A lot of cinemas of varying genres, of varying intelligence (emotional, logical) can happily coexist. No doubts. Anurag Kashyap should stop this bullshit and make some really shattering stuff. He is lucky he is in Bollywood where he is being recognized. Put him and his work in America or Europe, he would have been vapor by now. Remember, a Rocket Singh can live with a Bachna E Haseeno. A A Wednesday can breathe along with a Dev D.
This is how cinema in America has survived. There is a room for everyone. Mega money making sure summer blockbusters and mind bending indie stuff. Leave it to the audience, Kashyap. You don't have to prime them or train them. Sometimes they are way too smart than you think they are. On the other hand, if you think you are trying to educate the cinema illiterate majority audiences, then take a chill pill, they will not even throw a pakoda at you.
A lot of cinemas of varying genres, of varying intelligence (emotional, logical) can happily coexist. No doubts. Anurag Kashyap should stop this bullshit and make some really shattering stuff. He is lucky he is in Bollywood where he is being recognized. Put him and his work in America or Europe, he would have been vapor by now. Remember, a Rocket Singh can live with a Bachna E Haseeno. A A Wednesday can breathe along with a Dev D.
This is how cinema in America has survived. There is a room for everyone. Mega money making sure summer blockbusters and mind bending indie stuff. Leave it to the audience, Kashyap. You don't have to prime them or train them. Sometimes they are way too smart than you think they are. On the other hand, if you think you are trying to educate the cinema illiterate majority audiences, then take a chill pill, they will not even throw a pakoda at you.
A lot of cinemas of varying genres, of varying intelligence (emotional, logical) can happily coexist. No doubts. Anurag Kashyap should stop this bullshit and make some really shattering stuff. He is lucky he is in Bollywood where he is being recognized. Put him and his work in America or Europe, he would have been vapor by now. Remember, a Rocket Singh can live with a Bachna E Haseeno. A A Wednesday can breathe along with a Dev D.
This is how cinema in America has survived. There is a room for everyone. Mega money making sure summer blockbusters and mind bending indie stuff. Leave it to the audience, Kashyap. You don't have to prime them or train them. Sometimes they are way too smart than you think they are. On the other hand, if you think you are trying to educate the cinema illiterate majority audiences, then take a chill pill, they will not even throw a pakoda at you.
Anurag Kashyap is apart from some mediocre, subpar efforts (not befitting his claims) is a media bunny. Media knows how to get him on board, do some "interview" wherein you will have one mandatory paragraph about the saga of his unreleased cinemas, one on European, MiddleEast/West masters, his endless vitriol against YRF, Dharma. More or less is that guy Dibakar Banerjee.
Bloody you are exploiting the same tools that Indian cinema has traditionally used. Manipulative music, background score that tell you how to view a scene. Where is groundbreaking?! What is groundbreaking?! If you say, these are being used smartly and cannot be done away with, then why blame a Gowariker or a Farah Khan who are doing in their *way*. Yes, your "angst" has inspired some newbies to come forward who would have otherwise been without a beacon.
Bollywood is a "system" that will not allow too many revolutionaries like Anurag Kashyap just like Indian politics will not allow more than one Anna Hazare. New filmmakers should not be misled. Money, whether we like it or not, will always reign. Just wait and watch, these gods of alternate cinema will start hailing the masala genre once again and label it as our voice and cool as soon as they realize that even aam aadmi understands their European masters.
Re: bunnies
by sankha ghosh on Jun 05, 2011 12:18 PM
never will these revolutionaries like Kashyap settle with mediocrity.Then, almodover or Innaritu would not have survived. And, remember, they are the people who are making an evolution what the Chopras and Johars are following --- so simply enjoy these movies and if u can't stay away and watch ur favs -- soon u will be forced to watch only these movies...!!!
Re: bunnies
by Avinash Patalay on Jun 03, 2011 02:45 PM
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santosh
certain good points. especially the way u mention that "rome wasnt built in a day" and its a slow transformation by silent flag bearers like vishal & shimit who are making a change in the system without grudges against it. yes, change will happen, but not rapidly. and certainly not by barking the way anurag wants it to be. as long as indian cinema is not slipping back to "no brainers" genre, its a positive sign.
Anurag Kashyap is wrongly deemed a messiah for meaningful cinema. May be he barks a lot, and gives more "angsty" soundbytes making interviews such as these seem "fun." That's all! Where was Shaitan talked about at all?! 100 interviews of his and all the 100 are bloody same. Same "angst," the same bullshit. He will pair up with a different director, that's it.
