Panchkula afternoon 4pm, Friday , 28th dec. 2007 Sri B. Raman has listed in great detail the long and short of connivance of ISI and its collaboration with various sleeper cells of Talibans ,and Mullas in junior ranks and some senior Defence pwersonnel of Army , Intelligence and Airforce in GHQ in Rawalpindi. This is likely to create chaos if it is already not so, as horrific Murder of Mottarma Benazir last evening in Rawalpindi .More killings are likely at will by minions of Alqaeda, and Laskar's sustained by connivance by the ISI all these several yrs.Rangers and Sharp-shooters of Panjabi Army would not be able to stanch wounds that lacerated sensibilities of Sindhis , Baluchis and Pakhtoons have been violated,now ,long by authoritarian surveillance by Sadar Musharraf's friends in Army. It is high time Uncle Sam who sees Musharraf as a trusted ally in his war on terror on Al-Qaeda should think of some new strategy to save US reputation in Rump Pakistan lest like Benazir it meets the same gory and tragic end. D. Goel
When emergency was declared in Pakistan, it was a cover to carry out operations in Wazirstan to flush out militants inconvenient to Pakistan and USA. Somwone has mentioned in this forum that ISI is answerable to nobody. Its incorrect. ISI reports directly to CIA bypassing all Pakistani establishment/ departments. Maybe Benazir was eliminated by vested interests in CIA/ISI because a democratic/elected benazir would spill the beans of Wazirstan operations once she is elected, thereby exposing Musharraf. It would be very difficult to dislodge an elected leader. Therefore it was better to eliminate her.
If I guess it correct, there is a pie of the USofA in whatever happens in Pak. If Pakistan doesnot takes the democratic way at large, the US will make it like Iraq or Afganistan. One should observe that if there is peace, prosperity and progress everywhere, who will bow before the US. One more facts can be added in the article above, Any such incident has (directly or indirectly) some link with the US of A....
what on earth the Indian Intelligence agencies are doing?
It was well known that the US propped up Benazir as a democratic option after eliciting from her that she would support the US. US also has taken the views of India and convinced Benazir that she should take favourable stand towards the new US ally India and settle the Kashmir problem. She said yes to both.
Now the grand plan vanished into thin air just before 264 hours (all that she had to do was survive for another 11 days).
Even after Karachi when the threat was known, what the hell the Indian Intelligence agencies were doing? twiddleing their thums? They should have penetrated and provided cover to Benazir particularly when Musharraf is loosening the cover around her. KEEP WAIT
It was not Taliban or AlQaeda who killed Benazir. IT was Paks intelligence agencies or its factions with the tacit support of Musharraf and Army.
How on earth two men wielding visibly big AK-47s can go near Benazirs SUV?
It was Musharrafs administration that loosened the security cover and allowed them to go near her. This was their last chance.
All than Benazir has to do was to survive for another 11 days i.e 264 hours. Had she survived those 264 hours she would have become the PM and would have created her security. Then it would be beyond anyone to reach her. That explains why the bomber carried AK-47 besides suicide belt filled with explosives. This time they can not lose the opportunity like that in Karachi.
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by sandeep sulakhe on Dec 28, 2007 04:00 PM
"Even after Karachi when the threat was known, what the hell the Indian Intelligence agencies were doing? twiddleing their thums? They should have penetrated and provided cover to Benazir particularly when Musharraf is loosening the cover around her. "
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by Kabeer on Dec 28, 2007 04:05 PM
Dear Sandeep,
Intelligence agencies work that way!
India being a neighbour has a natural advantage of knowing the counrty very well.
Now keep waiting for another decade or so to settle the Kashmir issue and the terrorist sleeper cell in your country.
It is difficult to Musharraf to publicly accuse that Benazir is having cover from RAW. It will boomrang on him. He has to keep silent particularly when this operation has the sanction and support of the CIA and the US.
Now see all your investment going down the drain and wait for another decade.
Indian intelligence agencies now are not what they were in 60s and 70s. THey are as sophiscticated and have resources just a notch less than the western agencies.
