AS AN EVER EXISTING SOUL IS BRAMHIN PERSON WHO IDENTIFIES SELF (PERCEIVES THE WORLD & ACTS IN THE WORLD) AS WILL POWER IS KSHATRIYA PERSON WHO IDENTIFIES SELF (PERCEIVES THE WORLD & ACTS IN THE WORLD) AS MIND IS VYSYA PERSON WHO IDENTIFIES SELF (PERCEIVES THE WORLD & ACTS IN THE WORLD) AS BODY IS SUDRA
While all of the above 4 states may co-exist to some extent in every person, and may show up at different times (which we call as mood of a person), we need to look at what kind of nature the person exhibits for most of the time, to classify a person in to one of the above 4 categories. This used to be done by the Gurus in gurukula in the olden days, where the guru used to get a correct insight in to each of his students. Thus, the only CRITERIA TO CLASSIFY A PERSON IS THE CHARACTER OF A PERSON, and THE CHARACTER OF A PERSON CAN CHANGE IN HIS LIFE TIME AT SOME POINT (in major way, but a rare phenomenon), WHICH MEANS THE PERSON CAN CHANGE THE CLASSIFICATION IN BETWEEN as well.
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by edge on Apr 24, 2008 10:35 AM
The great mass of people form their religious beliefs with little regard for facts or logic. However, the religious elites also have a strategy for avoiding truth. Religious gurus form their beliefs dogmatically, using their cleverness to organize facts to fit preconceived prejudices. The masses' strategy for avoiding truth is to make a low investment in understanding; the YOGIS & GURUS strategy is to make a large investment in selectively choosing which facts and arguments to emphasize or ignore? People act on what they believe to be true. If people are indoctrinated through education which only allows evidences which neatly fit into a explanation of life, we will increasingly become a society which looks only to itself for answers to life's questions.Our Constitution recognises that `casteism' is a centuries-old vicious ideology founded on hate, violence and exclusion from equality, opportunity, empowerment and resources. The Protection of Civil Rights Act 1955-1976 and the SC and ST (Atrocities) Act 1989 underline this commitment.
These days Sri Lanka is busy locating, connecting, developing and canvassing Ramayan related sites in the Sri Lanka. As per Ramayan, Ravan the villain in the epic ruled over Lanka then and Ram killed him in the war. Hanuman destroyed the Lanka. This being the fate, the Sri Lankans are respecting Ram and the Ramayana. And in India, from where the Hero of the epic originated, the judges of the court who seek oath on the god and bhagawad gita and politicians are questioning the existence of god. This is what is called double (dubious) standard. These very same judges do not allow any convict or witness to say anything taking oath in the name of God. We can understand politicians doing any nonsense for the sake of votes. But what is wrong with these judges? Anyway we know their honesty very well - one gives wrong certificates and gets promotion, one takes bribes and most don't even declare their assets. They may break down physical structures for the sake of Karunanidhi and his support to Congress, but how will they remove Ram from the hears of crores of people all over the world? Only Ram can help us.
RE:Ram's fate in India
by edge on Apr 23, 2008 03:26 PM
Can the mighty edifice of physical order we perceive ultimately be rooted in reasonless absurdity? If so, then nature is a fiendishly clever bit of trickery: meaninglessness and absurdity somehow masquerading as ingenious order and rationality.
RE:Ram's fate in India
by Vikas Saraswat on Apr 23, 2008 04:39 PM
The problem is reason and logic have their limitations. How does one explain the phenomenon of exhilaration while listening to some fine piece of music. Or again many attributes such as courage in the face of death, compassion for some one who does not affect us personally.And still these are some traits which distinguish the superiority of mankind over fellow animals. There are certain phenomena in nature which cannot be apprehended by reasoning, nor be understood by dialectics or empiricalness. These things are apprehended by a state of overmind. Cosmic consciousness is one such experience. I am sure by your own reasoning you can not negate it since you have never experienced/or tried to experience it.Btw the explanation on blind faith was interesting.
