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The sins of Sholay


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Dhantannan
sholay was not a movie.. it was an experience of lifetime
by Dhantannan on Nov 11, 2016 03:41 PM

at that time.
70mm, stereophonic sound, a iconic villian, great dialogues,great BG score and cinematography.
it was well ahead of its time.
its blasphemy to write anything against this movie.

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rupesh pujari
Let the audience be the judge
by rupesh pujari on Jun 27, 2016 07:44 PM

I completely agree with the writer that the movie is flawed in many ways, but in a era in Indian cinema when the audience sensitivity was different from today, It was a refreshing change in terms of the style and narration. It was the audience that got connected with the movie without the modern days promotion tools. It worked as a cult status because the audience made it to that status. Neither a drawing room discussion, nor our judgement today will ever change the stature it has achieved among the Indian audience. It may not be compared with the world cinema, but again the Indian cinema has reached to every remote corner of the world for it's theatricals and song and dance and not because of the cinematic beauty it offers to the audience. a director may make a raman raghav for accolades and artistic satisfaction, but I as an audience feel cheated to spend a bomb with the family and the time to watch it. So may be my taste for pure movie may be debated, but as long as i feel that the movie was worth the money spend it is a good movie.

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rupesh pujari
Let the audience be the judge
by rupesh pujari on Jun 27, 2016 07:44 PM

I completely agree with the writer that the movie is flawed in many ways, but in a era in Indian cinema when the audience sensitivity was different from today, It was a refreshing change in terms of the style and narration. It was the audience that got connected with the movie without the modern days promotion tools. It worked as a cult status because the audience made it to that status. Neither a drawing room discussion, nor our judgement today will ever change the stature it has achieved among the Indian audience. It may not be compared with the world cinema, but again the Indian cinema has reached to every remote corner of the world for it's theatricals and song and dance and not because of the cinematic beauty it offers to the audience. a director may make a raman raghav for accolades and artistic satisfaction, but I as an audience feel cheated to spend a bomb with the family and the time to watch it. So may be my taste for pure movie may be debated, but as long as i feel that the movie was worth the money spend it is a good movie.

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rupesh pujari
Let the audience be the judge
by rupesh pujari on Jun 27, 2016 07:44 PM

I completely agree with the writer that the movie is flawed in many ways, but in a era in Indian cinema when the audience sensitivity was different from today, It was a refreshing change in terms of the style and narration. It was the audience that got connected with the movie without the modern days promotion tools. It worked as a cult status because the audience made it to that status. Neither a drawing room discussion, nor our judgement today will ever change the stature it has achieved among the Indian audience. It may not be compared with the world cinema, but again the Indian cinema has reached to every remote corner of the world for it's theatricals and song and dance and not because of the cinematic beauty it offers to the audience. a director may make a raman raghav for accolades and artistic satisfaction, but I as an audience feel cheated to spend a bomb with the family and the time to watch it. So may be my taste for pure movie may be debated, but as long as i feel that the movie was worth the money spend it is a good movie.

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rupesh pujari
Let the audience be the judge
by rupesh pujari on Jun 27, 2016 07:44 PM

I completely agree with the writer that the movie is flawed in many ways, but in a era in Indian cinema when the audience sensitivity was different from today, It was a refreshing change in terms of the style and narration. It was the audience that got connected with the movie without the modern days promotion tools. It worked as a cult status because the audience made it to that status. Neither a drawing room discussion, nor our judgement today will ever change the stature it has achieved among the Indian audience. It may not be compared with the world cinema, but again the Indian cinema has reached to every remote corner of the world for it's theatricals and song and dance and not because of the cinematic beauty it offers to the audience. a director may make a raman raghav for accolades and artistic satisfaction, but I as an audience feel cheated to spend a bomb with the family and the time to watch it. So may be my taste for pure movie may be debated, but as long as i feel that the movie was worth the money spend it is a good movie.

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rupesh pujari
Let the audience be the judge
by rupesh pujari on Jun 27, 2016 07:44 PM

I completely agree with the writer that the movie is flawed in many ways, but in a era in Indian cinema when the audience sensitivity was different from today, It was a refreshing change in terms of the style and narration. It was the audience that got connected with the movie without the modern days promotion tools. It worked as a cult status because the audience made it to that status. Neither a drawing room discussion, nor our judgement today will ever change the stature it has achieved among the Indian audience. It may not be compared with the world cinema, but again the Indian cinema has reached to every remote corner of the world for it's theatricals and song and dance and not because of the cinematic beauty it offers to the audience. a director may make a raman raghav for accolades and artistic satisfaction, but I as an audience feel cheated to spend a bomb with the family and the time to watch it. So may be my taste for pure movie may be debated, but as long as i feel that the movie was worth the money spend it is a good movie.

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yahoo
Fun movie, but not great
by yahoo on Jun 27, 2016 07:40 PM

Sholay is a fun movie, and it is enjoyable. Calling it great is very debatable.

Not sure how a movie which copies a pivotal scene from a hollywood movie can be considered great. The whole scene where Thakur's family is killed is a direct copy from 'once upon a time in the west'. There are other scenes too that are highly 'inspired'.

