The main Problem is with both Muslims and the French government.
The Second and Third Generation of Muslims have never seen their arab country of origin, and they know only france where they are born and brought up, in french schools and french environment. When these french arabs are viewed as non-french by the french people, its sure french arabs get inferior in France itself. This is surely a concerned matter.
French arabs also should understand the french people and cooperate and integrate. The main problems of the immigrant arabs are that they do not follow higher schools are higher education which opens their prospects for jobs, Education should be encouraged by the French gov. to the poor Arabs or other immigrants and give professional guidance and assistance for them to realize the ambition and dream in themselves.
Racism exists everywhere; from European Football ground to corporative board-rooms. The may be more in the continental Europe but they are no less in other places. But in France it is bad and one wants to admit it. There is no LN Mittal or Stelios Haji-Ioannou in France just to give an example in other direction.
As we live in Paris for third year now, we never felt we are welcomed here. The colour of your skin and sharpness of your nose matters. The close French family bond system makes it more complicated for new comers to make real French Friend. Comparing with US it is very different as there are lots f European who themselves are first or second generation immigrant and they are at the same boat like others. Well hope with growing economic power of China and other Asian country this will face off .
How can we complain about RACISM ??? I believe caste-based racism and caste-based politics exist in it's worst form in Andhra Pradesh where i hail from. It is very unfortunate that education has done nothing to stop this institutionalisation of caste-system. It exists at a deeper level in educational institutions as well. People from the Andhra region (Vijayawada,Guntur, Vizag etc) will be able to confer with me when i say that even students in colleges are divided among themselves based on their caste. The problem lies with the older generation which brainwashes the kids about their caste. This casteism among Andhras has become so severe that in the United States, there are two Telugu associations - TANA(Telugu association of North America) and ATA(American Telugu association), each one patronised by a particular caste.There is one particular experience i would like to talk about.One of my class-mates in college told me that he watches a particular actor's movies as he belongs to the same caste as his and he hates a particular actor as he is from a different caste.It was kind of a cultural shock to me because the place where i hail from (Tirupati), caste is not much of an issue
Muslims do need to change their view about today's world. Talking about a few misguided people would include quite a few countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Bangladesh, but still to Muslims, these a re a few misguided people. Open your eyes, it is the Muslims immigrant population which creates most of the trouble. Obvioulsy no religion is wrong, but the interpretation by people makes the followers good or bad and in most cases Muslims do turn out in bad light. Muslims should themselves evaluate before challenging others, because no religion's God is supreme. Understand this basic rule and then I guess you would be a true follower of Islam or whatever religion you follow. Forcing people by Jihad and orthodox views does not make peace but aggravates the situation to an explosive extent. Learn to adapt rather than to fight all the time. Even in your replies you have fought back rather than logically analysing the message. The leaders(mullahs) should be competent enough to lead rather than to preach supremacy of God whom they have never heard or seen. By the way I have not included the North African countries which are also in Islamic turmoil. Live and let live.
when u say u were called madrasis while living in delhi .. why don't u forget u guys calling every other guy who is from up above calling northie n saying lot of things abt (don't deny it i myslef live in bangalore been to chennai where people deny to talk in anything other than tamil). n if u were not saying that why u want thing to b mentioned in ur post. is this shows racism rooted in you? no ... basically as normal people have intertia so don't want things around us to change ... so when we u reply to posts please b conscious to these facts
Suddenly the professor becomes incompetent when pointed out that muslims are unhappy in spite of the french government making harder efforts to integrate muslims. Everybody knows that muslims will integrate only in muslim societies. In any other society, they will only create problems. The only way to make muslims happy is to convert everybody to islam by hook or crook, and make the country islamic nation where the law of the mullahs prevail. Everyday muslim terrorists attack some part of the world, even then muslims keep repeating that they are a "isolated misguided group of muslims". Your "isolated misguided group of muslims" have killed millions and millions of people around the world, and for your information, a considerable portion of those killed are Indians.
RE:muslims are the cause
by muzafar on Jan 15, 2006 08:01 PM
Well you seem to have deep grudge against muslims, as you said muslims have killed millions and millions in the world that seems fanatastic way of thinking like narendra modi's way. do you no hindu had killed hindu in india, I am shocked at the way you think about muslims, well I believe that Islam is the only religion in the world that is democratic in real senses what American can't do in 250 years of history(equality irrespective of color etc), Islam already had those values from the past 1426 years. You seem to have inferiority complex from muslims as you couldn't even win a single war with muslims in Indai in the past 1000 years of muslim rule, now your frustration comes out in the form of POGROMS your govt. plans in india targeting womens and children.
