It is evident that Islam bashing is the in thing nowadays and some real weirdos can be seen offering a panacea for ills and their distorted presentation of history is just way beyond. Probably it is an orgasmic delight for them.
RE:Islam bashing
by anand ganesh on May 06, 2007 12:57 PM
Dear Sunny, I am quoting a muslim post in rediff.
"Sunnis should unite by ansari ahmad on May 06, 2007 04:39 AM | Hide replies
Shia Idiots are causing this problem in Our country and creating trouble to Musharraf. We Sunnis should unite and drive out the Shia Idiots out of Pakistan. Then only we can live peacefully."
All that one has to do for Islam-bashing is to quote what is in Quran and what u muslims post. One need not addone's opinions
RE:Islam bashing
by anand ganesh on May 06, 2007 12:52 PM
Sunny, suppose I write something like this: "Kill all non-hindus.". U simply quote what I write in your posts. I have no business to say that u are indulging in Anand-bashing or for that matter I have no right to say that u get orgasmic delight in defaming me. My writings defame me more than your quoting it.
So, when I'm quoting Quran and not writing my own thing, nobody can call it "Islam-bashing". To quote the Quran is enough for "Islam-bashing". No one needs to add one's own opinion for the so-called "Islam-bashing".
What Late Anwar Sheikh ( a Pakistani who later settleda nd died in UK) has written about Islam is illuminating(http://www.islam-watch.org/AnwarSheikh/Islam-Arab-Imperialism1.htm)
"In fact, Islam is the most effective tool of imperialism; other nations, usually acquire political and cultural glory through economic power or sword and fire but Islam achieves this aim through the medium of faith-in- Muhammad, the only source of paradise, replete with beautiful virgins, pretty boys and rivers of wine, milk and honey. This lure of paradise has turned all non-Arab Muslims into moths, eager to cremate themselves on the flame of the Arabian cultural hegemony. So blinded are the non-Arab Muslims by the magnitude of the Arabian glory, emanating from the Islamic faith, that the father will kill his own son if he denies its spiritual, legal and moral suzerainty. What can be more fantastic than the fact that Muslims all over the world prostrate towards Mecca at least five times a day. The Prophet gained this singular honour for his country through a spiritual mechanism, which, despite being phoney, appears felicitous, fruitful and fitting. Yet it testifies, not only to the unique political vision of the Prophet, but also offers an amazing study to someone, wishing to engage in discovering the human skills of marvel, mystery and manipulation.
It is not wishful thinking. I have burnt enough midnight oil to uncover the reality of Prophethood. As this doctrine is an open insult to the dignity of God, who is held as the Perfect and Creator, Islam cannot be a Divine religion. Owing to its deep-rooted tendencies to benefit the Arabs at the expense of its followers belonging to the foreign lands, it is reasonable to conclude that Islam is nothing but the tool of the Arab Imperialism."
Any bridging of Gap between West and Islam is impossible for anyone.
Before we think of bridging the gap between the West and Islam, v should remind ourselves that India has better things to do. If India has to progress, we Indians have to embrace our Constitutional ideals of equality, respect for right of other religions to practice their faith, respect for other's right to hold views different from ours etc, science and human rights. As an Indian, I cannot but oppose the following as these are repugnant to the above ideals: (i)Islam-which preaches hatred and terror against Jews,Christians, Pagans and Non-muslims and calls on its followers to eliminate all non-muslims. This is clear when one reads the Quran, hadees and Islamic History. (ii)Casteism which determines caste of a person based on his birth/family. (iii)Anything that makes women second-class or third-class citizens. (iv)Anything in religion or society that runs counter to science.
Hindu India prefers peace and prosperity. Muslims prefer Jihaad,War and dominancy. Christians prefer peace only in their lands and wars in others with the sole purpose of dominancy.
Hindu India is not connected to either Muslims or Christians desire to dominate. If Christians and Muslims want to fight, Hindu India will tactically support Christians.Enemy of my enemy is a friend.
Pls Aziz Hanifa and other Muslims , pls do not accept us to help you, after your religion has tried to kill Hindus for the hundreds of years.
Plus how do we help you?By lying that you do not want to kill others and do not want to dominate others.Sorry!
RE:Why should India take this Burden?
by anand ganesh on May 06, 2007 01:36 PM
Everything what u say is correct smskal yug but one thing. Why v should support Christians. Let Christians and Muslims fight each other and v get on with our business.
