Hyderabad: A Christian evangelist on Friday alleged that Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy had demanded $5 million for party funds in December 2003 even as the later denied the allegations as 'wild' and 'baseless'.
K A Paul, chairman of the Global Peace Initiative (GPI), told newspersons that Reddy had sought the money from him and promised to help GPI go overseas.
He alleged that the Chief Minister, accompanied by senior Congress leader Botsa Satyanarayana, now a state minister, approached him in December 2003 seeking funds for 2004 elections. He claimed that he had declined to pay the money.
Paul alleged that he was facing threat to his life as Reddy bore grudge against him for refusing to give money. "Now my life is under threat from Dr Reddy," he said.
However, Reddy told a news conference on Friday that he did visit the orphanage run by Paul's brother on his invitation in December 2003. "But I never asked for money. When Dr Paul wanted that All India Congress Committee (AICC) President Sonia Gandhi be invited to the orphanage, I spoke to her but she did not evince any interest," said Reddy.
The Chief Minister said that Paul was friend of Telugu Desam Party president N Chandrababu Naidu. "I don't know why he is making such wild and baseless allegations," he said.
RE:Billionaire Evangelist KA Paul: YSR demanded money
by Vas on Jun 09, 2007 09:23 PM
This KA Paul is the one who tried to strangle a hindu activist, who was protesting YSR's discrimination against hindu temples in AP and the christianization of the Andhra Pradesh state.
You will more on this most corrupt billionaire christian evangelist on the following newspaper from Houston, US:
Hindus have been generally dipassionate about everything: their country, their commnunity and especially the poor and downtrodden. Their enormorus greed and apathy led to more than 2000 years of slavery.
No wonder Xanity is more appealing to ppl wanting to come out of that mold.
RE:Why are Hindus so insecure?
by Vas on Jun 09, 2007 09:13 PM
Part of the package deal when one converts to christianity is the opportunity to have access to large money - especially for those that end being the pastor, evangelist, missionary- in the form of funds from the hundred of churches in western countries, all readily avaialble for "purchasing" souls. Hindus have traditionally been hesitant to 'buy' souls, since they have always seen spirituality as a personal endeavour, plus they think that they can NEVER compete with the enormous wealth of all the churches and missions in the west. Christians, on the other hand, see religion as a political and economic tool, and will use their wealth and power to push their religion anyhow and anyway without embarassment.
I say, the hindus should not be afraid/hesitiant to use whatever money and wealth they have (even if they think that they can never match the amount of wealth pouring into developing countries from western churches and institutions) to push hinduism more aggressively. Play the devil's (christintiy)game!
RE:Why are Hindus so insecure?
by Simply Human on Jun 09, 2007 10:26 PM
The only way to beat Christianity is to improve Hinduism, not preach it. My christian friends (those who are religious) donate upto 10% of their annual salries to the Church. Can we do that?
Even the non-religious christians donate at least 5% to charities created by the Church or other christians.
To strengthen Hinduism, the following is critical:
1) Dismanting caste system. A good barometer are the matrimonials. If they stop advertising and demanding particular castes. The newsreports of Dalits being lynched must stop. Another byproduct of this positive development would be automatic obsoletion of reservations.
2) Every Hindu household must donate 5% of their annual income to charity (I personally do that!) of their choise.
3) Temples should be organized to become social centers of sharing and shelter. this means elimination of 1000s of roadside temples. Get the temples organized. Let the priests be paid professional salaries.
4) Stick to the strengths of Hinduism: flexibiliy and inclusivity. Stop the tirade against other religions. It is the peaceful nature and flexibility of Hinduism which attracts others the most. LEt us not loose our only selling point.
