Correct Hindi movies have come to show some standards only recently. Dibakar is one of those who made it possible for Hindi cinema. His Love S e x Dhokha is a shaking experience. All this while any decent cinema from India had to be from Bengal, Kerala, Tamilnadu or Karnataka. I shudder to remember the Jitendra starrer trashes of 1980s. I thank heavens that time is flowing forward and not backward.
Re: nice
by PreethiSaarika on May 03, 2013 10:27 PM
If indians have NOT seen or watched "Ashani Sanket" or distant thunder made by our great film maker Satyajit Ray, they have NOT seen the greatest film ever made too! One Wod of caution this will show the hollowness of NOT ONLY our great freedom fighters BUT also will make wacthers sleepless for mnay months or years if they are patriots and have even some amount of consicence and love for the nation too!
Re: Rubbish
by Cynic on May 03, 2013 08:55 PM
For your info, you madrassi - 1.Pather Panchali is not Hindi film. 2. There are more than 20 Indian languages. 3. Not every non-tamilian is Hindi-wallah. 4. Not finding any Tamil movie worth mentioning, given their standard, is possible.
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by Krish on May 03, 2013 11:19 PM
So who is biased? Looks like from your comments you are biased against South Indians. At least don't masquerade your ignorance as brilliance! While no one denies your #2,3 and #1 obviously is a pride for all bengalis, #4 just shows your arrogance.
Re: Rubbish
by abc on May 04, 2013 01:02 AM
India is Hindi. Everything else is regional. This article is not about listing best regional movies. Got it?
Re: Indian cinema ?
by prashant sinha on May 03, 2013 07:54 PM
Must be one of those Khatta Dimags from the south. Instead of seeing merit in what the author tries to project his khatta dimag is quick to capture the issue of national language that he is obsessed with. And his time he is seconded none by one of those Macher Jols of the east. Considering the fact that Hindi is spoken by more than 42 percent population in the country and is the third largest in the World as per the UN data the frustration of these divisive minded characters can be understood. It is precisely this mentality that had enabled the British to rule India by using their nefarious divide and rule game. Not surprising therefore, Lord Macaulay has this to say before British Parliament, "I have traveled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation."
Re: Indian cinema ?
by prashant sinha on May 03, 2013 07:55 PM
Must be one of those Khatta Dimags from the south. Instead of seeing merit in what the author tries to project his khatta dimag is quick to capture the issue of national language that he is obsessed with. And his time he is seconded none by one of those Macher Jols of the east. Considering the fact that Hindi is spoken by more than 42 percent population in the country and is the third largest in the World as per the UN data the frustration of these divisive minded characters can be understood. It is precisely this mentality that had enabled the British to rule India by using their nefarious divide and rule game. Not surprising therefore, Lord Macaulay has this to say before British Parliament, "I have traveled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation."
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by xy on May 03, 2013 08:09 PM
Neo patriots know only one thing ie blame the British for evrey problem.You say British devided and ruled India.Since you write as if you know history & quote Macaulay, I hope you must also be knowing that before the British came to this land there was no India.
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by Amar Singh on May 03, 2013 08:32 PM
Oh, yeah, Shankaracharya was simply going on a small walk across a non-nation of Bharat when he set out from Kanyakumari to the Himalayas. Well, before the Prophet of Islam, who too recognised India, the Arabs and Persians called this the land of Hind, Hindustan. It is blinkered pseudo like you who reject that Bharat existed.
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by Amar Singh on May 03, 2013 08:43 PM
Moderator. I suppose you have eyes, can read. Still unable to decide on a 4-line post?
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by PreethiSaarika on May 03, 2013 10:31 PM
How many indians know that crooked british looters packed and sent millions of toones of fodd stuffs to UK during World Wars 1&2, starving millions of our ancestors to death! Read indian history and watch the greatest film ever made,that is "ashani Sanket" or Distant Thunder! Does any one know whether our great MK Gandhee or Nehru fasted for many months in protest against this brutality??? Answer follows in next posts!
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by Krish on May 03, 2013 11:28 PM
I don't think we are great enough to find fault with Gandhiji. Already we are short of national heroes.
