Ilaiyaraaja was so overwhelmed after seeing Naan Kadavul that he says he developed fever. He would rather have his name shown in the title card as "Introducing" Ilaiyaraaja!!i just cant wait for the movie to release esp to hear that brilliant Re-recording of the Maestro...Long live the King!
Music reviews must be done by those who know their stuff. Does Pavithra know the definition of a "tune"? She uses it so liberally and so inappropriately that one wonders what qualification she has to write a music review? I am not expecting a musicologist to review, comparing genres, talkig about multiple counterpoints and chromaticism or Shruti bedham.. but at least Rediff can hire someonw who has a basic gyaan!
Re: What Qualifications do these Music Reviewers have?
by anupama boopathy on Jan 24, 2009 07:47 PM
I completely agree with Mr. Ratan! Now a days writing a review is like eating a chocolate!
Ilayaraja is the real master when it comes to soulful music. Unfortunately his peak was in the 80s when there was no internet and groups to hype him up. That said it is no disservice to Rahman. Rahman is genius in his own way as he popularised Indian music in the whole world by taking the best of both worlds. Ilayaraja didn't compromise but his works in tamil are comparable and sometimes even better than that of A R Rahman. Even ARR will be glad to admit that.
Re: You can't say by seeing movie stills...
by saigeetha jagannathan on Jan 22, 2009 05:22 PM
As you say, Ilayaraja is a legend. Here is an instance. Raja used RD Burman's troop to record the song 'Sundari kannal' for Maniratnam's Dhalapathi in Mumbai. RD Burman was stunned with the composition and requested not to enter Bollywood as the reigning bollywood music directors would loose their chances. Thats his charisma.
Re: You can't say by seeing movie stills...
by SUMAN on Jan 22, 2009 05:05 PM
madesh kumar iam very happy you are saying ilayaraja music is more realistic then rahman. ilayaraja is the living legenend in music unfortunately rajas period no media. but now rahmans period media hyped is music otherwise rahman ordinary music director.raja is the only music director created lot of experiments in music.lot of music directors copied rajas music.so raja is the god of music
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by anupama boopathy on Jan 24, 2009 12:57 AM
In spite of being in the field for nearly 17 years as you say, Rehman doesn't even have one fourth of the films to his credit that Ilayaraaja had when he was only 5 years old to the industry. Hindi always had great composers like Naushad, Shanker Jaikishan, the Burmans, Roshan, Lakhmikant pyarelal, khayyam, Op nayyar, Ravindra Jain , kalyanji Anandji etc. Any Raaja fan would surely appreciate these Giants. How can you expect them to appreciate a person who is just a dwarf in front of these Giants? Hindi field now also has good music directors like Anu malik, Ismail darbar, Shankar Ishan loy etc who are doing a great job. How can you claim that good music is not being churned and only Rehman has come for their rescue? Rehman is on a journey to garner publicity fame etc, which is a personal thing and globalization is helping him in getting such kind of recognition. You people sitting in Tamil nadu think that no body else can give what Rehman is giving to Hindi field. But any ordinary Hindi music lover would prefer to listen and hum a simple, melodious tune than a collage. Isn't the song 'Haule Haule' from Rab ne banadi jodi given by Salim Suleman appealing to the ears? When music is appealing, it automatically reaches the soul. Music is an addiction. People can get addicted to fake music in the same way as they can get addicted to good music. Choosing to be natural or unnatural needs maturity. There are also other music directors like Vidhyasagar, Yuvan shankar, Mani Sharm
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by anupama boopathy on Jan 24, 2009 01:00 AM
There are also other music directors like Vidhyasagar, Yuvan shankar, Mani Sharma, Bharadwaj etc in south who are really trying to do some thing. Have you ever imagined why these people are not being projected? It's only because they don't have the Marketing genius of Rehman. Hence stop worshiping false icons. Jago India Jago!!!
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Jan 25, 2009 11:29 AM
Ms. Bhoopathy, Dont make a mistake of calling Anu malik as a good music director. Most of his compositions are shameless rip off of legend Ilayaraja's.
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by Rangarajan Ayengar on Jan 22, 2009 06:38 PM
You have every right to say that Ilaiyaraja is a legend which he is. But saying that ARR is ordinary shows ur fanatism of being an Ilaiyaraja fan.
First learn to appreciate other MDs. Bluntly dont say ur conclusion.
Agreed that during Ilaiyaraja's time there was no media but he could not make his presence in Hindi also apart from South Indian languages.
Now that during ARR's time there are a lot of MDs. Are they able to churn out classics as ARR does. The answer is a arguably a big NO.