I commend people like Vishal Bhardwaj, Shimit Amin, Farhan Akhtar who *despite* working with big stars are gently and continuously pushing the envelopes in their individualistic ways. SILENTLY. Look at their movies, may be they are not Sajid Khan-Anees Bazmee kind of boxoffice gorillas but they are very decent efforts, products which ARE commercially very successful.
Body-rigged cameras, hallucinatory, dreamy shots will not make you a European master who you desperately want to emulate and in the process, remain a pretence. That's all.
Movies don't have to be dark, brooding to be called envelope pushing, "international." where the hell is your original voice? All these pseudo pretentious talk makes me respect people like YRF, Sajid Khan who are at least not making tall claims. Is it great cinema? Hell, no. But at least they are achieving the targets they set to meet. Everyone is happy. May be a minority is not. At least these biggies are not pretending.
Anurag Kashyap is wrongly deemed a messiah for meaningful cinema. May be he barks a lot, and gives more "angsty" soundbytes making interviews such as these seem "fun." That's all! Where was Shaitan talked about at all?! 100 interviews of his and all the 100 are bloody same. Same "angst," the same bullshit. He will pair up with a different director, that's it.
I commend people like Vishal Bhardwaj, Shimit Amin, Farhan Akhtar who *despite* working with big stars are gently and continuously pushing the envelopes in their individualistic ways. SILENTLY. Look at their movies, may be they are not Sajid Khan-Anees Bazmee kind of boxoffice gorillas but they are very decent efforts, products which ARE commercially very successful.
Body-rigged cameras, hallucinatory, dreamy shots will not make you a European master who you desperately want to emulate and in the process, remain a pretence. That's all.
Movies don't have to be dark, brooding to be called envelope pushing, "international." where the hell is your original voice? All these pseudo pretentious talk makes me respect people like YRF, Sajid Khan who are at least not making tall claims. Is it great cinema? Hell, no. But at least they are achieving the targets they set to meet. Everyone is happy. May be a minority is not. At least these biggies are not pretending.
Re: Pseudo
by sankha ghosh on Jun 05, 2011 12:28 PM
r u losing out money or u can't stand the growth...something is wrong ..!!! whatever..nobody can't help u...i feel sorry...!!!! at least, don't blame what u can't even understand. whosw claims make u unhappy..?? Kashyap's..?? Bhansali's ..?? and u are barking ur angst out..!! and if u are 'happy' with sajid's 'good' claims..then enjoy that..who the hell is asking u to talk on something which does nothing but proves oly that ur shallownwess..??
Re: Re: Pseudo
by santosh tuggali on Jun 05, 2011 09:20 PM
Sankha Ghosh,
And "all" you got from my admittedly inarticulate rants is that I patronize the Chopras and Khans!!! I bow to thy comprehension skills.
I will spare all sarcasm and try being clearer. I do NOT condone any one cinema in particular not at least mindless Sajid Khan cinema.
BUT when it pisses me off as an individual viewer when the Kashyaps and Banerjees make super tall claims and churn out mediocre stuff. Please do not quote Dev D, Gulaal to be flagbearing stuff. It is laugh worthy. Citing budgetary limitations and limited audience understanding as the reason for not going full throttle is lame. It is no different for others who were equally concerned about the business.
THEN I ALSO SAID, look at guys like Vishal Bhardwaj whose products Maqbool, Omkara, and to a certain extent Kaminey were COMPLETE, shattering stuff in the order I mentioned. To make Maqbool, Makdee, Omkara Vishal Bhardwaj didn't require any platform laid down by the "messiah" Kashyap and Banerjee.
They delivered silently after promising nothing. Didn't the audiences sit up and notice, weren't they lauded? By not sticking to any extreme ( a Chopra on one hand, and a Kashyap on the other) they are churning out super stuff. Shimit Amin's "Ab Tak Chhappan" magic cannot be recreated. It was subtle, stylish, suave and sophisticated and MOST IMPORTANTLY UNPRETENTIOUS.
Re: Re: Re: Pseudo
by santosh tuggali on Jun 05, 2011 09:34 PM
When Vishal B'waj made Maqbool and Omkara he didn't have any personal references to give the producers the confidence to invest in him. BUT look at what he churned out. Even with all the stars in them what he achieved was unimaginable for 2003 and 2006. Screenplay, story, performances, music and heroes out of Hemant Chaturvedi and Tassaduq Hussain!!!
I hate to say it but *that* was cinema. A healthy, mixed alternate.
I know I have barked a lot and a lot. So I will shut up now :) :)
