Here are some key points which proponents of reservation very convinently forget and make a mokery of reservation and affirmative action.
1>> Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar the champion of backword classes had very clearly said in the constitution that the reservation policy be only followed for 10 years and then it be discontinued. But since it became a case of "Who will bell the cat" , it has been extended so many times last 60 years.
2>> When Reservation for SC, ST, BC's were proposed it was directly related to untouchability and untouchables. Hence reservations were given to communities of SC, ST and BC's. Due to the political pressure of TN politicians a totally new OBC class was invented. There was no mention of OBC's in the constitution , it was a totally new invention. Several affulent and agri rich communities were brought under the OBC classes when convinently forgeting OBC's were never untouchables and Dalits.
3>> All the ire of reservations was directed against the caste system in Hinduism. Then how was the reservations extended to Buddhists, Christians and Muslims..?? When did Christinity , Buddisim and Islam start to have castes system??? what is a dalit christian ??? if he is a christian then how can he be a dalit ?? Isnt someone missing or convinently forgetting the meaning of being a christian ???
4>>If you take the number of elected representatives in India , The corporators , The MLA's , The MP's , the ministers and the list of Chief Misters. You will nowhere find any Brahmins now. Infact you will find Either the caste upper castes like Khastriyas, Marathas, Yadavs, OBC's in these top posts. Even Police or government officers you hardly see any Brahmins nowdays. Populationwise Brahmins do not even have the 3 % mark, then where is the need of the anti Brahmin movement??? How or where do the "opress" someone to vent out the crocodile tears ??
5>> In areas of Business, Trade , Commerce, Entrepreneurship and Self Employment the Gujrathi, Jain, Marwadi, Agrawal, Bania, Sikh, Punjabi and Sindhi communities rule the roost. They with their family business type of structure, hard work and dedication run and own most of the small and medium business in the country and infact controll a large part of the ecconomy. Also their population also does exceed in anyways the 5 to 8 % mark. Most of the employment is also generated by them and their businesses. So isnt someone totally overlooking something ???
Tommorrow someone can say why is this community rich and why does this commmunity own all the businesses if he sees the caste wise ecconomic trends.
6>>I think we need to abolish reservations totally in all sectors. It would serve better if we exclude the caste and sub caste column totally in our birth certificates and School certificates. So no one knows his caste and no one writes his caste also. when there is no official record keeping of castes significane of castes and religion will cease to exist and it will be a personal affair and religion will be a personal prerogrative.
Otherwise its Brahmins then it will be the Kshatriyaas and Marathas, then it will be the other upper castes, then it will be the OBC's.
Turning a majority against a targetted minority can occur with any caste and community, so others Need NOT keep their eyes shut and bask in oblivion.
Today its Brahmins, tommorrow it will be somebody else too.
There is nothing called as OBC, there are no backward castes only backward people who cant think straight. Caste system will fall automatically with open society and increasing prosperity, govt. does not have to divide the society on basis of caste. Reservations are a disgrace to humanity and a stamp on the benefitting person that he/she is incompetent coward , a parasite. Reservation isnt about undoing the injustice of past but a cold and calculating political move for vote gain. We have had lots of past injustice by Muslim rulers and the Brits too so why doesent the govt. try to undo this injustice ? cos these are safe votebanks. NO RESERVATIONS, it kills the self esteem of good people and turns them into beggars.
RE:Seperate statehood
by abhishek chauhan on Apr 29, 2007 06:21 PM
by the way which party is it...?.. india is most divided country...from all contexts..!. n u r lukin forward to some more S***. well done, carry torch of english strategy..!
RE:Hinduism
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 28, 2007 04:42 AM
Hinduism alas has become a mask for Casteism, but it not 'ONLY' that but bit more. There is Vedanta philocophy with not even a trace of caste in it, there are Upanishads and probably many other works with no reference to caste. Ofcourse most of the other scriptures refer to caste. Hinduism also had many reformers who worked against caste and either became a separate religion (like Buddhism, Jainism) or a separate caste themselves! Likewise Christianity have hundreds of sects and so does Islam. The political consolidation of OBC, DMK, Yadav parties and now BSP is a healthy development which consolidates multitudes of weak sub-castes into broader and stronger grouping. This is essential for better social and even economic development, for it reduces social inequality. Translating this political and social positive to Constitutional amendment may just be the classical overreach. They say the road to 'Constitutional' hell is paved with good political intentions!
"Regretfully, the Supreme Court decision has at best delayed the inevitable, " - Mr. Ram Kelkar......There is a good chance that in the light of the deep social divides Quota is likely to cause, probably far bigger than Mandal fallouts, and further alienation of middle classes from political structure, thereby having a long term deep security impact as the very idea of nationalism would get redefined for the younger generation, SC may adjudicate in favour of quota annulment. The premises for quota are based on weak foundation of discriminatory development. The investments required for addressing social equity are far greater and need different kinds of platform including adult education, universal literacy, scholarship etc and at the same time not compromise the values of excellence and equality. What is more worrisome is the adverse impact it would have against Hindu Dharma. These are deep issues which may be serving the political objectives of DMK, Communists, and Caste based parties, but sadly turn Constitution into a divisive instrument.