RE:Why are Hindus so insecure?
by Vas on Jun 09, 2007 11:54 PM
Simple Human/Mind (an apt name) - whatever you are sugesting is nothing new and has been suggested in the past and have been carried out by many hindus silently (giving charity every month - not just 10% but also extra on other occassions), including myself and family for decades. You are probably a new generation of 'hindus' that has just woken up, and think you've found the 'solution' to the problem. Have you studied the problem in depth? It is no longer about just giving money to charity, and matching the so-called 'charitable' deeds of the christians. It is about encountering the abuse and trickery resorted to by the christians to malign hinduism and hindu society. The christians are not just luring the poor and ignorant Indians by throwing money in the name of charity. They engage in rigorous attack (both overt and convert strategies) to malign and destroy other religions. Have you ever visited the rural parts of India, where the christian evangelists flock around his 'poor sheep." They will use every trick in the book to undermine hinduism , distort hindu scriptures, and in fact, parade majority of vendanta/upanishad philosophy as christianity's invention, and state that the only thing that hinduism has ever come up with is caste system.
Giving charity and all that is fine: But, so is encountering the false accusations and allegations of christians. That is equally important, and even more so. Aggressive tactics to educate and inform ignorant Indians is sorely neede
RE:Why are Hindus so insecure?
by Vas on Jun 09, 2007 11:54 PM
Simple Human/Mind (an apt name) - whatever you are sugesting is nothing new and has been suggested in the past and have been carried out by many hindus silently (giving charity every month - not just 10% but also extra on other occassions), including myself and family for decades. You are probably a new generation of 'hindus' that has just woken up, and think you've found the 'solution' to the problem. Have you studied the problem in depth? It is no longer about just giving money to charity, and matching the so-called 'charitable' deeds of the christians. It is about encountering the abuse and trickery resorted to by the christians to malign hinduism and hindu society. The christians are not just luring the poor and ignorant Indians by throwing money in the name of charity. They engage in rigorous attack (both overt and convert strategies) to malign and destroy other religions. Have you ever visited the rural parts of India, where the christian evangelists flock around his 'poor sheep." They will use every trick in the book to undermine hinduism , distort hindu scriptures, and in fact, parade majority of vendanta/upanishad philosophy as christianity's invention, and state that the only thing that hinduism has ever come up with is caste system.
Giving charity and all that is fine: But, so is encountering the false accusations and allegations of christians. That is equally important, and even more so. Aggressive tactics to educate and inform ignorant Indians is sorely neede
RE:Why are Hindus so insecure?
by Vas on Jun 09, 2007 11:55 PM
Simple Human/Mind (an apt name) - whatever you are sugesting is nothing new and has been suggested in the past and have been carried out by many hindus silently (giving charity every month - not just 10% but also extra on other occassions), including myself and family for decades. You are probably a new generation of 'hindus' that has just woken up, and think you've found the 'solution' to the problem. Have you studied the problem in depth? It is no longer about just giving money to charity, and matching the so-called 'charitable' deeds of the christians. It is about encountering the abuse and trickery resorted to by the christians to malign hinduism and hindu society. The christians are not just luring the poor and ignorant Indians by throwing money in the name of charity. They engage in rigorous attack (both overt and convert strategies) to malign and destroy other religions. Have you ever visited the rural parts of India, where the christian evangelists flock around his 'poor sheep." They will use every trick in the book to undermine hinduism , distort hindu scriptures, and in fact, parade majority of vendanta/upanishad philosophy as christianity's invention, and state that the only thing that hinduism has ever come up with is caste system.
Giving charity and all that is fine: But, so is encountering the false accusations and allegations of christians. That is equally important, and even more so. Aggressive tactics to educate and inform ignorant Indians is sorely neede
RE:RE:Why are Hindus so insecure?
by Vas on Jun 10, 2007 12:03 AM
[Sorry, the above message wasn't supposed to come three times].
To continue: If you are unfairly accused of corruption, rape, or murder, will you sit there staring at your belly button, or defend yourself? If in the process of defending yourself, you have to bring out some harsh truths about those who conspired to malign you, so be it. Just as every man has the right to defend himself against unfair allegations, so has every religion. If in the process, some harsh realities and truths about christianity emerges, then that is unavoidable. No one wants to malign christianity jsut for the sake of maligning the religion, but if one has to stand up in defense, so truths will have to be revealed. The poor ignorant hindus deserve to be told about hnduism as well as why these allegations are false and deliberately aimed at hindus. Rigorous education and information on hinduism as well as some truths about chrstianity need to come out. If the chrsitians are not going to be honest about their religion, but going to malign hinduism at every opportunity, let no hindu sit there passively talking about 'inclusion.' WE have enough psuedo-seculars in India doing that!
