resevation should be increased in india. daliths and backward cast should be given 70% resevation in govt jobs and 65% in IMM & IIT's in pvt we can give them 50% jobs minority should be given 20% in govt jobs & 30% in pvt 20% in IMM & IIT hope UPA govt impletent like they did with sixth pay commision.
reservation is essential for development of backward sections of the society. the uppercastes who are not more than 10% in population are controlling 90% resources in India from movie industry, education, business, healthcare, bureaucracy, govt formation, judiciary etc virtually in every field. they have got this power by oppressing weaker sections for centuries. the kings and brahmins who ruled india denied right to education for lower castes and they were only allowed to do carpentry, pottery etc according to their family lineage. this way lot of gap has been created since centuries between upper and lower castes where only the uppercastes got all facilities and education. naturally they have advantage and they captured all powerful posts post independance. they discriminated further by promoting only upper caste people and their relatives in politics, jobs, promotions, movie industry etc. naturally to close this gap between uppercaste and lower caste reservation is needed otherwise lowercaste can never compete with uppercaste and it is not because they don't have brains. its only because they have a handicap and need the extra push for them to be motivated and compete with uppercaste. reservation is a tool to bring about this equality and reduce disparity among different castes. the real worry of uppercastes is because of reservation they will ultimately lose their share of pie in controlling resources as their population is less but representation is more.
Re: reservation is necessary to bring social justice
by jatin on May 19, 2011 11:40 AM
it means 90% of india's population are lower caste...if you think reservation is necessary than it should be depend on poor & rich not on upper or lower caste...
reservation is essential for development of backward sections of the society. the uppercastes who are not more than 10% in population are controlling 90% resources in India from movie industry, education, business, healthcare, bureaucracy, govt formation, judiciary etc virtually in every field. they have got this power by oppressing weaker sections for centuries. the kings and brahmins who ruled india denied right to education for lower castes and they were only allowed to do carpentry, pottery etc according to their family lineage. this way lot of gap has been created since centuries between upper and lower castes where only the uppercastes got all facilities and education. naturally they have advantage and they captured all powerful posts post independance. they discriminated further by promoting only upper caste people and their relatives in politics, jobs, promotions, movie industry etc. naturally to close this gap between uppercaste and lower caste reservation is needed otherwise lowercaste can never compete with uppercaste and it is not because they don't have brains. its only because they have a handicap and need the extra push for them to be motivated and compete with uppercaste. reservation is a tool to bring about this equality and reduce disparity among different castes. the real worry of uppercastes is because of reservation they will ultimately lose their share of pie in controlling resources as their population is less but representation is more.
reservation is essential for development of backward sections of the society. the uppercastes who are not more than 10% in population are controlling 90% resources in India from movie industry, education, business, healthcare, bureaucracy, govt formation, judiciary etc virtually in every field. they have got this power by oppressing weaker sections for centuries. the kings and brahmins who ruled india denied right to education for lower castes and they were only allowed to do carpentry, pottery etc according to their family lineage. this way lot of gap has been created since centuries between upper and lower castes where only the uppercastes got all facilities and education. naturally they have advantage and they captured all powerful posts post independance. they discriminated further by promoting only upper caste people and their relatives in politics, jobs, promotions, movie industry etc. naturally to close this gap between uppercaste and lower caste reservation is needed otherwise lowercaste can never compete with uppercaste and it is not because they don't have brains. its only because they have a handicap and need the extra push for them to be motivated and compete with uppercaste. reservation is a tool to bring about this equality and reduce disparity among different castes. the real worry of uppercastes is because of reservation they will ultimately lose their share of pie in controlling resources as their population is less but representation is more.
saif's comments more a PR move rather than any thought out judgement. Reservation is the other word of upholding mediocrity and has no place in the cities atleast.
Re: Reservation is a Symptom, the real Disease is CASTE SYSTEM
by KK on May 18, 2011 02:25 PM
HINDUTVA that is HATE filled Ideology is also a real disease remove HINDUTVA automatically ALL INDIANS BECOME Nationalists
But only on the basis of economic status. Caste is not written on your face...ANYONE can pay money and get a caste certificate (i've seen it with my eyes).
The best thing that can happen is reserve 50% at graduation....there should be no reservation at PG level. And to ensure that the system is not corrupted -
Colleges should be forced to make public in their website of who is getting the college seat. If the student is getting there through reservation, their mother's and father's salary certificate, income tax details can be given as a link. The student's 12th std marks should be given as a link.
All students applying would obviously keep a tab on who's getting admission. No one can "pay their way" to get a degree.
Also, we need quality schools.....not reservation in colleges. If we cannot afford teachers, let one teaacher's lecture be recorded and telecasted in schools....it would actually be cheaper than teachers and ofcourse a much better quality!