RE:SC is more likely to abolish Quota Raj
by Sanjeev Verma on Apr 28, 2007 02:13 AM
I appeal to Aryasamajis to become little bit aggressive. Aryasamaj is not about doing Havans and opening DAV colleges.-Hold demonstartion before Hindu temples worshipping monkey (Hanuman was not monkey but a Yogi) and elephant gods, Challenge orthodox Hindus for religious debates as Dayanand did in his life time, Confront orthodox Hindu priests, Take the message of Dayanand to the masses, Get rid of birth based Caste system, Superstitions and Idol worship. Let every Hindu come back to the true Vedic Religion. If we do not do this then this Hindu society will be destroyed and torn into pieces. Make sure that no one worships in these so called Hindu temples. Probably we can use our ancient temples as tourist attractions--like ancient Greek temples.
Go back to Vedas!
Sanjeev
PS: Baba Ramdevji is also Aryasamaji and he is already doing a great job by taking the message of Mahrarishi to masses. Aryasamaj: http://aryasamaj101.googlepages.com/home2
Mr Kelkar quotes Brinda Karat's opposition! But do you know, that West Bengal Govt have NOT implemented Mandal Comission?
That's a gigantic fraud , isn't it?
OBC is a politically constructed Caste. A Yadav, to which clan Lord Krishna belonged CAN NEVER BE SOCIALLY BACKWARD.
Due to electoral politics, whoever came to power kept on adding one after another group as OBC. That's how now some 80% people in TN are treated as OBC.
The whole OBC reservation should be junked. Only it should be available to SC/STs.
RE:Mr Kelkar quotes Brinda Karat's opposition! But do you know, that West Bengal Govt have NOT implemented Mandal Comission?
by Sanjeev Verma on Apr 28, 2007 02:15 AM
I appeal to Aryasamajis to become little bit aggressive. Aryasamaj is not about doing Havans and opening DAV colleges.-Hold demonstartion before Hindu temples worshipping monkey (Hanuman was not monkey but a Yogi) and elephant gods, Challenge orthodox Hindus for religious debates as Dayanand did in his life time, Confront orthodox Hindu priests, Take the message of Dayanand to the masses, Get rid of birth based Caste system, Superstitions and Idol worship. Let every Hindu come back to the true Vedic Religion. If we do not do this then this Hindu society will be destroyed and torn into pieces. Make sure that no one worships in these so called Hindu temples. Probably we can use our ancient temples as tourist attractions--like ancient Greek temples.
Go back to Vedas!
Sanjeev
PS: Baba Ramdevji is also Aryasamaji and he is already doing a great job by taking the message of Mahrarishi to masses. Aryasamaj: http://aryasamaj101.googlepages.com/home2
At the end of the day, India is still the country that gives us ample opportunity to feel ashamed about ourselves as Indians. Very little has been done lately by our rulers to make us feel prowd.
People have all the time and energy for vandalism when Valentine's day is being celebrated or Richard Gere kisses Shilpa Shetty. Where were all those people when daughters of my country were murdered in the name of dowry? Who's effigy were they burning when our farmers committed suicide?
I often wonder who is it, that the young javan spills his blood for? Why don't we have reservations in the military where most of the officers are upper caste? Why should they sacrifice their future for a country that is hell bent on making sure that their kids compete only for the half the resources. It begs the question, is it even worth it? The way it is being worked out, it seems as though with reservations the only place left for the general category is in the military. This way when the Pakistanis come to kill us, only 'General Category' blood is spilt while 'Reserved Categotry' carries on with their corruption in government jobs and gets fat. (General JJSingh, Admiral Mehta and Air Marshal Major: I really respect you a lot but do you really think that the people you and your organizations dedicate your lives for, care about your future? What kind of a country are you trying to protect?; Doctor Kalam: You are my hero, but can you really shut Arjun Singh up? Do you really believe in the people that run your government?)
All those upholders of Indian culture need to be reminded that culture is not what our elders told us about. Culture is what defines and guides our life. If the men in our streets whistle at women, that's our culture. If we go about killing each other at the slightest sign of provocation, that's our culture. Who the hell cares what Rama did or where the temple stands if the ordinary people cannot get basic education and health care. All that money wasted on building mandirs and masjids or on Haj subsidies would rather be used to set up a new IIT or hospital.
For all those who believe that merit is the only decider, let me remind you that India has already disowned us. We really need to ask ourselves the question: Should I be paying my taxes to the Govt. of Inida so that its politicians can suck them out and celebrate their kids bithdays? Even if they were feeding hungry mouths, are these not mouths that spat on us in the first place? Instead, we are better off becoming citizens of another country where you will be judged on the basis of your skills. Where your taxes go towards your medicare when you grow older. The World Bank has made great predictions for India so you need not worry. Our future is what needs attention. India has already disowned us and does not care about us. At least we should therefore worry about our own future to prevent the "brain in the drain". As 'General Category' and middle class, we are already second class citizens in our own country. Might as well be second class citizens with wealth. It is time for us to leave India behind and build a new mother land; just like our ancestors once came to this country to make it their home. One is going to be way happier by moving to the US/UK and boasting about India's rich heritage rather than live in India and experiencing its atrophy. It is almost like we need to start another Quit India movement for those who believe in merit as success (or access to resources) seems to be more dependent on which woumb we slithered out of.
