This movie was made with true emotions and great story which can claim any of the awards. Incredibly the best Actor we have and the best direction you can ever get.... Precise to the point and higly appriciable thoughts....Pure Collection of Love and emotion.
To win an Oscar the film must stand out or be different. Basically the director must take a lot of risks - with the story and direction.
Just an example - In recent times, how many movies have been made in Bollywood with a plot that has a suspense element to it? Perhaps none! ..and I dont consider Kaho naa pyaar hai as a movie with a good suspense plot...it was a one-dimensional plot. The reason being suspense plots are very difficult to make because the director has to keep the audience's interest in the movie until the end and also make sure that he does not reveal the plot.
If the viewer gets bored half-way through the movie, he walks away. If the viewer finds out what is going to happen then too he walks away. Imagine a movie like 'The Sixth Sense', the charm of the movie lies in the last few scenes and thats what made it a great movie.
Most bollywood directors dont take that risk, instead they unravel the suspense element 2/3 way into the movie and basically turn the last 60 minutes of the movie into a straight-forward cat and mouse race.
Im not saying suspense movies are the only way to win awards but I hope you understand what Im trying to say...
Also most stories lack a good plot and charcters lack depth. All in all not worth being labelled best foreign language film in the world. Perhpas Lagaan deserved it, Aamir Khan himself conceded that the movie that won deserved it more than Lagaan.
Re: Why bollywood movies struggle to win at the Oscars?
by Abhishek K on Jan 14, 2009 09:36 PM
I dont understand wht made you stick to suspence element here? What kind of suspence you can expect in a movie like TZP? The sixth sence was good but he also never made it for oscars. I think bollywood has came a really long way. Look at the movies that were made in 80s. Every year we have some movies which are in class in iteself and that speaks of the fact that things are changing. As per the Oscars are concerned, promotion is where our movies lag. Also the songs in the movies don't get too well with western audience. I don't care about them as we love songs :)
Re: Re: Why bollywood movies struggle to win at the Oscars?
by Super User on Jan 14, 2009 11:27 PM
You didnt get my point... the suspense movie was just an example. The moot point is bollywood producers do not take big risks. They stick to tried and tsted formula. Why should formula movies be awarded? After all they have only copied th same used techniques.
A good example of a director taking risk is Clint Eastwood's Million Dollar Baby - a movie about a female boxer. Boxing movies will get the typical male crowd in who look for action but the movie is not a stereotyped action movie. Because it is based on boxing, it may put the female audiences away. He took th risk of narrating a brilliant sory of a female boxer and the relationship between the coach and the boxer. It required a very seasoned hand to make it work and Clint Eastwood (as director and actor) and Hillary Swank left audiences spell-bound. It deserved an Oscar and got 4!!
Now tell me the average bollywood movie producer/director (Yash Raj, Karan Johar etc.) who takes that level of risk? All they are interested is box office revenues. Even Clint Eastwood would have had to justify the spend but its a case of risk more on a product that you are confident about as opposed to Bollywood's low risk strategy and be happy with making it a hit with 1.2 billion Indians rather than make money by having the whole world watch it.
Re: Re: There are
by K on Jan 15, 2009 12:58 AM
Indians like you dont like other Indians getting recognition. Why sour grapes? TZP had box office success besides critical acclaim.
Re: There are
by anu on Jan 14, 2009 08:42 PM
it was just one movie out the thousands bollywood churns out, lets not degrade others and look within first.
We should be sended to Kannada fillums..now days Kannada fillums very good style, very good money and very good stunts..Market fight in Vamshi fillum of our Puneethanna was best in whole world movies ...
Music in Kannada is improvment two. Listened to Psycho songs..better than slumdog millions songs...Jai Dr. Raj...
You have to understand the difference between Western and Indian perceptions. In rich countries where the average population is far well off than our counterparts in India, movies like Slumdog are novel because you don't see those extremes in places like the U.S. normally. In India movies cheer up the bulk of the masses who have a hard life and go to the movies to relax and have fun. TZP while novel in India has been a subject focussed on in many Western films. Finally the box office success matter more than awards because it raises funds to make better films in the end.
Doesn't really matter. TZP is winner. The story, acting, screen play, direction doesn't get better than this. Hope other movies which topped the list are worth otherwise it will leave dirty smell of politics behind. Hope SRK is also not behind putting it down; I don't think so...
Re: Re: TZP loses Oscer but wins hearts
by kanhaiyalal ramnani on Jan 14, 2009 09:19 PM
he is quite right. may be srk would be pressing to out the tzp from oskar. aamir has defeated him with sky touching collections of ghazini. because of ghazini, rab ne bana..... didn't attract people attention. if it would have been released much before ghazini, the become would be super hit. the reality is film is average hit.
Re: TZP loses Oscer but wins hearts
by SANDEEP NAYAK on Jan 14, 2009 08:05 PM
Dude!!! You are jealous of SRK else i dont think any reason y his name shud be in this forum...
Re: Re: TZP loses Oscer but wins hearts
by Rahul on Jan 14, 2009 08:54 PM
Chill man... I am SRK fan too but he is capable of doing anything like this... I have said hope he is not part of putting it down.
We love you Amir, Oscar is never given for 'feel good' movies....I am not sure if slumdog will win, well it might win...because it is about 'Indian slums'...westerners favorite theme
Re: Doesnt matter
by sidharth sood on Jan 14, 2009 08:39 PM
very rightly said.thewe westerers want to see slums of india and they wil nominate such movies.For E.G sALAAM BOMBAY.When they get to see real good stuff like TZP ,they cant digest it.any movie on war in bosnia,israel -palestine issue,they will nominate it and even give the award.But when it comes something like TZP ,they turn their heads away.Even BLACK could have won it,but i dont know what happen to our slelection committe that they sent PAHELI,an absolutely useless movie.though i am a hard core SRK fan,i would still say TZP deserved it.BLACK deserved it.
Re: Re: Doesnt matter
by ramen das on Jan 14, 2009 08:49 PM
black was a trash movie... if any movie really deserved 2 be sent...that was black friday...
Actually the foreigners dont know kind of torture, competitive and pressure from parents these Indian kids face.. so if you dont know about this you are bound to not impressed with TZP...
Re: TZP
by Kiran on Jan 14, 2009 09:39 PM
Very true . If the judges or nominators cannot relate based on their own experiences or perception then it is impossible for TZP to make it at the Oscars.
Re: Sad story of Oscars
by Dev Chan on Jan 14, 2009 07:35 PM
yeah, a better nonsense list is: 1. golmal return 2. singh is king 3. ghajini 4. rab ne bana di jodi
