This movie was just average on the whole. The other movies of Sherlock Holmes are better.Adding too much facts & clues doesn't make a movie better. The story was good but not one which deserves 4 stars. Wanna see a real detective classic, go for The Bone Collector.
I don't agree with this review because this movie definitively does not deserve 4 stars. The ending was so unrealistic because how could he survive the huge drop from the waterfall. He would have definitely died. Other than that the movie was not as good but its predecessor and the first movie was much more logical. The ending was better. That movie deserved a 4. This one deserves 3.5. Nothing more than
Re: Good movie but definetely not a better sequel
by axxo on Jan 02, 2012 09:30 PM
actually they took it from the real story. conan doyle killed holmes with moriarty. in the real story it was exactly same. then demand from people came. they asked him to return holmes to live. he made another story writing he escaped from the valley.
Re: Good movie but definetely not a better sequel
by Amused Commentator on Jan 04, 2012 04:31 PM
You need to read--READ--your Doyle for starters, my dear Mr Abhinandan... that would answer your question about Holmes' surviving that fall...
Can't help but agree with you regarding the fact that this is indeed a Sherlock 'show off' Holmes movie. But that didn't stop me having a great time in the movies. I've started reading the sherlock holmes books a bit early in class 4 days and finished it by the time i was in class 6. I was, as well as the rest, captivated by the cerebral adventures of the super sleuth. But when it comes to a film, just got one thing to say, 'a film is not a book'. I mean it needs more than what a book can provide. A director has complete independence to turn and twist a character in and out of shape and whatnot. And inspite of being an ardent 'Conan Doyle Holmes' fan, i find Guy Ritchie's twisted Holmes incredible. As if satisfying those childhood fantasies. Super sleuth meets superman. Why bicker on about the fact that it's not bookish? It has got the perfect comic element (especially the scene where Dr. Watson revive Holmes in the train using the 'birthday present' and he wakes up and says 'who's been dancing on my chest?'). But i completely disagree with your view on Mycroft Holmes portrayed by Stephen Fry. I find it (the nudist act) to be the cheapest act in the film. And i'm not sure why a director like Guy Ritchie would have to resort to such cheap tactics to make us laugh. And that's probably the only part in the film which i didnt like. But all in all, couldn't have asked for more.
Can't help but agree with you regarding the fact that this is indeed a Sherlock 'show off' Holmes movie. But that didn't stop me having a great time in the movies. I've started reading the sherlock holmes books a bit early in class 4 days and finished it by the time i was in class 6. I was, as well as the rest, captivated by the cerebral adventures of the super sleuth. But when it comes to a film, just got one thing to say, 'a film is not a book'. I mean it needs more than what a book can provide. A director has complete independence to turn and twist a character in and out of shape and whatnot. And inspite of being an ardent 'Conan Doyle Holmes' fan, i find Guy Ritchie's twisted Holmes incredible. As if satisfying those childhood fantasies. Super sleuth meets superman. Why bicker on about the fact that it's not bookish? It has got the perfect comic element (especially the scene where Dr. Watson revive Holmes in the train using the 'birthday present' and he wakes up and says 'who's been dancing on my chest?'). But i completely disagree with your view on Mycroft Holmes portrayed by Stephen Fry. I find it (the nudist act) to be the cheapest act in the film. And i'm not sure why a director like Guy Ritchie would have to resort to such cheap tactics to make us laugh. And that's probably the only part in the film which i didnt like. But all in all, couldn't have asked for more.
Can't help but agree with you regarding the fact that this is indeed a Sherlock 'show off' Holmes movie. But that didn't stop me having a great time in the movies. I've started reading the sherlock holmes books a bit early in class 4 days and finished it by the time i was in class 6. I was, as well as the rest, captivated by the cerebral adventures of the super sleuth. But when it comes to a film, just got one thing to say, 'a film is not a book'. I mean it needs more than what a book can provide. A director has complete independence to turn and twist a character in and out of shape and whatnot. And inspite of being an ardent 'Conan Doyle Holmes' fan, i find Guy Ritchie's twisted Holmes incredible. As if satisfying those childhood fantasies. Super sleuth meets superman. Why bicker on about the fact that it's not bookish? It has got the perfect comic element (especially the scene where Dr. Watson revive Holmes in the train using the 'birthday present' and he wakes up and says 'who's been dancing on my chest?'). But i completely disagree with your view on Mycroft Holmes portrayed by Stephen Fry. I find it (the nudist act) to be the cheapest act in the film. And i'm not sure why a director like Guy Ritchie would have to resort to such cheap tactics to make us laugh. And that's probably the only part in the film which i didnt like. But all in all, couldn't have asked for more.
Can't help but agree with you regarding the fact that this is indeed a Sherlock 'show off' Holmes movie. But that didn't stop me having a great time in the movies. I've started reading the sherlock holmes books a bit early in class 4 days and finished it by the time i was in class 6. I was, as well as the rest, captivated by the cerebral adventures of the super sleuth. But when it comes to a film, just got one thing to say, 'a film is not a book'. I mean it needs more than what a book can provide. A director has complete independence to turn and twist a character in and out of shape and whatnot. And inspite of being an ardent 'Conan Doyle Holmes' fan, i find Guy Ritchie's twisted Holmes incredible. As if satisfying those childhood fantasies. Super sleuth meets superman. Why bicker on about the fact that it's not bookish? It has got the perfect comic element (especially the scene where Dr. Watson revive Holmes in the train using the 'birthday present' and he wakes up and says 'who's been dancing on my chest?'). But i completely disagree with your view on Mycroft Holmes portrayed by Stephen Fry. I find it (the nudist act) to be the cheapest act in the film. And i'm not sure why a director like Guy Ritchie would have to resort to such cheap tactics to make us laugh. And that's probably the only part in the film which i didnt like. But all in all, couldn't have asked for more.