RE:Ram's fate in India
by edge on Apr 23, 2008 05:00 PM
To me, good works are more important than theology. We all know that religion has been historically, and still is today, a cause of great evil as well as great good in human affairs. We have seen terrible casteist persecutions conducted in the name of religion. We have also seen large numbers of people inspired by religion to lives of heroic virtue, bringing education and medical care to the poor, helping to abolish casteism. Religion amplifies the good and evil tendencies of individual souls. Religion will always remain a powerful force in the history of our species. To me, the meaning of progress in religion is simply this, that as we move from the past to the future the good works inspired by religion should more and more prevail over the evil.
RE:Ram's fate in India
by sridhar gorantla on Apr 24, 2008 04:29 AM
How ignorant you are to blame the religion for all the troubles that the humanity faced or facing or is going to cafe. It is the humans that are having the good or evil with in themselves. Religion is the one in its true and original form that is trying to bring about good and peaceful life on the earth. But if people misuse it for their selfishness, then, it is not the problem of the religion, but it is the problem of the people. Blaming religion for the fate of humans and world troubles, is like blaming science for all the troubles that are caused due to the advanced weaponary, guns, nuclear weapons etc. How foolish it is to blame the instruments, instead of making the humans accountable.
RE:Ram's fate in India
by JGN on Apr 25, 2008 12:16 AM
Mr. sridhar gorantla, pl put search words "animal worship" in any internet search engine and see how the system of worship originated. Some clever persons exploited the ignorance of the masses and took advantage of that. When there are millions of followers for Sr Sri Ravi Shannkar, Mata Amritananda Mayi, Satya Saibaba, Benny Hinn ,etc even in 21 st century, we can very well imagine how much influence the whole-sale dealers of religions enjoyed among the primitive tribes!
RE:Ram's fate in India
by Vikas Saraswat on Apr 23, 2008 09:01 PM
I agree with the bulk of your contention except on two points. Though dogoodness and morality is a basic premise to anything good, it is not the end sought by, at least, ancient Vedic relegion. The philosophical quest for eternal truths and attempts to realise the cosmic consciouness remain its pursuits. The second point is that it is not religion/s alone (and here too the blame has to be shared largely by world domination seeking Semitic religions) which caused turmoil and misery. Every "ism" of some consequence has played its part.
RE:Complete guide made easy to follow hinduism
by Vikas Saraswat on Apr 22, 2008 03:02 PM
Elaborate this a little bit, or if you cant, just rephrase it some 20 -30 times and apply for a doctorate from any Marxist/ Christian University and you will be rewarded a Ph D even before you can blink.
RE:Complete guide made easy to follow hinduism
by edge on Apr 22, 2008 03:26 PM
I think the main problem we face today is overreaction, religions have already made the transition, quietly de-emphasizing the irrational elements in their heritages, abandoning the xenophobic and sexist prohibitions of their quite recent past, and turning their attention from doctrinal purity to moral effectiveness. The fact that these adapting religions are scorned as former religions by the diehard purists shows how brittle the objects of their desperate allegiance have become. As the world informs itself about these transitions, those who are devout in the old-fashioned way will have to work around the clock to provide attractions, distractions%u2014and guilt trips%u2014to hold the attention and allegiance of their children?
RE:Complete guide made easy to follow hinduism
by Vikas Saraswat on Apr 22, 2008 07:09 PM
I am no votary of a rigid, orthodox and ritualistic religion. But that precisely is what the seemingly progressive doctrines such as Communism have become today.
RE:Complete guide made easy to follow hinduism
by edge on Apr 23, 2008 10:21 AM
This is why rationalists put such a heavy premium on the paradoxical-seeming claim that a belief is only really worthwhile if you could, in principle, be persuaded to believe otherwise. If your retina ended up in the same state regardless of what light entered it, you would be blind... Hence the phrase, 'blind faith'. If what you believe doesn't depend on what you see, you've been blinded as effectively as by poking out your eyeballs.