Hype helps u but only talent sustains. Thats y even after 17 years in the field he reigns supreme and by God's grace would do so for another couple of decades.
Most of the Ilaiyaraja fans listen to only South Indian songs. Thats y they conclude that he is the God of Music. God should be Omnipotent not only to South Indian Music(film). Pls come out of the South Indian domain. There are lot of persons who are much much talented than him. For name sake many classical singers/musicians from of Carnatic and Hindustani fall in this category.
For example M.S.Subbulakshmi was also during the period earlier than Ilaiyaraja.Wasnt she popular in western world. Yes she was. Who was the hype behind that. Talent speaks most of the time.
Still donno what happened to the Symphony recorded by Ilaiyaraja. God knows when it will be released.
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by anupama boopathy on Jan 24, 2009 01:02 AM
Listening to Ilaiyaraaja's music takes a person totally to a different plane where he becomes a specialist in choosing music which is valuable. Music awareness is as important to a person as is awareness about food. Only musically aware people choose good music to listen. Others, knowingly or unknowingly fall prey to fake music which they think is real. It is like preferring Inorganic to Organic. The difference is vast. Hence people appreciating His music will surely appreciate good music by other Music directors also. It makes me laugh when you say that Ilaiyaraaja's fans have limited themselves only to South Indian music. Do you know that South India has four different languagues and his music is not the same in all these languages? Ilaiyaraaja's movie 'Sadma' is more than enough to prove his presence in Hindi. No one can forget the euphoria it created among the people of North. Ilaiyaraaja could have gone and settled in North with its success, but he didn't. He was on the go with loads of films in the south. In addition, he never bothered if his tunes were reused by other music directors like Anand Milind in Hindi. With all these songs as real hits his presence was always felt in Hindi music.
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by Sriram Govindarajan on Jan 27, 2009 02:48 PM
If your music only strikes musically aware ppl and not the common men,then you are not fit to be a music director...
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by jay veecee on Jan 24, 2009 06:21 PM
i am surprised by the comment that illayaraja's music is confined to south. ok. illayaraja not done many films outside south, but many of his hit songs are copied by north indian music directors. eg- aanand milind, anumalik ..etc. dhak dhak karne laga song of beta, payale jum jum jumjum of virasath, tu tu tu tutu tara of bol radha bol are some examples. aanand milind copied a lot of ilayaraja songs. his songs in sadma is excellent. even in recent hit film cheeni cum illayaraja hit the bulls eye.
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by Golden Word on Jan 22, 2009 08:47 PM
It is copied from delhi-6 music post. RA, what a hypocrisy. You do the same what you didn't want to do there. What are doing here by the way? Re: ILLAYARAJA is the GURU by Rangarajan Ayengar on Jan 21, 2009 01:29 PM Permalink Thats what I was thinking. Where the hell did the Ilaiyaraja fans go?
whenever the media or public heaps praises on ARR these lunatics appear to spoil them.
Cant stand ARR being praised.
U people would have only heartburns out of jealousy.
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by Rangarajan Ayengar on Jan 22, 2009 09:23 PM
Understand the Post first. Then write a reply. The reply was for the Post that ARR is a mediocre MD. To say that is baseless I wrote the above.
If u read the post I mentioned that IR is also a legend and that I mentioned that he cannot be called GOD of Music.
U praise ur MD but dont degrade others. I didnt do that here.
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by a b on Jan 22, 2009 10:24 PM
Foolish Rangarajan. Ilayaraja's main strength is his knowlegde and usage of western instruments and style of composition. Naive fools like you always think that his compositions are south indian and is classical but it not so really. Just because he did not become famous in north india does not mean his music is south indian in nature. Don't campare a sound engnieer like ARR with a music genius like Ilayaraja...
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by ANDREW BENJAMIN on Jan 24, 2009 09:14 PM
The South Indian Film Field was kept alive by Ilaya Raaja from the onslaught of Hindi and English.He was totally dedicated to the Industry and had been working for 18 hours a day which brought in small time players into the field as producers and directors and even actors.He was not selective to give music only to big producers and big banners.Can anybody work to give music for more than 35 movies in a year? As per IR music should flow freely. ARR is known to give selectively for big banners for big money.He is a business man who manages his time between media and composing.Even now IR uses live orchestra to give the livelihood for the musicians.Whereas ARR is giving synthetic sounds replacing real musicians and this was told to me personally by a musician who shifted out of Chennai last year.Even during his hey days IR was not using the media.He did not have time and also he was not bothered about.Old Type.He will be talked about for long but fast music will disappear fast.We heard from the telugu director of Mallepuvu that all the songs were tuned in less than an hour.Compare this with months of waiting for a movie from ARR. Who is serving the industry more selflessly? ARR is like Sachin who are class examples of selfish individuals.