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by PreethiSaarika on May 04, 2013 11:02 AM
Why have national heroes who have made us morrons&ennuchs&cowards???Mkgandee and nehru dynasty have wrecked our nation and future of our youth forever, only our enemies will like to have uselsss heoes as our national heroes!what a shame!
Re: Re: Indian cinema ?
by valaparla swarup on May 03, 2013 09:38 PM
Who said Hindi is national language.If the constitution says let it be.There are other languages I would not call it regional who have distinct literary heritage,culture and hindi can not compare with.I do agree Hindi films have larger market ,it does not mean that it becomes indian cinema. Oft repeated cliches have no relevence .British have devided the country but it is british who have given India a single political entity.Understand history properly.English gives the people self esteem not hindi which is perhaps has less of literary heritage. Sad ,very sad harping on our ancient culture ,be proud of that but it does not make you a superior being ,but a toad in the well,narcistic and obscuratist mentality.What is our native culture-corruption ,lack of accountability,rapes, lack of gender senitivity,dowry deaths there is nothing to be proud of.Only politicians are proud and harp about great indian culture with out understanding what culture means.it is values not rituals.Please understand that.Indian is united state of India and each state has its distinct language and culture.Hindi cinema is Hindi cinema not Indian cinema
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by Raj on May 03, 2013 11:40 PM
lot of responses here to Auto Shankars post...mostly negative and strangely one has assumed that auto shankar is a Tamil. Maybe...considering the past chauvinism but still folks are falling prey to stereotype. Then someone said "raskala".. thats not tamil at all...probably kannada or telegu...no clue...but then again its all directed at the poor tamil. Why I wonder ? DK movement...Sri Lanka...Rajiv Gandhi..whatever... its an ancient perception and its widely accepted that Tamils anywhere in the world contribute more to society in terms of services, taxes and industry than they take away. And Tamilnadu is far more welcoming and integrating of alien cultures than most places in India or the world. Ask anyone who has lived there.. As regards Hindi being the national language..its totally laughable..its as unfair as the national government being dominated by North Indians just because that area procreates more and hence are entitled to more MLA's...
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by prashant sinha on May 04, 2013 04:00 AM
It appears that an article that highlights the achievements in Indian Cinema has degenerated into a mudslinging match on the language issue. It indeed requires reckless audacity with which foolhardy arguments are advanced with such fluency. Anybody would be totally ignorant if one assumes that other languages of the Indian Union do not have a literary heritage. In fact there have been great names in the literary scene and cinema from South India that have contributed immensely to Indian Literature and Cinema. But when a person comes up with the argument that Hindi literature cannot match the literature available in South Indian languages, he can either be referred to as one who is well versed with Hindi literature or a first class nincompoop. Leave alone the nuances of Hindi Literature this person may not have even heard the names of Munshi Premchand, Jainendra Kumar, Nirala, to name only a few. Next he does not bother what the Constitution of India has to say about Hindi nor does he take into cognizance that out of 28 states in the Indian Union, Hindi is spoken in 10 states covering almost half of India’s land mass. Despite the sabotage and a deliberate attempt to supplant English for Hindi in this country, Hindi continues to remain the largest understood language pan India. By the way it would be interesting to know that only two percent of Indians speak and understand English despite the extensive propaganda unleashed in our country where being educated means having
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by prashant sinha on May 04, 2013 04:02 AM
means having knowledge of English. Full display of servile mentality is in place when he declares that English has given self esteem to Indians,. Lets talk about Bollywood. It is a commercial entity. Bollywood is aware that by making films in Hindi, it will be able to address a larger audience and thereby corner more cash. Therefore even the producers and directors from South and East India have flocked in Bollywood to make films in Hindi. Countless examples of such celebrities can be cited here. The learned persons also cite their selective understanding of Indian History with such ease and panache that it appears like one of oft repeated quotes of Goebbels;“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. For them revisiting Indian History once more is earnestly required. The expanse of the Indian territory had reached their zenith during the reigns of Chandragupta Maurya, Ashoka the Great, Chandragupta Vikramaditya and Aurangzeb the last Moghul Emperor. Under these rulers, if one would consider the total period for India or Bharat or Hindustan as a single entity it could well span over thousand of years. So there was nothing novel in what the British attained, as our friend has so arduously tried to outline. In fact the union helped the British to expand their ambit of exploitation of Indian resources to unthinkable heights. Secondly, the more important reasons for the distinct Indian entity can be found in the intermingl
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by prashant sinha on May 04, 2013 04:05 AM
intermingling of culture, languages (almost all Indian languages have Sanskrit roots), food and religion within the Indian land mass. The slave mentality nurtured and strengthened over sixty years of self rule has failed miserably to dispel this belief. Culture as understood by him is another area of concern
Re: Re: Indian cinema ?