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by Hebbar R on Dec 28, 2007 05:19 PM
With the kind of penetration of the so many terror groups in the Pak establishment, it would have been difficult for Benazir to survive even if she had become the PM of Pakistan. Atleast that is what this article seems to indicate.
If this article is right (and there is no reason to doubt that), Mush may also be a victim soon. Pity is that these guys have created a franekstein and now they have lost control.
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by Raj on Dec 28, 2007 09:46 PM
if you go to pakistani newspaper websites you will see paki people writing such nonsense. he is just carrying on their legacy into indian websites. go and see Dawn newspaper website, peoples comment is as senseless as Kabeer's, i think they are living in a dream. poor fellow
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by milind bapat on Dec 28, 2007 04:07 PM
Dear friend Kabir there are enough problems in hand for our intelligence agencies apart from providing cover to benazir bhutto.
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by sss on Dec 28, 2007 04:15 PM
Kabeer I think u are not normal after the blast.If u want u can come to Banglore for treatment...leave RAW
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by Kabeer on Dec 28, 2007 04:26 PM
I am very much normal dear sss!
You guys are not realising that you could have protected the goose that would have laid golden eggs for you for the next five years!
Now keep pumping your tax payers money into that bottomless pit called Kashmir till you find a friendly face in Pak to settle that problem.
Intelligence agencies all oeve the world work that way to protect its original countryu's interests. You are not protecting Benazr, you are protecting your countrys interests.
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by pariksh on Dec 28, 2007 04:02 PM
what the hell ur talkin abut? y should indian agencies provide cover to benzir? is she ur mother? if no then shut it n back off idiot dont blame india for benzir's death blame urself for her death cuz u were hiding behind doors when she was killed
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by Kabeer on Dec 28, 2007 04:10 PM
She is not my mother!
She is your Kamadhenu!
With she gone now you guys have to wait for antoher decade for a friendly face to emerge in Pak to settle your Kashmir dispute. Till then you guys have to pour money into that bottomless pit!
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by Dhanesh MS on Dec 28, 2007 04:28 PM
Tributes to Ms. Bhutto. Was terrified to hear the news.
And now lemme reply to your comment dear friend.
Unlike Pakistan, we have enough money to put into that bottomless pit. And that too without affecting the economy. And... Eventhough we would love to have a friendly relationship with Pakistan, we could very well do without it also.
Understand one thing. It won't take us more than a week to convert Pakistan into a barren desert. Please dont make us do it. Even our mercy has limits...
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by Kabeer on Dec 28, 2007 04:45 PM
Your guys dont ever tell you what you could have been but for that Kashmir investment. For the stability that you have and the continous growth and unfailing monsoons, had it been some other nation, IT WOULD HAVE GIVEN ITS CITIZENS THE STANDARD OF LIVING OF THE WEST BY NOW! Huge population still notwithstanding!
You never know what you lost because you neve had it but could have had it!
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by Dhanesh MS on Dec 29, 2007 12:53 PM
Dear Kabir,
I suggest you to consult a good doctor in NIMHANS, Bangalore. It is one of the best mental hospitals in Asia. It seems that the shock of Ms.Bhutto's was too much for you.
You seriously appear mentally ill to all of us Indians.
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by Demo-crazy on Dec 28, 2007 04:23 PM
Interesting argument! Has any country done this kind of a thing before? WHat would have her opponents called her, had RAW been involved in her security? A stooge of India? Good enough to sway all voters towards PML-Q or Fundamentalist parties? Grow up, brother!
Why did not the PPP invest in a bulletproof car or bullet proof vest for her? Knowing pretty well how she escaped the previous attempt?
I believe the Pak agencies and Musharraf probably did NOT want her. So they deliberately downgraded her security. Also, did you notice how quickly the entire area was washed? So, there were attempts to clean up any evidence. WHY?
Finally, Pakistanis have to decide whether they want a peaceful life or violent Islamic Talibani or Al-Qaeda kind of rulers. India will defend itself when it is necessary.