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by Guest on Jan 24, 2009 08:38 PM
Clearly it is now understood that the social background plays a big role in getting projected. The whole picture is not debated here.The urge to saffronize and sanskritize the society is the real reason behind under playing the music of Ilayaraaja and in the game to upstage him the likes of Manirathnams and Shankars have brought in the head strong ARR who once was refusing to accept even the presence of Ilayaraaja on this earth.Such was his humility.Bogus fellow.How can his music touch your soul when the character displayed by him was only for the masses. Neo Indians are behind his success and they invariably belong to the groups of Shankars and Manirathnams.A person who is famous for his ingratitude can never give good music.
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Jan 25, 2009 04:08 PM
Mr. Rangarajan, Its foolish to rate IR lower than ARR just because he was not famous in Bollywood. IR would have gained much more popularity than what ARR achieved today but he simply chose not to venture into Hindi film industry. Morover, it is a well known fact that the so called 'Lords of Bollywood' of 70's and 80's were hampering the uprising of several talented faces from other industries including south. The best example can be the heavy lobbying in national awards in those days. At present, the scenario is slowly changing.
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by Golden Word on Jan 22, 2009 08:28 PM
Listen to "Thiruvasagam: A Classical Crossover" You can listen to his massive intrusions of symphony there.
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by a b on Jan 22, 2009 10:26 PM
Foolish Rangarajan. Ilayaraja's main strength is his knowlegde and usage of western instruments and style of composition. Naive fools like you always think that his compositions are south indian and is classical but it not so really. Just because he did not become famous in north india does not mean his music is south indian in nature. Don't campare a sound engnieer like ARR with a music genius like Ilayaraja...
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by Rangarajan Ayengar on Jan 22, 2009 11:36 PM
Only fanatics in the name of fans like u start the comparison by saying that ARR is mediocre.
By the time I am writing this ARR has already been nominated for 3 academy awards. This is a feat unparalleled in Indian History. He will definitely win at least one. A likely Oscar winner who has been appreciated by John Williams and Zimmer is a mediocre. This shows ur ignorance. I pity u and ur fellow beings.
One thing is certain that all of u similar fanatics dont know how to appreciate a fellow MD.Even now I reiterate again that IR is a legend. But he could not acheive what ARR has acheived. This is a fact that no one can deny.Getting recognition in the global stage like Oscars and Golden Globes, Critics Award is not an easy task. For that u need to expand ur boundaries which he could not do.
when a person that too an Indian does this be magnanimous to appreciate him.
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by Srivatsan Muthuswamy on Jan 23, 2009 01:52 PM
Hello Rangarajan,
I definitely agree ARR is a legend and not a mediocre md and all. But you have to agree that Raja is beyond comparison. I want both Raaja and Rahman to do bgm's for the same film , and the director must pick up one from that.
What the director will chose , lets assume he is neutral?
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by Golden Word on Jan 23, 2009 04:30 AM
Whole India now knows why SLUMDOG millionaire is a favorite movie for big "whiteman" award. ARR's music, not alone can't do that. If that was the case,they should have awarded to previously nominated Indian movies. So be happy about the "SLUMDOG" stuff.
BTW, why can't you stick to our own words of staying off from this HR Ilayaraja stuff. Your attempts of explaining will only go vain here.
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by anupama boopathy on Jan 24, 2009 03:35 PM
Mr. Rangarajan, it is you who have put your self into a nutshell and feel that all others are fanatics or hypocrites. If getting recognized globally is an achievement then you say that all the famous personalities of this country who make us proud have achieved nothing. Why should the country feel proud if some members of other country come together and award some body? If west is recognizing any Indian, it’s in their own interest to promote their ideals and culture. Remember what happened in 90’s with a spate of world titles to Indian beauties. Moreover what happens in west with respect to awards is an open secret now. The euphoria being generated by media and relished by the neo Indians is not justified. With a mother tongue other than English ( Hindi or any other Regional language) anyone would only translate the word ‘Slumdog’ into ‘a dog of a slum’ literally (which is perfectly right) and it clearly hurts to see human beings being called dogs just because they are poor. A true Indian would never have accepted to act or compose music for a film with such a Title. Creating hype and advertising themselves as artists has become more important than caring for people’s emotions.
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by Srivatsan Muthuswamy on Jan 23, 2009 01:59 PM
Rahman scored for Bollywood and gained popularity. That is what Raaja didn't achieve and I dont want him to achieve it, cos its not an achievement:)
Popularity is temporary , Class is permanent. I agree Rahman is one of the best , but Raaja is the best.