The premise is heavily based on 'magnificient seven', and the taking is pretty much indian 'sergio leone'.

So, it is a good enjoyable mish-mash, but not a great movie.

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k v r murthy
film
by k v r murthy on Jun 27, 2016 07:08 PM

the film sholay, is a good movie,with action emotions,and comedy,and we should not forget gabbar.and a film is always a film.

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Sreehari Nair
I can't give you your precious morning time back, but still..
by Sreehari Nair on Aug 23, 2015 04:11 PM

Dear Abhi Shek,
I usually choose to skim past comments of the kind that you\'ve made, but I think for once,
I should discharge a few debts. For your remarks are symptomatic of a certain attitude that a certain class of Indian readers possess; a class that believes airing of a counter-point
symbolizes \"pseudo-intellectualism\".
Well Dear Abhi Shek, since you\'ve supposedly taken the pain to read the article, but still couldn\'t make sense of the arguments it tries to make, here\'s a more
baby-food version of the same:
a) Sholay has had an effect on our movie-watching consciousness, but it hasn\'t truly had a positive impact on the way we make movies.
b) The sub-textual analyses that Sholay provides isn\'t the kind that some of our own Great Movies provide. Let\'s not even start to talk about World Cinema here.
c) Like some of those standard Westerns, Sholay too undercuts social truths to blare its machismo.
d) And finally our love for the mythology of Sholay (part of which seemed timely for 1975) seems to transcend our love for the movie itself.
If everything that I have reiterated above makes for a valid argument, I guess you are the kind that needs to go through Power-Point Presentations and not Articles. (Which I suspect is also your definition of a \"healthy critique\").
The point is not \"Bad Direction\" Shek, as much as whether Sholay reaches those high standards that the very greatest of movies have. Beyond

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Abhi Shek
Vague and unconvincing Article
by Abhi Shek on Aug 23, 2015 12:00 PM  | Hide replies

This writer is highly confused. Most of his article is terribly vague, absolutely incomprehensible, horribly dreary and totally reader-unfriendly. As such, it does not seem to make any sense. His objective of providing a critique to "Sholay" also remains miserably unfulfilled. I was somehow trying to read this singularly badly written article and hoping that the writer would eventually come up with some critique or alternative view about “Sholay”. Sorry, he has desperately failed in providing a single critique of “Sholay” throughout this article. He has failed in providing a single instance of bad direction, screenplay or story in this movie.

In his failed attempt to use flowery English, he seems to have forgotten the primary aim of his article, i.e. to provide a healthy critique of “Sholay”. His initial hypothesis “Sholay falls short, terribly short” remains unproved. Ironically, all through his article, he has only managed to reinforce the narrative that “Sholay” was indeed an iconic movie... a timeless classic…!!

He has wasted my precious morning time. I wish to talk to this author and want to tell him that this space is not a platform for displaying pseudo-literary skills, but to inform, educate and entertain readers. If he wants to talk, my number is given below.

Dr. Abhishek Gupta,
New Delhi
Mob: 09718190103

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Sreehari Nair
Re: Vague and unconvincing Article
by Sreehari Nair on Aug 23, 2015 04:27 PM
Dear Abhi Shek,
I usually choose to skim past comments of the kind that you've made, but I think for once,
I should discharge a few debts. For your remarks are symptomatic of a certain attitude that a certain class of Indian readers possess; a class that believes airing of a counter-point symbolizes "pseudo-intellectualism".
Well Dear Abhi Shek, since you've supposedly taken the pain to read the article, but still couldn't make sense of the arguments it tries to make, here's a more
baby-food version of the same:
a) Sholay has had an effect on our movie-watching consciousness, but it hasn't truly had a positive impact on the way we make movies.
b) The sub-textual analyses that Sholay provides isn't the kind that some of our own Great Movies provide. Let's not even start to talk about World Cinema here.
c) Like some of those standard Westerns, Sholay too undercuts social truths to blare its machismo.
d) And finally our love for the mythology of Sholay (part of which seemed timely for 1975) seems to transcend our love for the movie itself.
If everything that I have reiterated above makes for a valid argument, I guess you are the kind that needs to go through Power-Point Presentations and not Articles. (Which I suspect is also your definition of a "healthy critique").
The point is not "Bad Direction" Shek, as much as whether Sholay reaches those high standards that the very greatest of movies have. Beyond indulging in wordplay, I hv reasoned o

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Sreehari Nair
Re: Re: Vague and unconvincing Article
by Sreehari Nair on Aug 23, 2015 04:44 PM
And I don't know your taste in movies, but here's something very primal you should know.
Terms such as "Bad Direction". "Bad Screenplay" etc. are alright when discussing "Soft Targets". However, here's a movie we all hold up like Citizen Kane. So the discussion here should be whether or not Sholay reaches those high standards that the very greatest of movies have set. Beyond indulging in wordplay, I have tried to reason out why I think it doesn't. And those reasonings would have a touch of impressionism about them, because that's what analysis of Great Movies would lead you to. If only you could keep your standard biases aside, maybe you could have seen a valid counterpoint here. For that, you also have to let go off your haughty hat, unfortunately Dr.

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