RE:Ramas real face
by Suresh Arora on Nov 01, 2007 11:21 PM
contd... Many of the real-life passages of Rama's life are also preserved in the Ravayana, an oral history of the Dalits. This version also accredits Rama with killing his own father. This epitome of a god was nothing but a coward who cut off womens' noses and murdered his enemies by striking from the back. After he brutally murdered Ravana this traitor burnt the city of Lanka, killing all the thousands of innocent women and children in it. These are only a few of the sadistic crimes against humanity committed by this butcher.
RE:Ramas real face
by r patil on Nov 01, 2007 11:02 PM
Now since Ram is mensioned in Buddhist scripture as well as jain scripture,was he a historical figure or immaganery charecter of both these scriptures.
RE:RE:Ramas real face
by Jinadoss on Nov 03, 2007 11:37 PM
It looks like Ram concept was stolen and new version was created from Jain mythological stories. But in Jainism Ram is not 17 million years old, or he doesn't speak sankrit. It clearly indicates that brahmin did not leave any chances to copy from Dravidian Jainism of this country which is original religion of Bharat sinc3 5000 years old. Even good thing, like literature, god, concepts, temples, Karma theory was stolen from jain scriptures and copied to brahminic religion. Can we safely say Brahminic religion is off shoot or a cult born from Dravid culture(jain culture), ofcourse Brahmins retained some of their own theories of casteism and social norms like dowry. However today dravidian jainism is 0.001% of our population and hence dravidian jainism is considered part of hinduism. Did Ram temple was built over Jain temple (ayodhya), yes it is, something like many 1000s of temples converted to hindu temple since 800 A.D. Rest of Gods created by Brahmins are simply avatar of Jain gods of dravid culture. Please do not mix Aryan Jainism of present form.
RE:Ram's black deeds
by JGN on Nov 01, 2007 08:14 PM
Mr. Arora, Mr.Koovoor has written about Christianity and other religions also in his famous book Gods, Demons and Spirits. Why do you skillfully quote only a part of his book?
RE:RE:Ram's black deeds
by JGN on Nov 02, 2007 04:53 PM
Mr. Manikandan, the avowed policies of those who indulge in religious conversion anywhere in the world were to inculcate in the converts a spirit of alienation towards their ancestral society, culture and religion as well as their native land. Those who converted the natives of India into Islam or Christianity have achieved enormous success in their endeavour. Those converts are identifying with the agesssors rather than their fellow country-men! We cannot help such perverts. Let them indulge in self-deception.
RE:Ram's black deeds
by r patil on Nov 01, 2007 08:35 PM
Tankx tamilan for admitting you are a christain. New testament clearly says that jesus talked with Moses on a moutain before his journey to jerusalem were he was crucified.Now where as jesus said moses that what you did was wrong and Iam shameful about you,do you find any such thing no.Infact jesus has praised moses ,abrahim, david(you can check in bible what david did how he got all his wives).Neither jesus who called himself to be God(god of old testament also) both father and son as taken blame for his commands in old testaments for openly allowing jews to make slaves from canna people,kill their young one and rape their females.The good lord of bible who gave 10 commandement to moses finds nothing wrong with moses hence gives him heaven(atleast jesus beleived he is being visited by moses who was in heaven during his time).The same lord who burned the whole sodom for crimes of few men,including all the womaen,children and livestock also keeps wuite when Lot sleeps with his two daughter to give birth to his two sons cum grandsons.
RE:RE:Ram's black deeds
by tamilan on Nov 01, 2007 07:46 PM
In fact Jesus came to CHANGE all these idiotic things. He was crucified for that reason only.
RE:Ram's black deeds
by tamilan on Nov 01, 2007 08:38 PM
Dear JGN,
So you are well aware of Bible and christianity. You should be knowing bible was writen and re writen by so many persons and it is not directly faxed from heaven. Some of the facts may have been twisted. We cannot take the whole bible as true. Every religion has its dark side. But, what Jesus preached was good. There was no violence, no blood bath, no hatred.
