Re: Re: Re: @Sachin agarkar............
by Amey Joshi on Jun 03, 2009 04:58 PM
Gr8 me 2, I hope we can join hands :). Forget about past. I hope it is ok.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Sachin agarkar............
by Sachin best on Jun 03, 2009 05:03 PM
Sorry for abuses but I felt that you are supporting Sachin agarkar cause he started the abuse first :-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @Sachin agarkar............
by Amey Joshi on Jun 03, 2009 05:08 PM
It's ok Sachin. No infact I was condming Sachin Agarkar. It's ok forget that :).
No one can prove whether Tagore was better or Shakespeare! These are personal preferences.
However as I wrote below Himesh Reshammia earns much more money and is more popular than Bhimsen Joshi. Chetan Bhagat has earned crores and Ruskin Bond lives in a small cottage is Mussoorie. Average cricketers earn millions and Olympic medal winners die unrecognised(K D Jadhav for example), a besura Indian Idol earns lakhs and Bismillah Khan dies in penury!
So money, fame and awards do not necessarily prove who is better. You need to consider that awards like Filmfare are heavily preplanned by sponsors and marketing, do not mean much. A national award, a meaningful international award mean much more.
You know why these things happen?
Because masses do not understand good music so people like Himesh succeed. Masses do not understand literature so Bhagat is a bestseller! So mass follows some stars and class follow some stars. I have seen people with mass mentality are die hard Shahrukh fans while good painters, those who read a lot, those who understand theatre and literature, follow Aamir.
Shahrukh in my opinion has a great attitude, but he has really acted in only two movies, Swades and Chak de India. The rest are commercially succesful but not acting masterpieces.
Re: Class and mass
by Lalitha Subramanian on Jun 03, 2009 11:09 PM
Well said. aamir is for the discerning film viewer who also has a life beyond films, who loves books, literature, theatre; is a socially conscious citizen. These are the people who are fans of aamir Khan--for the most part.I like SRK too, but find that his fans tend to get abusive with Aamir and his fans. Aamir fans couldn't care less about the competition--they are simply happy with the difference Aamir has made to Hindi cinema. As I said, I like both--so let's appreciate both Khans.Aamir could not have done Yes Boss and SRK could not have done Sarfarosh.
Re: Aamir is nothing as a Entertainment Megastar compared to SRK
by Krishna Tennety on Jun 03, 2009 05:02 PM
SRK is a one dimensional "actor". Excepting the romantic roles, he hams big time. He is good ONLY in romantic movies. Amir, method or not, has impressed in every role he has essayed. As a romantic in JJWS, as a stern teacher in TZP, a rustic in Lagaan and as an absent minded avenger in Ghajini. All these movies were commercially successful. SRK, even in Baazigar and Darr, was a romantically inclined anti-hero. The essence of an actor is where he can portray a character successfully, where the viewer identifies with the actor. Aamir does that. Admittedly Naseer is a pastmaster at this - but unfortunately the movies were not SUCCESSFUL. So, it is important that a good actor combine commercial success with good histrionics.
Re: Aamir is nothing as a Entertainment Megastar compared to SRK
by Sachin best on Jun 03, 2009 04:43 PM
We agree man, SRK is nothing but publicity stunt and whatever he is today thanx to his relations with Karan Johar, Yash Chopra and the useless media, He can be only compared to Rakhi Sawant, We entirely agree to this, Currently Rakhi Sawant is better than him :-)
He should follow suit and start a show like Rakhi Sawant ka swayamvar :-)
Re: Re: Aamir is nothing as a Entertainment Megastar compared to
by Sachin Marathe on Jun 03, 2009 09:13 PM
So just because of publicity he has become superstar. Media created ohh. Than who pays for the tickets? Media? Its people who pays for his movie. May be craps like you are paid by tingu master to write crap about SRK. Whatever, SRK is the bigger superstar than Aamir.
So Mr. Anand means that Aamir Khan's acting was below average in films like Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander, Sarfarosh, Lagaan, Taare Zameen Pe? Well buddy you are entitled to your opinion, even I can say that Tendulkar does not know to play cricket or Ravi Shankar's sitar does not sound sweet to me!
However many other people much better critics than you including Oscars feel otherwise. In my opinion, in mainstream Hindi cinema, Aamir is the best current lead actor(barring Big B). I am not bringing in the likes of Paresh Rawal and Anupam Kher and of course parallel cinema has very good actors like Irfan.