India has to set the stage for world peace. When the whole world is looking at muslims and Islam with suspision, an Indian Muslim is standing example of progressive and tolerant global citizen. Whether its a Muslim of Indian origin in UK or US, they have brought honours to India. I think there is something about India that prevents Indian Muslims to go the way of Pakistani Muslims or Bangladeshi Muslims or for that matter Muslims in the Middle East. In other regions outside India, Islam has been twisted to give rise to radical Islam which breeds terrorism. I am proud of most Indian Muslims that they defy such terrorism and don't participate in it the way Pakistani Musmims have done. In that respect the Indian Muslims have a great responsibility. To show to the world what it means to be a real muslim and a global peace loving citizen. And in doing that if an India Muslim comes across a radical element in India ( whether Muslim or from other religion) , it becomes our duty to educate them and bring them to the National Mainstream.
RE:Indian Muslim Has a Great Responsibility!!
by Sai Puducode on May 06, 2007 11:01 AM
This is a golden opportunity for indian Muslims to show the world & to do amends for historical mistakes in India that they are progressive secular people who will support laws like a common civil cod for all.
History:The massacres perpetrated by Moslems in India are unparalleled in history. In sheer numbers, they are bigger than the Jewish Holocaust, the Soviet Terror, the Japanese massacres of the Chinese during WWII, Mao%u2019s devastations of the Chinese peasantry, the massacres of the Armenians by the Turks, or any of the other famous crimes against humanity of the 20th Century. But sadly, they are almost unknown outside India.
There are several reasons for this. In the days when they ruled India, the British, pursuing a policy of divide-and-rule, whitewashed the record of the Moslems so that they could set them up as a counterbalance to the more numerous Hindus. During the struggle for independence, Gandhi and Nehru downplayed historic Moslem atrocities so that they could pretend a facade of Hindu-Moslem unity against the British. (Naturally, this façade dissolved immediately after independence and several million people were killed in the religious violence attendant on splitting British India into India and Pakistan.) After independence, Marxist Indian writers, blinkered by ideology, suppressed the truth about the Moslem record because it did not fit into the Marxist theory of history. Nowadays, the Indian equivalent of political correctness downplays Moslem misdeeds because Moslems are an "oppressed minority" in majority-Hindu India. And Indian leftist intellectuals always blame India first and hate their own Hindu civilization; just their equivalents at Berkeley blame America and the West.
Unlike Germany, which has apologized to its Jewish and Eastern European victims, and Japan, which has at least behaved itself since WWII, and even America, which has gone into paroxysms of guilt over what it did to the infinitely smaller numbers of Red Indians, the Moslem aggressors against India and their successors have not even stopped trying to finish the job they started. To this day, militant Islam sees India as "unfinished business" and it remains high on the agenda of oil-rich Moslem countries such as Saudi Arabia, which are spending millions every year trying to convert Hindus to Islam.
One may take some small satisfaction in the fact that they find it rather slow going.
RE:RE:Indian Muslim Has a Great Responsibility!!
by Sunny Armageddon on May 06, 2007 12:34 PM
Did you write that massacre history? have you ever heard of Gengis Khan? What about the massacres done by Hindu Kings and rulers? In one word i can sum up your knowledge of history and your distorted view .... the word is " PATHETIC " .
RE:Indian Muslim Has a Great Responsibility!!
by smskal yug on May 06, 2007 05:27 AM
Indian Muslim is UNEDUCATED and retarded.They can NEVER be RESPONSIBLE.Islam has spread all round the globe ONLY among people who have been uneducated,poor and from the lowest of the human strata...history shows that the best of Islam only begets war and unrest, why expect the [Indian]Muslims to act out of his sphrere.The word RESPONSIBILITY does not exist in ISLAM!
I had an impression that Zakir Naik, the so called self proclaimed messiah of muslims is just talking about the religion and not the extremism, but it turned out to be other way round...
I have grown up in a muslim family and i am from India. So as i was growing up i studied in a convent school where i was taught about Christanity.I have also read the Bhagvatgita. I had and have friends from all religion. I am proud to be an Indian and a Muslim and i would have not wished for any thing else. Choosing a religion you follow or not follow is based on how you are able to understand it , follow it and live with it. And for me after all my reserach i think i could relate to Islam very well. This does not mean everyone will. Hence it is a religion of choice and it is not to be forced.