RE:RE:Ram's black deeds
by r patil on Nov 01, 2007 09:06 PM
Tamilan only when conered you people admit faults of your religious book,but at the same time accuse hindu religion also to have dark side,cannot admit bible on its own merit.Jesus in new testament has repeatly said he talks in parables to confuse people,accused and bad mouthed all pharishes to be hypocrats when asked to wash hand before eating,he was reapeatedly said one should hate their parents and siblings if they want to follow him. "think not that i have come to spread peace, i have come to spread war".I know all christains are trained to some how twist them to mean how loving,caring his messages are.
RE:Ram's black deeds
by tamilan on Nov 01, 2007 07:44 PM
Don't get confused my friend. What you have referred is judaism not true christianity. Most of the persons including some christian churches took old testament and new testament together as holy bible. But, true followers of Jessus have only New Testament as Holy Bible where you cannot find such idiotic things.
RE:RE:Ram's black deeds
by tamilan on Nov 01, 2007 08:50 PM
Mr. r patil, Can you tell me a religion without any absurdity? As I said every religion has its dark side. Just look at what Jesus preached and what kind of life he led. He wanted to change tit for tat policy of Moses. Consider the period he was living. Nobody could say anything against Moses or his ten commandments. Jesus was a real revolution. Those people could not tolerate him. He wanted to change the whole community. They crucified him.
RE:RE:Ram's black deeds
by JGN on Nov 02, 2007 05:05 PM
Dear tamilan, I am aware of Bible, Koran, Mahabharata, Ramayana and scriptures of many other religions. The worst among the lot is the Bible. There is no other book in the world which contains more s.e.x. stories than the Bible.
Whatever progress has been made by the mankind, it is despite of the religions and the so-called holy books. The priestly class of all religions have only tried to scuttle the scientific temperament and free thinking.
I request to all those neo-converts preachign Christianity to desist from criticising only one religion. If you continue to do so, I will be constrained to post my comments about the Bible in a most abusive manner as I am fully aware of the shortcomings in the Bible and have access to the related information.
RE:RE:Ram's black deeds
by r patil on Nov 01, 2007 09:15 PM
Dear tamilan my msg to suresh was only in respose was his allegations from outsiders of the faith,i had no intension of bringing christanity in to it.But one thing I want you to tell is that Indian culture(that is hindu,jain,budha culture)never beleived eye for an eye.They never killed non combations in wars not even soldier without weapons,nor did they burned enemies houses and temple,nor did they took enemies woman and children as sex slaves.If jesus would have born here he would have no work to do,anyway his followers in order to spread "religion of love"did extacly what was told by old testament God to do . Anyway if you are really interested what faithful jesuits who served him all their life found about him,read keonaraad elst phclogy of prophetism-A secular look at the bibile atleast once in your life.
RE:Saraswati and the Gods
by r patil on Nov 01, 2007 07:31 PM
Why you are worried about immaginery hindu Gods i wonder.Saraswati was a might river where melted ice filled her waters,thats why she is represented as weaving white saree and since vedas were written on her banks that's why she is associated with goddess of knowledge.Maybe brahma(whoes symbol is lotus not swan or peacock)who is creator of all and also the creator of river saraswati ,maybe he did get very mesmerised with her beuty,as you are telling me may be he created his own five head to get a good look at the ever course changing saraswati,who also stopped every now and then which created many lakes (saras means lake in sanskrit and all other indo european langauge). It is being proved by geologists that river saraswati which was the mightest of all the indian rivers mighter than even ganga and bramhaputra river,has changed are course of flow many times and finally disappered completely.She was named saraswati because that river formed many saras on its path,hence in mythology is said to flow in dirrent direction taking a breath and stopping all along.This is how you should decord mythologies using scinetific means ,not just accuse mytholgies to be fiction of fertile mind,yes i do agree that many mythologies are dramatised version of history or the real natural fact.So next time dont reget mythology to be completely baseless,they do have some truth in them.
By the way you were qouting about tamil samara jains and their gods ,did you check the tamil jain samaras(iam
Vedic civil Engineering and textile engineering has really ruined this country....
Ram and draupadi stories have taken this country with blind faith. Our government cannot build even one good bridge. Textile we are somewhat okay and now exporting to north america also. Another fact Lanka is Ram's capital and Delhi is Ravana's capital...Characters got mixed up in brahmin phenkology.
