What thousand million dollars - where would a bankrupt non-entity like Pak, which was dependent on foreign aid for over 75% of its budget get a billion dollars back then? Uncle Sam gives Pakistan billions in economic and military aid every year, so in effect, Pak was using Uncle Sam's own money to pay for the planes, and that's why Pak has 'protested' so feebly, if at all. As regards the trust deficit, India must share some blame in this - her seemingly open anti-American pro-Soviet stance, which permeated the Non-Aligned Movement(NAM), especially at the UN; Nehru's pompousity in preaching to America and the West - he spurned all attempts by Uncle Sam at building closer relations, even after Uncle Sam helped did them a great favor in '62 by reading Mao the riot act, forcing him to recall his Red hordes from Indian territory. Trust is not a one-way street - it must be mutual.
RE:Trust deficit
by Lalatendu Deo on Sep 19, 2007 04:31 PM
Whether the deficit is from US's side or that from India's, it hardly matters. My point is that the US has gone against the agreement with Pakistan. And she does the same with numerous agreements. So if we think the US will fulfil all its commitments in any future agreement, it is far fetched. And we must provision for those discounts in the commitments from the US.
US chose not to pay most of the dues to several UN Organisations. Have you gone through the arguments that the US had put before the invasion of IRAQ? We must be ready to hear such absurd arguments if the US wishes not to honour any of its commitments.
The core issue is the trust worthiness of the US for all its supplies. No doubt they have superior technology in many a fields. But second in line should not be discounted altogether.
The US has a series of unfulfilled promises with various governments. All angles and the dependability is to be the foremost concern for us.
Or else, we shall have the fate similar to that of Pakistan's who, after paying a thousand million $ to the US some 20 years back, have not got those F-16s. The ones, about a third of what promised, that were supplied have been rendered some what unworkable, due to a full stop in supply of spares. And the US's vague idea of not returning those $ 500 million to Pakistan was that that country would utilise the returned money to purchases that might be detrimental to the interests of the US!!!! I am not very sure whether the money was returned at all. Or the same is kept aside for those F16s that might be supplied to Pakistan on an uncertain future date. Pakistan had only occasionally feebly protested to this act of the US. But they have never dared to tell that it was illegal on the part of the US to do so.
Good sense prevailed that we are not very enthusiastic with the offers the US has made us some couple of years back, regarding F-16s and F18s. We have enough of Tarapore woos with us.
Mr. Nambiar told exactly right but we should not expect it from U.S.A. It is very common if we are depended on any country especially in military and atomic area it will try to dominate us. To defend ourselvs we need our own weapons and for that we need extended research. So, we can spend half of $14 billion in research which will give better result in future. But right now we need also better weapons. So, India govt. may offer U.S. to give those fighter planes on hire purchase basis for 30 years including the supply of spares in time. If U.S. betrays then we just will not pay the remaining. Tit for tat. Malay Basu, Nigeria
RE:US se bachke rehna..
by Vinay Gupta on Sep 18, 2007 01:56 PM
Bhai, let us analyse us first. Now these Cyber babus who are working for US as cheap labour are creating a atmosphere in India that there is no alternative but to go with US.
We Indians shud encourage independent thinking and shud not be carried away by these self interest groups. English news papers are effecting our thought process and poisioning our minds.
In seventies they used to be USSR's agents and now a days they all r US agents
Panchkula Afternoon, 1pm., Tuesday, Sept.18th,2007 Gen Satisn Nambiar addressing Defence Suppliers and Security Analysers groups in New York lamented that there was "Trust Deficit" in between US and Indian estts.despite Fuel Agreement or Operation Malabar 2007 .Lately,one Nobel LAUREATE, ex-U.S. President& Peace-Broker argued , that Indians only have very rudimentary Nuclear Technology for harnessing any state -of -art light -water Nuclear Technologies as yet.As such my submission to General Nambiar would be that instead of begging and supplicating American Tycoons for enhancing esteem and trust for indians and their capabilities he and his like get down at home and put their weak shoulders to the stuck wheels of Indian Technology wagon and create genuine new capabilities.A harsh duty that all his likes shy away from.D. Goel
RE:Gen Satish Nambiar's TRust Deficit cannot be healed without uplifting Indian's Self-reliant Technologies.
by Vinay Gupta on Sep 18, 2007 01:51 PM
Goel ji, this precisely is the problem. This legacy of British education system. I have noticed that all ENGLISH news papers are blindly supporting Nuclear deal. What does this show. Why there is unanimity?
Nambiar assertion is a truly nationaist but he shud remeber that Somers is not going to oblige Indians. Now with so many cyber coolies working in India as well as in US to look after the self interest US need not to woory at all. These cyber babu will help US.
As long as these elements are there US is not going to treat India as equal partner though it requires India in same manner as India requires it.
India must not forget its experiences regarding CRAY super computer for weather forecasting, spares for Sea King helicopters, cryogenic technology from Russia apart from fuel for Tarapur reactor while upscaling defence and strategic relationship with the US. You never know when and where you will be ditched.
Why can't we develop our own technology and not rely on foreign charity. I thought that our scientists were the best in the world. why can't we develop technology on our own that is comparable to the Us.