Re: we need reservations
by Kungfu Panda on May 18, 2011 02:17 PM
reservation is essential for development of backward sections of the society. the uppercastes who are not more than 10% in population are controlling 90% resources in India from movie industry, education, business, healthcare, bureaucracy, govt formation, judiciary etc virtually in every field. they have got this power by oppressing weaker sections for centuries. the kings and brahmins who ruled india denied right to education for lower castes and they were only allowed to do carpentry, pottery etc according to their family lineage. this way lot of gap has been created since centuries between upper and lower castes where only the uppercastes got all facilities and education. naturally they have advantage and they captured all powerful posts post independance. they discriminated further by promoting only upper caste people and their relatives in politics, jobs, promotions, movie industry etc. naturally to close this gap between uppercaste and lower caste reservation is needed otherwise lowercaste can never compete with uppercaste and it is not because they don't have brains. its only because they have a handicap and need the extra push for them to be motivated and compete with uppercaste. reservation is a tool to bring about this equality and reduce disparity among different castes. the real worry of uppercastes is because of reservation they will ultimately lose their share of pie in controlling resources as their population is less but representation is more.
Re: Re: we need reservations
by Li Na on May 18, 2011 07:10 PM
So....by your logic, if Grandfather obtained M.Sc, the "degree and education" gets passed along with the genes??
Get real. If, according to you, today only SC/ST are poor...they'd get benefits from reservation anyway.
You tell me, should Dinakaran, KG Balakrishnan, A Raja, a media man minting crores, but Dalit should be given any reservation benefit.
Ultimately poor needs to uplifted. Why stick to a system that we are trying to get away from.
If Gujjars are ruining train tracks with a begging bowl of reservation, CASTE BASED reservation is the root cause of it.
Re: we need reservations
by A P on May 18, 2011 12:40 PM
even if u go by economic status , it will still be dalits and OBCs , Just go to any slum of India , u will come to know who they are . They are all Dalits and OBCs...
In reality , the entire fault lies in Hinduism which is a religion of division(Caste system) rather than equality and unity.. u need to fix that first before removing reservation....
Re: Re: we need reservations
by Li Na on May 18, 2011 12:46 PM
So poor will still be made of Dalits and OBCs, what's wrong in giving reservation based on economic status, rather than caste....which we are trying to get rid of??
Re: Re: Re: we need reservations
by A P on May 18, 2011 12:47 PM
exactly, get rid of Caste , reservation will automatically go away.. but keeping the Caste system alive and blaming it on reservation is ridiculous..
Re: Re: Re: Re: we need reservations
by Li Na on May 18, 2011 01:00 PM
AP, do you really think reservation is because of caste system?? No, it's because politicians want to seal a votebank.
As long as reservation is there, communities like gujjars will keep blackmailing govt for reservation.
Caste system can only be removed by education and for that, we need schools.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need reservations
by A P on May 18, 2011 01:03 PM
yes absolutely, and illiteracy is a side effect of CATSE SYSTEM as Caste System did not allow inclusive growth including right to education. I hope, u must be knowing at least this much..
Indian govement policy is secularism , but same government indulge in caste politics by increasing reservation quote on every pre election season which itself is dividing the nation on caste system and many parties don’t have courage to speak against it as they know that Indian people are not matured while electing a government , We will find many young OBC, SC, ST people who are working on good post with good remuneration will be against scraping of reservation to them , this shows the mentality of such people , they think that taking birth with SC,ST,OBC tag is like having life time discount coupen and many economical poor people who born with higher caste tag are today finding very difficult to get good education and jobs .So instead of caste base reservation there should be reservation based on economical backward people and for this whole nation should have one voice .
Re: SCRAP CASTE BASED RESERVATION
by A P on May 18, 2011 12:17 PM
how about scrapping CASTE??? that will automatically scrap reservation... u gave all the arguments. I ask one simple question : If India is a democracy, the how can there be CASTE SYSTEM in India , since caste system is an antithesis of democracy.
Re: Re: SCRAP CASTE BASED RESERVATION
by Li Na on May 18, 2011 12:49 PM
abbe yaar....no one here is practising caste....except in villages. The only solution is education at grassroot level.
Re: Re: Re: SCRAP CASTE BASED RESERVATION
by A P on May 18, 2011 12:55 PM
how idiot u are , to say "no one here is practising caste....except in villages."
U certainly are out of touch.. look at any hindu matrimonial site and yes all these are from Metros.. And even if we assume for a second it's not practiced in Cities, but only in villages , as u say..but y is it practiced even in villages???????????? i don't understand , what the problem is in eradicating CASTE SYSTEM..
Re: Re: Re: Re: SCRAP CASTE BASED RESERVATION
by Li Na on May 18, 2011 01:03 PM
NO ONE HAS A PROBLEM IN ERADICATING CASTE SYSTEM.
CHOOSING A PERSON TO MARRY OF YOUR CASTE (NO MATTER HOW DUMB) IS NOT "PRACTISING CASTE SYSTEM"....practising caste system implies saying things like "you belong to this caste...you cannot enter school."
Indian govement policy is secularism , but same government indulge in caste politics by increasing reservation quote on every pre election season which itself is dividing the nation on caste system and many parties don’t have courage to speak against it as they know that Indian people are not matured while electing a government , We will find many young OBC, SC, ST people who are working on good post with good remuneration will be against scraping of reservation to them , this shows the mentality of such people , they think that taking birth with SC,ST,OBC tag is like having life time discount coupen and many economical poor people who born with higher caste tag are today finding very difficult to get good education and jobs .So instead of caste base reservation there should be reservation based on economical backward people and for this whole nation should have one voice .