Re: RE:muslims are the cause
by rohit punia on Jun 08, 2010 12:33 AM
My friend, India was not ruled by muslims, India was looted by muslim rulers. There barbarism had no answer in the world. Before the earliest invasion in 1190 by Mohmd Ghouri, India was never one state, it was a group of independent states, if it was a state,there could have never been a chance that invasions like such have occured. It's the ill fate of India that after the shining era of King Ashoka, Chandrgupt and other great hindu kings never came a day when country was united. You talk about winning a war, did u forget the 1971 when 90,000 Paki soldiers had to surrender in front of the majestic Indian army. Still i believe in a society where no religion obscures the path of peace and brotherhood. That can happen only when muslims stop thinking that they are supreme.
Re: Re: RE:muslims are the cause
by Hari on Jul 28, 2011 12:08 PM
Muzafar Well Well look who's here. Typical of u. Thinking you are awesome but when at the receiving end cry foul and talk about atrocity. Tell us how many muslim country allows non muslims to live in dignity??????? None of the so called muslim activists who talk against attacks on muslims in west have nothing to say about the atrocities against non muslims in islamic countries where even the govt doesnt do much unlike west. And you talk about equality in islam. Psst dont try to fool people. Arabs consider indian muslims inferior. Ask people working in middle east.Same about Turks. Now you will talk about caste in india. But dont forget caste is more severe in Muslims than in hinduism, a fact said by Bhim rao ambedkar himself. So muslims should first look at themselves before pointing others. And regarding winning wars against muslim rule read about marathas, sikhs,.... or maybe you din complete school lolz
Re: Re: RE:muslims are the cause
by Hari on Jul 28, 2011 12:08 PM
Muzafar Well Well look who's here. Typical of u. Thinking you are awesome but when at the receiving end cry foul and talk about atrocity. Tell us how many muslim country allows non muslims to live in dignity??????? None of the so called muslim activists who talk against attacks on muslims in west have nothing to say about the atrocities against non muslims in islamic countries where even the govt doesnt do much unlike west. And you talk about equality in islam. Psst dont try to fool people. Arabs consider indian muslims inferior. Ask people working in middle east.Same about Turks. Now you will talk about caste in india. But dont forget caste is more severe in Muslims than in hinduism, a fact said by Bhim rao ambedkar himself. So muslims should first look at themselves before pointing others. And regarding winning wars against muslim rule read about marathas, sikhs,.... or maybe you din complete school lolz
The Muslim mullah & Marxism are certainly outdated. What equality, fraternity or liberty chance did the victims of the French Rev have other than seeing their heads roll? And to glorify the day the Bastille was stormed (criminals out)! Politicians are fit to babble never to govern. They are totally out of control the world over when it comes to good governance. Most babble in foreign affairs when their interior burns. The need of the hour is to look to the collective needs of their own country men in absolute sincerity.its time men of morality were given a chance to lead their countries. But getting them to do so is another matter, for them it stinks. Years of letting the unscrupulous rule has brought in a serious malaise into the system. A true clean-up, transparency, is essential. Lets take a good look of how Norway ticks. What is the state of their morality, how healthy is their pulse rate. Their environment laws, the enforcement of their laws. Why are they cool? Surely their god must be good.to give them abundance.in peace and tranquilitywhen there is hell all around!
I agree with Prof Ranganathan's observation about the possible longterm solution for the unrest and violence in France and everywhere else. The question is in most of the so called "developed world" its a fact that capitalism overrides democracy and everything else. forget about egalitarian society.
Re: Rioting in France
by Hari on Jul 28, 2011 12:19 PM
Ok so why do people leave their country of origin to these "capatilist" countries? Iv seen people sell of land and their house just to pay people who would help them get to devoloped countries. Dont tell me that it's real good to be living in libya or somalia or bangldeash or vietnam than in france.
Dear Editor, France made a great blunder in admitting the Muslim population as they are guided by orthodox and militant muslim leaders. Unless the ordinary Muslims are given best education they will never mingle with the society and they will be deprived of their privileges and rights. The so called Mullahs are still living in the 8th century and they do not want any rational and radical changes among their community and they still want to impose the outdated and barbaric laws. The Muslim community creates problems everywhere in the world including USA and other western countries. This is not applicable to other communities who migrated to other countries from India as they respect the laws of the nation. However, once the Muslims receive modern education and they will respect and accept others until then we have to face all these problems.
