Re: MJ was born inTN
by dudeman on Jul 02, 2009 04:07 PM
but his hair is weird..... not like the hair the tamils have. he was afro american. and later because white afro amrican.
Re: He changed Religion to marry lot of Girls !!!
by rdr on Jul 02, 2009 07:09 PM
Your knowledge about MJ is very weak .....was he even interested in girls???? Your mentality is sick .....you cant think beyond that..
After the proclamation of faith "THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD and MOHAMED IS HIS MESENGER and SERVANT of GOD" he became MASOOM (SINLESS).. and whatever sin (if he did) after that it is counted and will bear punishment from The CREATOR...
Re: MJ was a MUSLIM long back...
by sameer bhagwaan on Jul 02, 2009 05:29 PM
so technically speaking if i were hitler, and if i say that just before I die, all my sins would be washed away?
Re: MJ was a MUSLIM long back...
by rdr on Jul 02, 2009 07:12 PM
Before the news of MJ converting to islam all the people on this forum praised him in all the manners now after knowing tht he converted to islam and followed the idealogy of "There is only one GOD (ALLAH) and Mohammad (S.W.S) is his messenger" all the going against him....
You are wrong.. We Mus'lims bury the body and its natural, we dont pollute the environment, and also another body is also burried at the same place after some considerable months and HENCE NO WASTE OF LAND... actually perfect utlisation of Nature without damaging it, in any form..... hope this makes some sense to you....
Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. complete natura
by Aasim on Jul 03, 2009 11:52 AM
Dear friends,
At last MJ's will was to bury him in Muslim tradition, so be it. But I am sure after hearing that he converted to Islam, many of whom were crying and giving sympathy to him after death, may push back. This shows the lack of acceptance of a person own right to follow a religion. No one can force anyone in terms of religion, let him be buried, we pray for him being rested in paece and may Lord almighty forgive all his sins, as he was also a human like us.
Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. complete natura
by Amey Joshi on Jul 02, 2009 03:11 PM
Dear Brother, U r totally wrong... U didn't get my point. Do u know that when we put fires to bodies not only it cleans the dust,atmoshpere, it also clears the dead insects and clears everything garbage.
U may be replacing body of other bodies after considerable time... but then still u r wasting the land. Y to even waste that much of land do we? That can be used for any good purpose like for kid school,medical shop,doctor,any store.
That would be the imperfect utlisation of Nature with damaging everything. You feel that rite bcoz ur @reli-gon_ says so and u r not ready change it. Have u ever taken opinion of other persons. Try these and then tell me.
Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. complete na
by Testing Life on Jul 02, 2009 03:26 PM
What about the Air pollution, Water pollution, and the felling of the TREES to Burn the BOdy??
Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. com
by messenger on Jul 02, 2009 05:36 PM
there are some h1nduz, specifically some castes who bury their dead, why is that? anyone knows?...serious answers only please..dont start abusing..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief..
by Amey Joshi on Jul 03, 2009 09:01 AM
I accept only for child and unmarried fellows and for some caste.
Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. complet
by Amey Joshi on Jul 02, 2009 03:45 PM
human body is combination of five basic natural elements (Sanskrit panch-tatva meaning five elements)namely agni (fire), jal (water), vayu (air), prithvi(land, soil) and akash (space at large). When one dies fire (agni tatva) ceases and inorder that living form is sent to its original state of creation,fire is used to complete the fifth element.
According to_Hindu_traditions, the reasons for preferring to destroy the corpse by fire over burying it into ground is to induce a feeling of detachment into the freshly disembodied spirit, which will be helpful to encourage it into passing to "the other world"
Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. com
by kal jayi on Jul 02, 2009 04:55 PM
dear amey...ur statement abt 5 elements caught my attention !Its off the deabet u r having wid this guy here ! Where hav u read abt the 5 elements I wud like to know ?
Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. complete na
by Testing Life on Jul 02, 2009 03:28 PM
By Burying the body, the body become manure for the fertility of the soil, and thus the chemical components after long years will become the Hydrocarobon (petroleum components)...
Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. complet
by Amey Joshi on Jul 02, 2009 03:41 PM
I’vealreadyexplainedyou everything It seemsto ethat urpeanut sizebrainis notready toacceptit Itnever pollutesanyatmoshophe Firstproveme bygivingdetails or any links... um0r0nIt cleansthe atmosphere Wernotlikeu whoevendoes notspareurownfamilymembers afterdeath.Wedon't waste landslikeu by buryingthem.
Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. complet
by Amey Joshi on Jul 02, 2009 03:46 PM
If the corpses are not consigned to fire, they get degenerated or consumed resulting in ground, air, and water pollution and through them various germs and worms spread infections and diseases. By consigning the corpse to fire, these pollutions’ risks are reduced and if, in that fire some Ghee and Havan Samagri is added, the practice and experiments have established that there is less of environmental pollution and emission of foul smell because of their disinfecting properties.