I am however surprised to see very well educated people on this message board to have so much hatred about Islam and trying to equate Islam with terrorism.
I have seen terrorism in many forms and i think terrorism does not have any religion. It is unfortunate to see that the majority of the terrorists acts have been done by people who claim to be Muslims, but i don't believe that the people doing the same are anyway related to Islam or know the true essence of Islam.
I would suggest that if you do need to comment on any religion, please get the knowledge from the right source. Nowadays most of the information is tained because of the hatred towards the religion. Prophet Muhammad did not hate any religion or kill for Islam. He fought when he was not allowed to practise his religion of choice which I would call freedom of choice. He worked with the Jews and the Chrstians. He prayed his Salaat in a Church and when he needed help he did request help from a Christian king too.
So please if you are well educated please get the right knowledge before you mention anything mean or bad. It is very sad to see this happening from people belonging to India.
RE:Islam Religion of Peace
by Surya Kanishka on May 05, 2007 11:55 AM
You sow you reap, you please hear the courses from your masjids on fridays. Boss we have to if Saddam is hanged and we will at the receiving end. Some thing happens in Indonesia what rest of India have to do it ?
Lastly, please try your own people to have family planning, work in honourable means, stop thinking of converting, stop your mullahs spreading hatred, stop thinking everything should be green, Dont force yoou religious practices on others, Stop talking of religious superiority, critisicism and comparisions with others, lastly live and let others to live. If you follow these simple things there will be peace everywhere.
RE:Islam Religion of Peace
by Ashish Kumar on May 05, 2007 10:33 AM
Islam is indeed a religion of peace but the problem is the muslim society has bound its individuals hand and foot into a rigid social structure comprising jamats etc. As a result the individuality of the muslims is compromised and they become subject of the diktats of ambitious clerics who want to use the weight of muslim population across the globe to gain hegemony for their own ends. islam never taught people to be hegemonistic (though many would disagree with me citing its spread on the strength of sword). It asks its followers to look inwards and purify themselves. However, the clerics advise muslims to look outwards and try to establish the islamic nizam so that they (the clerics) achieve their objectives. Similar things were true of Christians before the renassance and of Hindus only a few decades back. Now some of the Hindu groups are trying to bring that kind of regimentation back in order to counter the islamic regimentation. Can we hope that some day some enlighteneed muslims like you will raise your voice, break the shackles and liberate the muslim society for the good of muslims and the society in general?
RE:Islam Religion of Peace
by anand ganesh on May 05, 2007 12:04 PM
Yeah!!Islam is indeed the religion of peace!!!They will kill all non-muslims and then all non-muslims will rest in peace in the grave. Ashish wake up!!! Even I had the same notions about Islam as u have when I had not read the Quran, Hadees and Ismaic history. In these days of the internet, u have ex-muslims who have quit Islam and are campaigning against it. Study and then form opinion.
RE:Islam Religion of Peace
by Sunny Armageddon on May 05, 2007 12:26 PM
Anand Ganesh and your likes: You have tried your best to write and preach hatred and in your heart of hearts you know this is not true no more than Hinduism preaches paedophilia. It goes to prove that literacy does not irradicate illiteracy. May your tribe decrease.
RE:Islam Religion of Peace
by anand ganesh on May 06, 2007 11:59 AM
Sunny, I am only quoting verses from Quran, not my own thing. So, if u don't like it, I vcan't help it.
RE:Islam Religion of Peace
by anand ganesh on May 05, 2007 10:12 AM
Dear On, pointing out facts is not hatred. That is the problem with muslims. If others point out facts, u accuse them of hatred.Just see the Quran, the Hadees and the track record of muslim countries.
RE:Islam Religion of Peace
by anand ganesh on May 05, 2007 10:32 AM
Der On, Don't tell lies. Prophet was exiled from Mecca because he criticised the Gods of the Pagans.He was only exiled.While Prophet put to death those who criticised or did not accept Islam. The Pagans never presecuted the Prophet or disallowed freedom of religion to him. They did not persecute people of any religious persuasion.By the way Pagans peacefully coexisted with Jews and Christians. They resented his criticism of their Gods.
I can make out that u are an honourable patriotic Indian but not aware of facts about Islam. U are blindly believing all that is told to u bu your elders or mullas. Find out the facts for yourself.