RE:Many are unhappy in France
by sadia on Dec 22, 2005 12:02 PM
Mr. Thomas How can u say that Musims are guided by orthodox and militant muslim leader?
how can u blame that Musims follow barbaric laws This is simply ridiculous to post a message like this..
If you have courage to write a religion barbaric and you believe in your religion than as accept a challenge from me
Go through our religion Islam deeply with an un bias mind than compare Islam with any other religion in this worldI know you will definitely change your view and you
Will be shamed of what you have written.
And if dont you accept this challenge, simply belive that you follow a religion that is only followed by foolish and crazy people.
Keep in mind just because of few misguided Muslim u cant blame whole community.
Re: RE:Many are unhappy in France
by Hari on Jul 28, 2011 12:16 PM
Ok sadia You dont follow barbaric lwas. Fine. Can you tell the reason why even the muslim personal law board endorsed the fatwa issued to imrana??????? she was raped by her father in law and instead of punishing him they told her to marry him. How absurd is that?Every religion has it's own crappy laws which not relevant in modern days. But if u guys says all these are what id said by god and follow it then sorry you are living in dark
RE:Many are unhappy in France
by Fuehrer on Jan 12, 2006 09:28 PM
I fully agree with Mr. Thomas, these people will give 1001 excuses like attributing their failure in education etc to society. I want to ask that if some Kind of discrimination is stopping them from progresing, then why don't Muslims progress in countries like Saudi Arabia and other Muslim Shiekhdoms which are 100% muslim nations? They can feel discriminated as they claim, only in those countries where they do not have a majority, but where they are in majority, there too their condition is the same when it comes to education. Gulf countries have no skilled labor force, they have to import it from India, and it's really a shame that inspite having so much money they can't invest it for the education of their people. The truth is that Muslim people don't have any appetite for education and they have invented many excuses to defend their failure. Don't fall in their trap! How does Israel-Palestine isssue stop a Muslim, say from Bangladesh or Indonesia from progressing? This one liner Palestine-Israel argument has become too trite now or better I should say it has become jaded by it's excessive prostitution.
Go and look for some new excuse to defend your callousness towards education.
RE:Many are unhappy in France
by Tampa BUC on Jan 13, 2006 02:51 AM
I like the way people like Thomas generalize the entire muslim population as barbaric and outdated. "France made a great blunder in admitting the Muslim population; "The Muslim community creates problems everywhere in the world including USA and other western countries." Isn't it fascinating that USA is the home to a multitude of gujaratis, many of whom have praises for Chief Minister Modi who was solely responsible for mass murder in Gujarat. If we take Modi as a representative of the Hindu population along with right-wing fanatics like Bal Thackeray or anybody from VHP, Hinduism could be classified as the most intolerant faith and hindus, the most intolerant and insensitive people in the world. So where does your logical sense of drawing parallels disappear when you see discrimination of the most extreme type occur in broad daylight in India? Religious fanaticism extends from Islamic fundamentalists to people like Thomas who in spite of carrying the title of Dr are still full of hate for others. Shame on you and everyone who thinks like Dr. Thomas!
RE:Many are unhappy in France
by Mohammed Abdul Aleem on Nov 21, 2005 10:47 AM
Thank God, Mr.Thomas holds some rational views along side his irrational and concoted ideas. The rational views being giving modern education to Muslims. People like Mr.Thomas fail to understand that masses/people, when isolated from the mainstream and being discriminated tend to become frustrated and violent. The actions of some misguided Muslims in other parts of the world should not be considered while dealing with Muslims in this part of the world. The major inspiration to terrorism is the non-addressing of Israel-Palestine dispute. Why the so called super powers don't address this dispute first, instead they prefer to attack innocent countries like Iraq.A small fraction of time,money and effort spent by US, UK and other aggressive nations to attack and justify the aggression on Iraq would have been sufficient to address the Palestine issue.A small fraction of the amount and efforts spent on AGGRESSION and MASS COLD BLOODED MURDERS and other shameless acts of indecency perpetrated by American & Britons would have virtually wiped out epidemics and diseases like AIDS, Tuberculosis from the face of the earth if spent otherwise.It has to be a human heart to think in the right way.
Re: RE:Many are unhappy in France
by Hari on Jul 28, 2011 12:12 PM
What does israel palestine conflict have to do with the terrorism????? There are conflicts every where so? should everyone kill others? there are conflicts even in muslim states. The fatc is you guys are capable of pointing fingers at others but dont look at yourselves. Most of the guys who come to teach quran to muslim kids teaches many "other things" too. Please dont deny it coz iv personally seen it