by Krish on May 03, 2013 11:26 PM
Nobody is belittling hindi, but certainly Indian is not just hindi! And the more you insult major languages with thousands of years of history, the more you will alienate your own countrymen. If this is the fate of south indians then one can only imagine how alienated North Easterns are feeling!
Re: Re: Indian cinema ?
by Krish on May 03, 2013 11:31 PM
You are only defining Indian as they way you own culture (hindi-belt) defines. While you are insulting other languages, culture, and even the way religion are practiced, north Indians accuse the british of doing it! At least the British were colonial powers so it's understandable, what justification do north indians have to insult fellow Indians?
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by prashant sinha on May 04, 2013 03:56 AM
The way you draw conclusions is indeed remarkable. A thorough investigation into your way of thinking is prescribed.
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by valaparla swarup on May 04, 2013 10:35 AM
Prashant has delusions of grandeour.WE are in 21 century .we are more concerned about bread and butter not the greatness of the past.Aurangazeb had the largest chunk of India for a while and what is his impact on the country .Zero except religious bigotism.Rememember Toyanby said -learn from history or you are condemned to repeat it.Mr Sinha learn from history -that requires understandining ,retrospection .Getting stuck in the past will only lead to delusions which is quite clear from writing
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by prashant sinha on May 04, 2013 02:43 PM
Mr.Walpuria, it appears cannot see the forest for the trees. He raises so many issues simultaneously without having any substantive input in any of them. Understandably the intent is to befuddle and confuse. To put things into perspective Mr.Walpuria, the reference to Indian history was only made when people like you, so enamored by the colonial past went on harping on the benefits of British colonization of India. As for Aurangzeb he ruled India not for a ‘while’ but nearly half of century. During his reign, the foxy British for fear of being bludgeoned did not try any of their mischievous games. Religious bigotry, however despicable was not the sole domain of Aurangzeb. It has afflicted and continues to afflict all the major religions in the past but even today can be found associated in many forms to religious beliefs and practices. And finally regarding the problem of bread and butter in the twenty first century, let me assure you that all efforts to provide a solution would go in vain so long the system is afflicted with the deadly cocktail of feudal and capitalist combination with a top up of all pervasive corruption. Similarly blindly copying the West to find answers to the social, economic and political problems would lead to a dead end. The problems of the country can only be resolved to a considerable extent when distributive justice is ensured ( rich poor divide , lower upper caste), when corruption is crushed with a heavy hand and all the four pillars
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by prashant sinha on May 04, 2013 02:45 PM
all the four pillars of the so called democracy is replaced and renovated with a strong will. Extensive land reforms are carried out and social and religious prejudice that hounds us are decimated. Vested interest in the education and health sectors are removed and quality education and health are made accessible to the lowest denominator of the Indian society. At the same time an earnest attempt to understand ourselves and rebuild the true identity of being an Indian is made. This does not mean in essence, accepting everything prevalent in the Indian society with our eyes closed or repudiating everything that is linked to the West. It is a Herculean task and needs a strong dictatorship committed to people that can govern this country for at least hundred years.
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by valaparla swarup on May 04, 2013 03:51 PM
Good narrative like a school boy essay.You have solutions for our problems.Perhaps most of us know the problems and solutions.Crux of the problem is how to operationalise.Blind hatred to west is as bad as jihadists.It is not just not technology but their contibution to uplifting the human society as whole -democracy,human rights ,anti racism etc.We have not been able to get over our casty notions yet.In north every body is refered to by their caste sharma,thakur,guptha.In South apparently they have given up their caste suffixes but have not overcome their prejudices.I am an idian and there is nothing to be ashamed off but definitly dont indulge in false pride . Thanx for your well written postings but yet I can not agree with romantisining the past
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by sanjay on May 04, 2013 04:22 PM
Bihari, you are just a nuisance to India. Mardaris any day better. You biharis are just scums of India