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by Kabeer on Dec 28, 2007 04:40 PM
Dear Democrazy,
Just cover her for 264 hours (11 days till Jan 8 and disappear silently afterwards!) No body believes even some say RAW is protecting her. It happens worldwide. CIA did that. An ISRAEL's MOSSAD would have done that!
SHe obviously had a bulled proof vest. That is why she was shot at temple and in head.
Bullet proof vests can not protect you against RDX blast!
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by Indigo on Dec 28, 2007 05:15 PM
what? do you think that benazir would have taken a soft stand about Kashmir against India? she would have changed like musharraff has after regaining power. US would have no options in that case. Trust a trustworthy. In such a case Indias money would have been lost protecting Benazir and preventing infiltration in Kashmir
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by suva aich on Dec 28, 2007 04:31 PM
@ kabeer, u must not undermine the reach of the perpratators. They even almost succeded eliminating musharaf in his own backyard. do u really think inidan intellegence would be able to protect benazir in pakistan from ISI and musharaf?? no way man! and yes we all in south asia have to now pay for absence of moderate leadership in pakistan created by banazir's deperture.
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by Kabeer on Dec 28, 2007 04:36 PM
Dear Suva,
Just cover her for 264 hours (only 11 days till Jan 8th) that is all needed! Musharraf loosened the cover around her. Otherwise how on earth two men weilding unhideable AK-47s go near her?
Professional intelligence agencies can do that.
Put simply, as ISRAEL's MOSSAD could have done that, instead of waiting its people suffer for a decade more!
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by AS Jagannatha on Dec 28, 2007 04:23 PM
How can India interfere in PAK's internal security problems? It is the responsibility of president who was grabbed the power from democratic government. He is whole and sole responsible for Benazir%u2019s end like this.
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by Kabeer on Dec 28, 2007 04:32 PM
Fine.
Then you keep watching your cultivated goose that would have laid golden eggs for you go dying.
Intelligence agencies job is to protect its own countries interests. Penentrate and provide cover to Benazir for just another 11 days i.e 264 hours! Then once she is the PM she can protect herself. Then just comeback to your country and just disappear!
That is how intelligence agencies work worldover!
Musharraf can not shout Benazir has taken RAWs protection. His people would pooh pooh it as a statement of jeolousy. Besides your operation would have the tacit blessing of the US.
Put simply, an ISRAEL's MOSSAD would have done that!
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by debmalya mitra on Dec 28, 2007 05:11 PM
y dont u be the friendly face in pakistan for india and solve all these problems? if u know everything y don't u start implementing instead of blabbering here?
Damn, after reading all this, I wonder what kind of country has Pakistan become! Its so scary..Its breaking down to become another Afganistan.. Am so lucky to live in India..
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by Gautam Sinha on Dec 28, 2007 04:10 PM
Good Morning - for it seems you just woke up . Remember Pak's greatest exports to the world - Terrorism,computer virus and Islamic nuclear bomb. And we are lucky to live in India witohut doubt. But it is time we became much more alert as such a terrible neighbour in such instability will not be good for us. To survive and keep their nationality alive they will need to make an external enemy to keep themselves united and India will be the name they will take. So expect some more chunk of their budget to be spent on formenting trouble in India.
RE:Sad
by Demo-crazy on Dec 28, 2007 05:35 PM
Let us remember that appeasement and bending before such extremist elements on religious grounds will always bring more violence.
UPA and communists should realize this and check their policies.
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by Amit Arora on Dec 28, 2007 04:09 PM
We are really lucky to live in India and not in failed state like Pak. However the irony is ....people who supported Pak as seprate country from India in 1947........still trying to split India (even though this time they wont succeed). I dont know what the hell they will do with the seprate country like Pak. People from Kashmir specially should understand this and should avoid our sisters & brothers becoming puppet of Extrimist & Terrorist there. They wont work for humanbeings, they just want to become GOD by using the name of GOD. They take decisions as they are the GOD.........however even every (True) hindu, muslim, etc know that what GOD likes.
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by chandrashekar nayak on Dec 28, 2007 04:03 PM
They will. It is just a matter of time.Mush will meet the same fate as that of Ms Bhutto and hundreds of thousands of innocent Indian Civillians and our brave soldiers.