Re: Re: Top 10 best actors in Bollywood currently...........
by Sachin best on Jun 03, 2009 04:45 PM
Yes mamu but your m0-m is not allowing me to wake up :-)
Re: Re: Top 5 best actors of Bollywood of all times..............
by Sachin Agarkar on Jun 03, 2009 04:23 PM
that should be tea and not time as even your pop can't buy me time
Re: Re: Re: Top 5 best actors of Bollywood of all times..........
by Sachin best on Jun 03, 2009 04:30 PM
Then why does your m0-m gives me so much time and space, Something wrong with your p0-p :-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Top 5 best actors of Bollywood of all times..
by Amey Joshi on Jun 03, 2009 06:12 PM
U r the most uncultured and charecter less person u Sachin Marathe :)
Re: Aamir is nothing as a Entertainment Megastar compared to SRK
by Amey Joshi on Jun 03, 2009 04:46 PM
Don't talk rubbish or harted else u wil hv to pay for this.
Re: Re: Aamir is nothing as a Entertainment Megastar compared to
by olvine furtado on Jun 03, 2009 04:25 PM
This Agarkar guy must have been bribed by SRK....
Re: Re: Re: Aamir is nothing as a Entertainment Megastar compared
by Sachin Agarkar on Jun 03, 2009 04:34 PM
i need not be bribed for telling the facts....only followers of useless blogger aamir khan get bribed for writing nonsense abt him
Re: Re: Re: Aamir is nothing as a Entertainment Megastar compared
by Sachin best on Jun 03, 2009 04:28 PM
lol true, He gets 100 rs chiller every day from his idol ruk ruk khan :-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aamir is nothing as a Entertainment Megastar
by Sachin Agarkar on Jun 03, 2009 04:36 PM
Mass like SRK? So how come he got critics award for Mohobattein and Swades? Why lot of people appreciated him in Chak De? SRK encompasses both style and substance and many Aamir fans have prob. accepting it.
BTW, what was Amitabh doing in sh*t movies like Coolie, Mard, Jaadugar, Toofan, Shahenshah and scores of others in the 80s?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aamir is nothing as a Entertainment Megastar
by PARMITA BORAH on Jun 03, 2009 05:05 PM
After Ghajini, I guess Ammir too jumped into the rat race. With that stupid film, he lost his class and has started hankering after the mass!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aamir is nothing as a Entertainment Megastar
by Sachin Agarkar on Jun 03, 2009 04:37 PM
btw the mass nowadays has meaning redefined...nowadays the mass is the multiplex going audience of the cities compared to teh dehati crowd which used to visit the theatres to see Amitabh potboilers.
........& look how he has succeded in his intentions!!!!!!!!!!!!He is the worst "actor" I have seen, a person who tries very hard to act & that is reflected on the screen. Actually, the effort of acting should not be obvious to the audience. I think Naseer is our finest actor & in mainstream cinema, amrish puri was the finest.Farooqe Sheikh was my personal favourite. Among the Khans, I think noone can be categorised as a good actor.Abhay deol though, acts well & is good material.
Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by anand jhunjhunwala on Jun 03, 2009 03:40 PM
Wildharry, go & watch manorama 6 feet under, DEV D, Oye Lucky Lucky Oye & your views will change. This kid will go places
Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by harish mantri on Jun 03, 2009 03:31 PM
YES MR. ANAND U R ABSOLUTELY RIGHT... U R THE ONLY ACTOR FROM INDIA... NEXT BEST ACTOR GOES TO ABHAY DEOL & ANAND J.........
Re: Re: Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by harish mantri on Jun 03, 2009 03:46 PM
well well well.... dont get abusive abt caste.. though i am not a gujju. but all the gujju's here must be seeing this... even i am indian i can abuse more than anybody here.. dont test people's anger mind u.....and stop posting foolish post.... ha ha ha
Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by anand jhunjhunwala on Jun 03, 2009 03:32 PM
go & watch manorama 6 feet under, DEV D, Oye Lucky Lucky oye,1.40 ki last local & your views about him will change. He is good.
Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by govind rana on Jun 03, 2009 03:30 PM
then mr. anand, if amir is a wrost actor so tell which naseerudin movie earened 250 million on cinema hall.ya i know these all are best actor of bollywood and they have given lots off time to cinema but if bollywood is running then amir is also a racer.
Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by anand jhunjhunwala on Jun 03, 2009 03:36 PM
I only meant to say that he is not an effortless actor & his "preparations" are obvious to the audience. The success or otherwise of his films is incidental. Please remember that Aankhen was not a golden jubilee on the basis of Chunkey Pandey but on the basis of Govinda's effortless comedy.
Re: Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by BHARTI on Jun 03, 2009 03:45 PM
if acting is effortless then you also have a chance to become a herrrrro
Re: Re: Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by anand jhunjhunwala on Jun 03, 2009 03:56 PM
Dear Bharti, acting is not at all effortless but the effort should not be obvious on the screen. It is like you want to go for a shit badly in a party but you go on smiling at the guests effortlessly!!!For example, the efforts of acting are very much visible in cases of Jeetendra,His son, Mithun,His son, Chunky Pandey, Reetesh Deshmukh, Shatrughan Sinha, Shahrukh Khan etc.
Re: Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by harish mantri on Jun 03, 2009 03:40 PM
what r u trying to say mr anand... defintely u r best actor and writer... fine.... is that ok ???
Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by Vishwanathan Anand on Jun 03, 2009 03:42 PM
are u an art movie lover, where camera moves after 6 minutes and the end is so abrupt that you wonder whether the climax was cut by the theatre guys....
NO ACTOR IS LIKED IN EACH OF HIS ROLES
YES I LIKE NASIR GENERALLY, ad liked him most in "wednesday", but DID U LIKE HIM in Tridev or hero hiralal??
Look Amir is an exceptional actor.... his style of acting is more methodic than the effortless style of Nasir etc..... BUT HE IS TRUELY A MASTER
Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by anand jhunjhunwala on Jun 03, 2009 03:51 PM
Dear Vishwanathan, firstly, a movie is a movie & categorising it into art, commercial etc. is sacrilege. Eitheer a movie is good or bad, period.A Sholay or Mera Naam Joker was artistic in many ways & a Saaransh was commercial in many ways.Thus, I am simply a movie buff who enjoys both Fellini & Manmohan Desai.
Look, an actor's job is to justify his role & thus, the script is supreme. No actor can rise above the script. In tridev, Naseer justified the demands of the role perfectly & for your information, his pairing with sonam & the song tirchi topiwale were superhits & he got many other offers with sonam, but refused. Thus, we have to see whether an actor justified his role as per the script or overacted / underacted.In hero hiralal, naseer brought out the nuances of buffoonery in hiralal's character aptly. But in Mangal Pandey, Aamir, screwed up due to overacting & too much emphasis on "looks" rather than the essence of the character. I agree that Amir is methodical, but to call him a master betrays symptoms of being drunk during daytime..............
Re: Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by Vishwanathan Anand on Jun 03, 2009 04:05 PM
oh really when Nasir does it - its the demand of the role and Amir does it in Rangeela - its artificial...
look again u r getting confused, I am not comparing nasir with amir (if i do, i dont think nasir can do 90% roles that amir played and vice versa)
POINT IS - DO U LIKE SOMEBODY'S PRESENCE ON THE SCREEN, IF U SAY U LIKE MANMOHAN DESAI AS WELL THEN U MUST HAVE LIKED AMIR'S COMEDY IN ANDAZ APNA APNA (it wasnt a hit but we all know amir's presence made the difference evry time)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by Vishwanathan Anand on Jun 03, 2009 04:07 PM
and ai also agrre on "symptoms of being drunk during daytime" part.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by anand jhunjhunwala on Jun 03, 2009 04:18 PM
Just to carry the point of Rangeela further, no doubt aamir was good in it but for a tapori, the ultimate actor is Anil Kapoor. In fact, all his essays have been effortless. Rangeela with Amir in it was good but Rangeela with a young Anil Kapoor would have been nuclear, man.
Yes, I accept that Andaz Apna Apna is one of my all time favourites & Amir's comic timing was great......but again, just imagine a younger Anil in place of Amir & your dilemma gets answered. I am not at all saying that amir is bad. Whatever I said about him was relatively speaking & the great man has reached wherever he has by sheer hard work. He is a method actor, period. Give him a role & he will esay it to the best of his abilities. But just tell me one of his roles, which only amir could have portrayed & no one else? See, that is the difference. For example, Sanjeev Kumar in Koshish, Amitabh in Deewar, Naseer in Sparsh, Om puri in Aakrosh, Amrish Puri as Mogambo are roles which only they could have done. But none of Amir's roles have that quality.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by Prem Krishnan on Jun 04, 2009 01:45 PM
Anil Kapoor better in Tapori roles than Aamir... no way!!! No chance at all!!! Take the two films where Aamir enacted the role of a Tapori (Rangeela & Ghulam)... Undoubtedly, two of his finest performances... Both roles are diametrically different and poles apart... A good amount of subtlety was evident in those two roles... Now coming to Anil Kapoor, may be, he essayed more no: of Tapori roles than Aamir; but, it doesn't mean he's the best in that role; all have been same in one way or other... You can't find out any difference... I think, u got it...
Re: Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by Story editor on Jun 03, 2009 04:14 PM
So Mr. Anand means that Aamir Khan's acting was below average in films like Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander, Sarfarosh, Lagaan, Taare Zameen Pe? Well buddy you are entitled to your opinion, even I can say that Tendulkar does not know to play cricket or Ravi Shankar's sitar does not sound sweet to me!
However many other people much better critics than you including Oscars feel otherwise. In my opinion, in mainstream Hindi cinema, Aamir is the best current lead actor(barring Big B). I am not bringing in the likes of Paresh Rawal and Anupam Kher and of course parallel cinema has very good actors like Irfan.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Amir never wanted to be an actor
by chhatrapati on Jun 03, 2009 04:29 PM
well said dude. the cheapest commodity in this world is getting advices from people not having the qualification to give it. these fools don't know the potentials of aamir nd they are jealous of his success. thats why they are barking here.