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by Srivatsan Muthuswamy on Jan 23, 2009 01:55 PM
Getting an Oscar doesn't mean a md is one of the most talented to me. You mean Slumdog's score is better than Raaja's . No way. If Rahman is a legend , certainly Raaja is a God. He is beyond OSCAR.
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by anupama boopathy on Jan 24, 2009 03:44 PM
Mr. Rangarajan, People who fake humility are cheered on and people who heed humanity are discouraged. Anil Kapoor and Rahman are celebrated as Heroes by those who crave for fame by hook or crook. It gives them a platform to project themselves. Nothing more than that. When poverty gets projected on the screen by someone from the film field for obvious business reasons, they try to derive maximum benefits by marketing poverty and themselves unmindful of the sentiments of locals. Beautifully it is coated with fake patriotism for the gullible public. No matter how good the movie is made technically, soon it will be forgotten by those who ‘enjoyed’ watching the fictitious characters, praising the media savvy artists who were part of those ‘creative productions’ but people who work for the real characters are real Heroes of this land. Now it is clear that this movie is made for making money by deriding the Indians shamelessly which gets applauded quite naturally abroad. This is the secret behind the success of this movie whether one agrees to it or not. Being Indians these ‘greats’ should have refused to be a part of this production with this title at the least. They were awarded for their treachery and by the jury filled with lot of neo Indians it seems who celebrate any success achieved by any means. Compare this with ‘Salaam Bombay’.
Even I support Mr.Kandy's view that only Sethu was the good film directed by Bala. Pithamagan & Nanda were average movies. Atleast can we expect something special in Nan Kadavul !
Re: Rightly said Mc kandy
by saigeetha jagannathan on Jan 22, 2009 04:42 PM
Mr. Pen. The subtleness and intensity of Nanda and Pithamagan have been appreciated widely and you call them average movies!!. Thats your taste. Go and watch Kannada movies. They are suitable for you.
Re: Re: Rightly said Mc kandy
by Z PuttIndies on Jan 22, 2009 06:53 PM
"Subtleness" - and Bala?? Even in "Sethu", his best work till date, I don't think there was any subtleness. It was pretty in-the-face. Nothing wrong with that...provided there is content. Bala started a "movement" in a way bringing Tamil movies out of a dark age -- out of a spate of pseudo-intellectual movies of the 90's by Ajit, Prashant, and the likes. But, all that said, Nanda and Pithamagan were average fare.
Re: Re: Re: Rightly said Mc kandy
by ANDREW BENJAMIN on Jan 24, 2009 08:50 PM
When a westerner comes and shows to the world the ugly under belly of India there are shameless Indians too who go ga-ga over the fare.The sons(magans)of parents(Pitha) who are average can not appreciate good movies and can't digest that the so called developed Civilization in fact is not so great at all when exposed by the likes of Bala. LONG LIVE INDIA!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rightly said Mc kandy
by ANDREW BENJAMIN on Jan 24, 2009 08:51 PM
When a westerner comes and shows to the world the ugly under belly of India there are shameless Indians too who go ga-ga over the fare.The sons(magans)of parents(Pitha) who are average can not appreciate good movies and can't digest that the so called developed Civilization in fact is not so great at all when exposed by the likes of Bala. LONG LIVE INDIA!!
I'm sure that this movie will be a flop....For this Bala(Director of this movie) only Sethu(his 1st movie)was good other than that everything is average....And Arya(Actor)is a flop hero...He will overact in all the movies....By seeing these pictures I think that he will do the same.....Letzzz see
Re: Flop Movieeeeee
by micheal on Jan 22, 2009 03:10 PM
i think u dont have enough knowledge about Bala's movies... he is one of talented director down south..he has giiven hits like Sethu,Nanda and Pithamagan.... all the movies were diff from usual movies and all were hits.. so wait for Naan Kadavul and then give ur remarks..
Re: Flop Movieeeeee
by micheal on Jan 22, 2009 03:25 PM
Mr.Kandy.... w/o any knowledge about Bala's movie just dont give ur remarks now itself... Bala is one of the finest director in Tamil cinema.. His movies Sethu ,Nanda and Pithamagan were totally diff from other usual story movies and all were hits... So wait for the movie to release see the difference in movie whether it is a hit or flop....
Re: Re: Flop Movieeeeee
by SUMAN on Jan 22, 2009 02:24 PM
hello mc kanday your knowledge in movies zero. bala is great director.is all films are naturally.his movies like pithamagan telugu shivaputhrudu is superhit.vikram won the national award in this movie