By adding ghee to the fire, the rise in temperature of the flames results in total destruction of those germs and worms. As per tests undertaken jointly by CANA (Cremation Association of America) and EPA (Environmental Protection Agency on Human and Animal Crematories) in June 1999, when the dead body is confined to fire for cremation the results showed that the emissions of nearly all the tested pollutants are decreased.
Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. complet
by Testing Life on Jul 02, 2009 03:29 PM
and also Buying the body is the cheapest and economical, all you need is a man (some relative or social worker) to dig a grave...
Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. com
by Amey Joshi on Jul 03, 2009 09:03 AM
I_accept_only_for_child_and_ unmarried_fellows_and_for_some _caste.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief..
by kal jayi on Jul 02, 2009 05:01 PM
Both of you are giving stupid reasons witout knowing the basic fact.Mmuzlims bury bodies becoz they believe in judgment day wen several souls are taken out from each grave.We give bodies to fire becoz we belive fire to be the purest,and dear amey joshi..it seems u r young and haven't seen the cremations much, we also bury bodies of dead,those who die witout getting married are not burned on wood, they are burried in ground my dear....and like u said abt 5 elements above, the ones u mentioned are not the five elements..its hoax created by west- tats y i asked u where u read it..Its proper explanation of wat are 5 elements is mentioned in Rig veda- nowhere else....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious beli
by Amey Joshi on Jul 02, 2009 05:11 PM
Kal Jayi... FYI it is not hoax or any fake rumor. I guess u have not read Rig veda properly that's y u r saying that one. Dude it's of 5 elements as I've described and also body is set to fire not just bcoz fire is purest it's bcoz of made of 5 reaons. It's u who is giving_stupid_reason. I_only_accept ur point that body of childs and unmarried people are burried.. but those r very rare case and that does not waste any land.
First go and read Rigveda or consult to any priest and then tell me if I am wrong or rite.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious
by kal jayi on Jul 02, 2009 05:18 PM
amey- giv me your number - i ll explain u wat 5 elements are - if u r really interested to know- the names u mentioned above are not 5 elements- its western thinking - 5 elements are clearly mentioned in our scriptures- they can be identified only by quality and not be seen or felt.....5 elements each have a quality and an expression tats all....dude I hav been studying all the scriptures since age 5 - so there is no point in arguing over something which is a hoax
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstiti
by Amey Joshi on Jul 03, 2009 08:59 AM
Definately I'll give u my no, but first confrim that it's not written in Rigveda then I will accept whatever u say. FYI u r repeating the same thing that is thought process of western culture whcih is not like that, it's fact of h!nd00 r_e_l_i_g_i_o_n. Ohh really if u studying at the age of 5 then it is shame for u... (I really doubt whatever u r saying is fake story).
Also for ur information I am not bothered whether they are seen or felt, if u don'f find whatever I am pointing out is not arguable then y r u arguing with me. Dude, I am not forcing my views to believe whatever I say or not.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious beli
by Amey Joshi on Jul 02, 2009 05:03 PM
dude don't tell me ok. I am absolutely rite and I am not young I knew everything.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious
by kal jayi on Jul 02, 2009 05:07 PM
then if u know everything then y hav u mentioned wring details abt 5 elements...water is an element ...its a compound - H2O...grow up !!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Supers
by Amey Joshi on Jul 02, 2009 05:29 PM
It's upto u to keep in faith me or not. I am not bound to beleive what u say...Dude apart from these Purana it is also mentioned in Rigveda .. If u not read it is not my fault.... Even if u go by scince these are the facts which I've told u.
Read Rigveda and then tell me ok.
A compound can can not be element but is human body and it is made of element. I hope u got it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Supers
by kal jayi on Jul 02, 2009 05:22 PM
I dont need to read your reply again and this is my last mesg over this debate- like i have already mentioned above- water is a copmound - H2O, hydrogen di oxide - I hope u remember your science basics...how can a compound be an element,,,,and to tell u the truth now- the details of 5 elements are not mentioned in Rig Veda- I just wrote tat to see wat u hav to say on it- its mentioned in Yog Patanjal Pradeep - yajur veda - ravana sanhita and mahashiv purana-- only - no where else
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief..
by kal jayi on Jul 02, 2009 05:01 PM
Both of you are giving stupid reasons witout knowing the basic fact.Mmuzlims bury bodies becoz they believe in judgment day wen several souls are taken out from each grave.We give bodies to fire becoz we belive fire to be the purest,and dear amey joshi..it seems u r young and haven't seen the cremations much, we also bury bodies of dead,those who die witout getting married are not burned on wood, they are burried in ground my dear....and like u said abt 5 elements above, the ones u mentioned are not the five elements..its hoax created by west- tats y i asked u where u read it..Its proper explanation of wat are 5 elements is mentioned in Rig veda- nowhere else....
Re: Re: No Misconceptions.. no Superstitious belief.. complete na
by messenger on Jul 02, 2009 05:35 PM
There are some hindus ( specifically some castes) who bury their dead, why is that? Anyone knows?..
