Those who criticize the wording of a song in which MOCHI word has been used against SUNAR ,it appears have empty tops. This is not a derogatory expression and nothing to do with good or bad. It is simply a matter of precision which the writer had compared. A mochi strikes nails and repairs shoes do his work with heavy hand on leather on the anvil while a SUNAR has to do work with pricize tools and work on Metals including Gold to make ornaments. This all hue and cry is nothing but a cheap publicity stunt. R.N.WATTS CALIFORNIA USA
RE:Aaja Nachle
by on Dec 02, 2007 10:48 AM
Ok I am empty tops. There you go buddy!!
Now let me tell you which has happened to me. The guy did not knew that I belong to BC and he is talking about some other couple, where to make his point he says wife is beautiful and the husband looks BC.
Now you tell me is there anything wrong in calling me BC. NO. But obviously some of your friends don't think so. To them it is a word which can be used in derogatory sense.
The point made someone here is that someone is trying to say "Hey mochi, stay in your caste and don't try to become sunar", implicitly saying sunar is better then mochi. I would not have any qualms if you call a mochi, mochi but to say that in sneering and almost insidious way is what we are talking about.
Rest said we are all just freakin human beings. Its the religion caste color money that has divided us, and whether it is mayawati or modi, sonia or lalu, bush or bin laden, we are just playing in their games. Ultimately we the people are going to be losers not them. Do you want to play in their hands? The help is joining the nation and not dividing.
Dont let him off... people like him are only leading to bad name for other right thinking forward castes. I wont mind if this person is jailed for a few years.
Everythig is derogatory to those who have a derogatory mind without self-respect.People are ashamed opf their own profession.Who will value any one who has not self esteem and respect for his own profession.Every one is aware that they are in derogatory professions .they have it for concession only.,It is not derogatory to avail oneself of concessions on the basis of derogatory professionamd agitae fopr inclusion in the list of castes they themselves consider derogatory.Only othere should not mention the name of the castes!
RE:Biggest Enemy of Hinduism...
by ved prakash on Dec 02, 2007 09:08 AM
that is very good.soon we will have only dalits every where in fortresses of political power,Government administration,black money,land grabs and all non dalits should be done away the way germans did for jews or saddam removed all his opponents.Let the nation be renamed Dalitistan,If you can't kill large no. put them in solitary confinements or isoaltion wards.This country was ruled for no dalits for many years now the time has come for all dalits to seize power.Jai bheem jai Maya Jai Dalitistan
RE:Biggest Enemy of Hinduism...
by MGR Fan on Dec 02, 2007 08:51 AM
DALITS are in a far worse condition in Pakistan, Bangladesh, what you have to say about that?
Caste system is existing even among Indian Christians. Perhaps you may not know but Japan had its own caste system (AINUS).
The problem is not with one religion, because we find around India, there are many countries following other religions which are even in worser shape than India.
Education and economic growth is what our society needs, not fault finding.
It is not the word MOCHI, it is the word BHEE that ascribed meanness of stature to the word MOCHI. MISHRA wrote MOCHI bhee KHUD KO SUNAR which suggests meanness to the word MOCHI which certainly is objectionable.
Mishra doesnot morally defenseless in this matter. Honourable way to accept the mistake and delete those lines with immediate effect and offer regrets.
RE:IT IS NOT THE WORD-mochi- IT IS THE WORD-bhee-THAT ASCRIBED MEANNESS TO THE WORD mochi
by ved prakash on Dec 02, 2007 09:10 AM
tilak taraju aur talwar inko maro joote chhar
The caste/'profession' gets defined by birth and worst still since India does not have the concept of dignity of labor, certain professions got labelled as extremely lower category. People who were born into families practicing these professions were then forced to lead a life full of insults, humilition, fear, opression and torture. If they were talented in other areas (more cushy professions) then opportunities were stolen from them, unjustly, causing mental anguish, pain and emotional truma not to forget extreme poverty. Haven't you read about the story of Eklayva from Mahabharata? It's a shamelful event and Guru Drona must have been a first class racist who would have put Hitler to shame.
RE:How the caste system hurts crorers of Indians
by MGR Fan on Dec 02, 2007 08:47 AM
ANyway read mahabharata and you will know how Drona died in the battlefield. And he died fighting against his own favourite disciple right?
That is the message of Hindu epics, you get punished for your misdeeds. I think you dint catch the message..
RE:How the caste system hurts crorers of Indians
by Kumar on Dec 01, 2007 11:55 PM
Now even when someone from the lower caste gets into a better profession or business (like Dr. Ambedkar did) the people from upper caste having bigoted mindset cannot tolerate this. Very strangely, instead of feeling joys that fellow citizens are getting out of poverty and misery, these bigoted individual continue to taunt, hurt and insult even innocent people. When the bigots do these evil acts, not once do they considor how wrong and unjust their acts are. Why? Becuase bigotry and racism have made them like animals, feeling no compassion, empathy and having no lack of justice. They cry about the Mughal atrocities on Hindus but show no sensitivity to their own atrocities of many more native Indians. Shame!
RE:How the caste system hurts crorers of Indians
by MGR Fan on Dec 02, 2007 08:50 AM
This piyush mishra does not represent crores of other upper castes of present day India of 2007... just as one dawood ibrahim does not represent millions of Indian muslims.
Try to understand the fact that you cannot generalise a entire population based on acts of some individuals. Hitler used to do that and you know the end result right?
RE:How the caste system hurts crorers of Indians
by ved prakash on Dec 02, 2007 09:16 AM
IF only it was merit in rise of professions.The realty is gross incompetent people keep on rising till retirements in coveted jobs setting poor standards of in work culture discipline and organisational structure,dalit entering a lowest ladder with low level of qualifications keeps rising bypassin everyone else till he has got to retire ,by that time he is much more equal among equals and owns property and assets unimagined in his or any non dalits lifetime .God Bless caseism.Same is even more true for so called backward classes.
RE:RE:How the caste system hurts crorers of Indians
by Deepak Joshi on Dec 27, 2007 12:46 AM
its a shame that we have this caste system. its rooted so deep that we can see how much this second generation of dalit cast in new india hate others. its all because of the of opression by others for centuries..
These guys have an utter lack of empathy, compassion and sensitivity. God's chosen people? Well, this concept was invented in the middle east so you know from which country the people claiming to be 'God's chosen people' migrated from.
The problem is that this guy (Mishra) is a bramin and because of this idiot, the normal common man of this caste will be condemned and get more bad name.
My question is why you idiot (Mishra) should put other millions of other forward castes in trouble, these are the millions of normal people who dont discriminate dalits, why should we get blamed for what you did? Better you apologise, anyway we dont need any songs.
RE:Funny
by Ramesh Kapoor on Dec 01, 2007 09:35 PM
Just like your name, which translated means: Shanni and can be derogatory when used with Rahu and Ketu and brings evil spells. Saturn is not a bad word, indeed.