RE:Why are Hindus so insecure?
by Simply Human on Jun 10, 2007 06:37 AM
Vas YOu are right when you say that it has been carried out silently by (many) some Hindus. I have seen less than 1% of my Hindu friends do that. And I know of no one who does upto 10%.
The facts speak for themselves. Walk into any ophanage or charitable organiation and ask for statistics on donations. Considering out GDP and the absolute size of middle class and well-to-do Indians it is nothing but pathetic.
Look at the state of our temples. One out of 100000 temples has the concept of feeding the poor.
From messages of people like you and others I am forced to turn more and more towards charities run by Xian organizations.
I have nothing left but contempt for Hinduism. And it seems your only weapon left is rhetoric, violence and rightwing organization made up of incometent louts, corrupts, senile and the unemployed.
RE:Why are Hindus so insecure?
by Simply Human on Jun 09, 2007 08:14 PM
By abusing the CMs and missionaries nothing can be gained. Hindus are afraid of action. They are too tightfisted to donate to create temples of the same standards as Churches and create social support infrastructure.
Instead Hindus like John Dayal and BC prefere to nitpick Xian scriptures and politicians and cry hoarse for calls of unity. The worst part is that these ppl are unwilling to discuss logically why such events occur and what can be done to change things. Instead they call for tolerance, violence and meaningless calls of unity.
RE:Why Andhra Hindus are so smug?
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 09, 2007 11:02 AM
I was reading an article written by PV Narshimarao (after he died it was reproduced in the Deccan Chronicle(?)), which he penned I think on the 50th anniversary of Indian independence.
It was a great article and it could capture spirit of nationalism in Andhra during those Nizam Days.
I remember he mentioned some songs which they used to Sing of DL Roy (who was very popular in bengal during nationalism days).
Today, you don't read much of Indian nationalism, or how people participated in those.
Those who write in ENglish press hardly know about those.
In vernacular press, I guess those are still cherished.
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=jain%2Fjain91.txt&writer=jai n
The current initiative of Sri Swarupanandendra Swami of the Visakhapatnam-based Sri Sarada Peetham to mobilise Hindu seers to protect dharma in the face of rising depredations by evangelists has not come a day too soon. While religious conversions are innately offensive, the rising political eminence of an Italian-born Roman Catholic has witnessed a corresponding growth of aggressive proselytising at famous Hindu pilgrimages and holy sites.
Ms Sonia Gandhi has reinforced missionary muscle by sponsoring the rise of Christians in Congress State Governments and party units on an unprecedented scale. Non-Christian Congress Chief Ministers have been made to acquiesce in missionary activities, and outrageously 'leaky' welfare schemes have been floated for the benefit of the tax-free NGO industry, most of which is anti-Hindu.
The latest affront to India's civilisational ethos comes from missionary activities at Tirumala and Simhachalam, where police were compelled to take the offending preachers into custody. This has forced the normally quiescent authorities of Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanam (TTD) to urge Chief Minister YS Rajasekhara Reddy to enact legislation to prohibit propaganda by non-Hindu faiths on the seven Tirumala hills, traditionally regarded as the sacred body of Sri Vishnu.
RE:Sacrilege at Tirupati hills
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 09, 2007 10:05 AM
It is inconceivable that the TTD authorities are unaware that the Chief Minister avidly promotes the activities of his Seventh Day Adventists sect, and has even built a church upon his family lands. They must be at the end of their tether to appeal to a proselytiser to respect their faith and ban physical and psychological encroachment upon their sacred spaces. The TTD is demanding a two-year jail term and fines for violating the law it wants enacted. It is pertinent that while the State Government does not permit panchayat elections in Tirumala in view of its spiritual eminence, predatory faiths are permitted a free run of the hills. It would, therefore, be in the fitness of things if the Government steps in before matters deteriorate further and declares all seven hills as the TTD zone, where politics or alien faiths cannot enter.