Maybe it is just me but it hard to think of anyone as Sherlock Holmes other than Jeremy Brett, the late actor who played it to near absolute perfection in the BBC granada TV series. That was a work of art so near to the description of Holmes by Sir Doyle that you began to doubt if Sir Doyle had seen Brett through a time machine and written Holmes or vice versa. I have seen many movies and serials of Holmes by various productions but Brett can never be replaced as Holmes. For me, Holmes never dies at Reichenbach Falls (though Doyle was forced to get him back in the Adventure of the empty house). For me, Holmes died the day Brett died. Every great actor or director once in their lifetime gets buried under a tomb of immmortality because of one performance or movie (Ramesh Sippy could never shake off SHOLAY....never). Same with Brett...till his end, he could never be anyone other than Holmes. I tried seeing Holmes Part 1 as potrayed by Robert Downey jr.....How does one describe it?Too painful to watch one of the greatest fictional literary figures ever being massacred by mediocrity. I stopped after 20 minutes and went back to the comfort of youtube to see Brett in my favorite story of all...The Adventure of the Dancing Men. No offence against Downey Jr. He may be a fine actor but the nuances you need to play the mad genius of Holmes.....sorry....no way. It's like asking any actor of today to re-enact Vijay Verma of DEEWAR...That was a role that Amitabh was born to play.
Re: Hard to ever replace Jeremy Brett
by Srinivasan Rajagopal on Dec 30, 2011 05:14 PM
exactly...Jeremy is evergreen..particularly the antics with watson..i specifically liked the "Silver Blaze" episode....But Robert Downey Jr is good in his own ways...here Holmes is bound to be cinematic rather than his usual brilliant self....
Re: Re: Hard to ever replace Jeremy Brett
by praveen rao on Dec 30, 2011 06:21 PM
You are right about the demands of playing Holmes in a cinematic setting. As far as favorite episodes go, it is very hard to pick one...where does one begin...Besides The Dancing men, I loved "The Speckled Band", "A Study in Scarlet", "The Norwood Builder", "The Bruce Partington plans" and "the Solitary Cyclist". I don't know if you had a chance to read the entire volumes, but three passages stick out for Doyle's brilliance which I can never forget....A study in Scarlet....Holmes describes the use of the human brain and how to use its memory and why he couldn't care less if the sun revolved around the earth....Same story...the way he deciphers the physical identity of the murderer based on the writing on the wall and finally a para in THE BLUE CARBUNCLE....he tells the entire life story of a man based on a hat he found...just a hat....and he tells everything about his life. I read THE BLUE CARBUNCLE back in 9th grade in school and was hopelessly hooked on Holmes...now trying my best to pass on my love of Holmes to my daughter....though my wife thinks I am being too demanding of a 5 year old to like Holmes.
Re: Re: Re: Hard to ever replace Jeremy Brett
by Srinivasan Rajagopal on Dec 30, 2011 07:15 PM
:-) I have read and re-read the volumes umpteen number of times..that too the camden book of Holmes, which describes each and every county, characters meticulously...there are two volumes of the book and each volume runs to 1000 pages..and watched the episodes a million times..they used to be telecast in POGO channel on Monday Nights..also i have a DVD collection of all the episodes with me...yes..Blue carbuncle was available in my 8th grade english non-detail book...there has never been a boring moment in reading the book again and again....I picked out Silver Blaze because of the lively setting and the way he deducees that the HOrse was the real killer...also, equally good will be the Priory School adventure and the valley of fear...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hard to ever replace Jeremy Brett
by praveen rao on Dec 30, 2011 11:57 PM
Have to say I envy you. Wow. All the episode DVD's!!!! Keep it safely. That's a collectors item for sure. And really nice to blog with a true Holmes fan in a long time.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hard to ever replace Jeremy Brett
by Srinivasan Rajagopal on Dec 31, 2011 10:07 AM
Thanks..and If you have a chance, read the books of Jeffery Deaver featuring Lincoln Rhyme, hes exactly followed the same method of Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes, but i am sure, he cannot and has not matched them...
Re: Hard to ever replace Jeremy Brett
by Pat Thakur on Dec 31, 2011 10:56 AM
Bingo Praveen, Jeremy Brett was & is Sherlock Holmes personified, forever. There hardly will be a soul, more befitting this character.
Maybe it is just me but it hard to think of anyone as Sherlock Holmes other than Jeremy Brett, the late actor who played it to near absolute perfection in the BBC granada TV series. That was a work of art so near to the description of Holmes by Sir Doyle that you began to doubt if Sir Doyle had seen Brett through a time machine and written Holmes or vice versa. I have seen many movies and serials of Holmes by various productions but Brett can never be replaced as Holmes. For me, Holmes never dies at Reichenbach Falls (though Doyle was forced to get him back in the Adventure of the empty house). For me, Holmes died the day Brett died. Every great actor or director once in their lifetime gets buried under a tomb of immmortality because of one performance or movie (Ramesh Sippy could never shake off SHOLAY....never). Same with Brett...till his end, he could never be anyone other than Holmes. I tried seeing Holmes Part 1 as potrayed by Robert Downey jr.....How does one describe it?Too painful to watch one of the greatest fictional literary figures ever being massacred by mediocrity. I stopped after 20 minutes and went back to the comfort of youtube to see Brett in my favorite story of all...The Adventure of the Dancing Men. No offence against Downey Jr. He may be a fine actor but the nuances you need to play the mad genius of Holmes.....sorry....no way. It's like asking any actor of today to re-enact Vijay Verma of DEEWAR...That was a role that Amitabh was born to play.
