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G.S. Vasan
Dual Citizenship
by G.S. Vasan on Aug 31, 2004 05:55 PM

The NRI minister says the dual citizenship reality will be here for registration within a month or so.
Time will tell about the reality since the process is taking too long and many NRI are still waiting for the process.

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tiger
Dual Citizenship
by tiger on Aug 30, 2004 11:47 PM

Rajan wrote:
Add to that, not a single Indian who has ever naturalised to a foreign nationality, has renounced their Indian passport, certainly not voluntarily. It is our Indian government that withdraws it by default, and 100% of the time it is against the wishes of the Indian citizen. Not to mention that some nations allow dual citizenship even if the other doesn't. NL allows naturalised citizens to secretly continue holding their original birth passport, and authorities cooperate in keeping the fact a secret from the nation that does not allow the dual passport. Our government needs to give it's citizens their rights, and certainly allow them to keep their birth rights. Their is no need to stab our own.
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Rajan,

Dual citizenship is reciprocal. Both countries have to agree. So, rather than getting caught up a burst of frenzied passion, please view this objectively.

What do you mean by saying 'NL allows people to 'SECRETLY' keep their original birth passports?

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tiger
Dual citizenship
by tiger on Aug 29, 2004 05:30 AM

Dual citizenship offers no benefits that a PIO card does not offer. You have a passport that probably says you are a dual citizen and will therefore be harassed every step of the way anyway.

On the issue of paying social security taxes. I think the US is perfectly justified in collecting taxes and not giving it back to those who are not citizens or permanent residents. If you don't like this regulation, just don't work in the US. Stop bitching and moaning and deal with it.

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Shankar Srinivasan
Dual Citizenship
by Shankar Srinivasan on Aug 24, 2004 02:19 PM  | Hide replies

Jagdish Tytler in his interview says there's no question of voting rights for PIOs.

I have been in Great Britain for 6 years. For the first 4 years I was on Work Permit. Even when I was on Work Permit I was allowed to vote for the General Elections here.

We talk of brain drain and how to stop it.

First of all let us learn to treat our own countrymen better. For e.g., when a British Passport holder enters the UK, he just has to wave his passport and go thru'.

Whilst in India, being Indians we still have to go thru' Immigration. On the contrary, foreigners are given more importance!

Wanted some national pride!

Shankar

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feroz
RE:Dual Citizenship
by feroz on Aug 27, 2004 11:10 PM
I couldnt agree more with Shankar.Usually there are differnt counters for vistors and citizens.I work in the united states.Recently i visted home to meet family.Me and a few friends went to a beach side restaurant frequented a lot by foreign tourist.When we requested for a table in the patio,we were told to wait for 30 minutes or take the table in the indoor restaurant quite rudely.But group of foreigners were ushered in immediatly without prior notice.Another incident i noticed was in goa.We had reservations in an upscale resturant for a particular table so that we can have a better view for the concert.I cleary remember that when we reserved there was hardly anyone else on the revservation chart and that table had not be crossed off.But when we arrived our table was given off to a group of foreigners.At the very same place when we entered a indian family(tourist) with no reservations,standing ahead of us where not allowed to enter,but a group of foreign tourist with no reversations standing behind us were entertained and makeshift table and chairs were brougth in to accomodate them.i thought,i have been treated better in a foreign land then by my own countrymen.Indifference,why?

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Rajan
RE:Dual Citizenship
by Rajan on Aug 29, 2004 09:24 PM
100% correct, Shankar Srinivasan has posted an extremely critical truth regarding voting. Indian citizens have voting rights in other countries, i.e. UK and NL, but overseas indian citizens have not even rights to vote in their own India where they are born! I find this a form of cannibalism by the congress in India.

Take the French example: their constitution grants you permanent citizenship if born in the nation. Citizenship of birth is unrenouncable. No matter what you may do.

Add to that, not a single Indian who has ever naturalised to a foreign nationality, has renounced their Indian passport, certainly not voluntarily. It is our Indian government that withdraws it by default, and 100% of the time it is against the wishes of the Indian citizen. Not to mention that some nations allow dual citizenship even if the other doesn't. NL allows naturalised citizens to secretly continue holding their original birth passport, and authorities cooperate in keeping the fact a secret from the nation that does not allow the dual passport. Our government needs to give it's citizens their rights, and certainly allow them to keep their birth rights. Their is no need to stab our own.

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chandra chopra
PIO - FIJI
by chandra chopra on Aug 24, 2004 02:06 PM

Sir,
I was happy tyo note that the MEA department has thought of the dual citizenship to PIO's, but why only to the already developed countries. I am from Fiji Islands, married to an Indian and living in India... I am looking forward to acquire the dual citizenship whenewver it happens. Fiji has 45+% of Indians living there and many like myself are here and waiting for the Indian government to do something about it. I should have liked Fiji be given special treatment by your department. I am still waiting for that to happen.
Thanks
chandra chopra

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bliss
NRIsand Tytler
by bliss on Aug 24, 2004 06:45 AM

Congratulations to Mr.Tytler for being so clear-headed about thr problems of NRIs and the need for dual citizenship.Once we become citizens we can operate without any fear of RBI and so many laws.At the airport we are reminded about some stupid law of which we were not aware. As a citizen we can take care and nobody will bother us for our dollars.
Good luck to Mr. Tytler.
Din
Washinton Dc

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Ramesh Kapoor
Who is an NRI and who is a PIO?
by Ramesh Kapoor on Aug 24, 2004 04:57 AM

I am a naturalized American Citizen born in East Africa during the colonial times, and my parents were born in British India. None of my parents were Indian Citizens while we became citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies, of course later relegated to British Overseas Citizens with rights to enter the U.K. on quota basis. While I cannot be considered a non-resident Indian, because I was never a citizen of Inida, therefore, would qualify as a PIO. However, reading this and other articles, I notice that this may not be possible, because the country of my birth is not one of the 16 which qualifies under the present law, and the definition of a PIO is interchangable with that of an NRI. It is also said that once an application is made and if rejected $25 will be forfeited to the Government of India. Knowing the Indian bureaucracy it is a game of making money by the Indian Counsellates and High Commissions.

While we wait for the rules and regulations governing the grant of documents for PIO/NRIs, it would be worth defining when an NRI is a PIO or who is a PIO.


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ramesh cherukuri
Social security withholding of NRIs in USA
by ramesh cherukuri on Aug 24, 2004 01:14 AM

Thanks for raising the important issue facing by the indians who work in US and return after some time to India loosing the right to claim the SOCIAL SECURITY
with holdings.

The previous govt BJP minister Arun jetly started the legal process of entering agreement with US to reciprocate the social security disbursals to returning indians .

But is seems the minister for NRIs is unaware of the nature of the issue and its status . I hope he considers it is not interfering with laws of US but that of follow the procedures to get the eligibility for indians to get huge amounts runs into $billions.

I appreciate the rediff to ask the question about it and request to follow it up with the minister.
Ramesh


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