Actually, both conversion activities and willful trespass by missionaries upon the sacred spaces of other faiths can be prosecuted under Section 295-A of the Indian Penal Code, provided the authorities are willing to punish the offenders. It is undeniable that the determination to convert devotees of a faith(s) maligned as "false" by the proselytiser is an intentional insult to the said creed. This cannot be condoned and disguised as "freedom of religion" in order to facilitate the missionary agenda, which is almost wholly funded by Western Christian nations. Secondly and more seriously, deliberate intrusion into the holy spaces of other fai
RE:RE:Sacrilege at Tirupati hills
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 09, 2007 10:07 AM
Sadly, it is fairly certain that neither the UPA regime at the Centre nor the Congress State Governments will act to mitigate the victimisation of the Hindu community. Indeed, sinister plans are reportedly afoot to bolster the conversion industry by a backdoor capture of SC/ST reserved seats in Parliament and the State Assemblies, by surreptitiously making these available to converts (so-called Dalit Christians). This could seriously erode the political empowerment of historically deprived sections of Hindu society, and Bahujan Samaj Party leader Ms Mayawati would do well to take cognisance of this move to forge a new minority-based electoral vote-bank in Uttar Pradesh. Briefly, the National Commission for Religious and Linguistic Minorities (NCRLM) is currently (but quietly) seeking public opinion on extending "constitutional benefits" to SC/ST converts. In the prevailing reservation-prone atmosphere, I initially thought this meant that the UPA intended to include Dalit Christians in the SC/ST reservations in government jobs and educational institutions. Had this been the case, however, the issue could have been simply framed in such terms. The coy usage of the term "constitutional benefits," instead of specifying caste or community-based reservations, suggests that the NCRLM's real objective is to recommend a blanket extension of all constitutional benefits of Hindu SC/ST groups, to Dalit Christians. This will provide backdoor political reservations for Dalit Christians by
RE:RE:RE:Sacrilege at Tirupati hills
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 09, 2007 10:08 AM
The coy usage of the term "constitutional benefits," instead of specifying caste or community-based reservations, suggests that the NCRLM's real objective is to recommend a blanket extension of all constitutional benefits of Hindu SC/ST groups, to Dalit Christians. This will provide backdoor political reservations for Dalit Christians by helping them to contest from and grab the existing SC/ST parliamentary and Assembly seats.
This would be consistent with the UPA agenda of fragmenting the nation by privileging non-Hindu social groups. It also explains Ms Gandhi's indiscreet overtures to the Muslim community on the issue of reservations in Government (Andhra Pradesh's failed attempt), educational institutions (Aligarh Muslim University), and armed forces (Mr Sachar's infamous but aborted head count). Worse, like Minto-Morley, she recently instigated Muslims to demand greater representation in public life, which certainly suggests communal reservation in Parliament and the State Assemblies.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Sacrilege at Tirupati hills
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 09, 2007 10:09 AM
Of course, Ms Gandhi does not actually intend to empower the Muslim community. Repeating the familiar Western political subordination of Muslim communities all over the world, her intention is to create a Christian oligarchy in India, with Muslims serving as beasts of burden (captive vote-banks). Hence the mollycoddling of the Muslim community in a manner designed to raise the hackles of Hindus, with obvious repercussions for the 'winability' of Muslim candidates. This is expected to drive the community back into the Congress embrace. An NCRLM recommendation to extend SC/ST constitutional guarantees to converts will, therefore, mainly benefit the Christian community.
If there is no resistance to this diabolical scheme, Ms Gandhi could soon have a significant Christian lobby in Parliament, through a fraudulently procured amendment altering the basic structure of the Constitution. An East Timor-like situation could develop in any part of the country where Western Christian nations have a geo-strategic or purely economic interest. Their lust for the mineral-rich north-east predates independence and is fostered by insurgency movements backed by various church denominations.
