periyar spoke ill of a great son of the soil like subrahmanya bharathi just because the latter was a brahmin. I agree that periyar faced discrimination from brahmins and so was the fate of so many people. For that sake he wanted to carve out a separate dravida nadu was a bullshit idea. He opposed sanskrit and hindi. But loved English. Then what kind of a man he was? An anti national and anti cultural to the core. People like rajaji and bharathi were true leaders. Even though they were born as brahmins they spoke against the caste system and division in the society without disturbing the harmony of society. They were true tamil legends. Even thiruvalluvar was that kind of a legend. But periyar by taking the name of thiruvalluvar did all evils. The beauty of whole episode was his mother tongue was not tamil but kannada. But his followers just claim the superiority of tamil. Where as this man knew atleast three southern languages, whereas his proud followers are not even aware of tamil culture or not well versed in tamil. he was just a half baked idiot believing in whatever the whites wrote about indian history. A man(?) who manipulated politics of his time with his own cooked up stories.
periyar spoke ill of a great son of the soil like subrahmanya bharathi just because the latter was a brahmin. I agree that periyar faced discrimination from brahmins and so was the fate of so many people. For that sake he wanted to carve out a separate dravida nadu was a bullshit idea. He opposed sanskrit and hindi. But loved English. Then what kind of a man he was? An anti national and anti cultural to the core. People like rajaji and bharathi were true leaders. Even though they were born as brahmins they spoke against the caste system and division in the society without disturbing the harmony of society. They were true tamil legends. Even thiruvalluvar was that kind of a legend. But periyar by taking the name of thiruvalluvar did all evils. The beauty of whole episode was his mother tongue was not tamil but kannada. But his followers just claim the superiority of tamil. Where as this man knew atleast three southern languages, whereas his proud followers are not even aware of tamil culture or not well versed in tamil. he was just a half baked idiot believing in whatever the whites wrote about indian history. A man(?) who manipulated politics of his time with his own cooked up stories.
by Purohit Sharma on May 01, 2007 06:23 PM | Hide replies
PLEASE READ IT CAREFULLY. During Krita,Thretha,Dwapara yugas we Brahmins were enjoying beef since Vedic Period.Dalits were also taking it in an inferior form.We did not allow good quality beef to them,just like we don%u2019t allow cow slaughter even now. There was a preparation called Madhuparakom,which is cooked beef added high quality honey and nuts.It is very tasty.We take along with vedic alcohol the somarasa a beer like drink. Lord Indra was always intoxicated with that creating problems womanizing etc.Yugas passed and in the Kaliyuga Sribudha came and told the people the practice of killing animals getting intoxicated and womanizing destroying national wealth for these are all sins just like as written in the Holy Bible.So people clamored enormously with Budhism.It became a great movement against our Brahminism.Then our forefathers had a meeting in holy city of Varanasi.We had monopolized everything in India since we Aryans came to India .How to continue enjoying the country%u2019s wealth, how to continue enjoying royal girls... Dasaradha was actually impotent. He will not have anybody to inherit. Then it was our illustrious Brahmin Priest Bhrigu after the Puthrakameshti Yaga%u2026The king was so happy that he offered all the wives for use of the priests. Then the chief Bhrigu impregnated all of them and Dasaradha got four children. That is the reason why all the other upper castes remain subordinate to us. This practice continues even now in different forms.
Then it was decided to sacrifice beef eating. It was a very clever move. So we have stopped that and adopted vegetarianism. Declared all those eat beef are untouchables. So all the low castes and subsequently all other faiths became untouchables! We were able to throw Budhism out of India and reestablish our supremacy%u2026.Now it is clear to you%u2026.
But we are definitely afraid of you Christians since you educate the untouchables. That is a catastrophy for us. We enslaved them by monopolizing knowledge, the vid Vedas, we were its custodians. Now you impart them the vital knowledge power for the very existence, survival and progress. So we are really afraid. We will try to kill the missionaries e.g. Australian missionary, Kerala counterparts etc.We sincerely fear ultimately India will be a Christian Nation.
A BRAHMIN FOR THE DOWNTRODDEN by Purohit Sharma on May 01, 2007 06:20 PM | Hide replies
A Brahmin who understands reality speaks: There is a village near Chidambaram in Tamil Nadu where a high priest Brahmins lives. They decided being they are the greatest they will not go any where, everything should come to them. They avoided any education except their moribund Sanskrit language. See now after centuries of self created isolation they are worse than Dalits in education poverty etc. Similarly, white Caucasian villages near New York who avoided all modern gadgets like electricity, car, radio, TV, etc, and live like a primitive tribe with their own dear customs and belief system.Their plight is also like any tribals in India or Africa. I can site so many such examples. In short education, sophistication, modern values and democracy are the keys to progress and development neither Sanskrit nor Brahminism as some Rip Wan Winkles think. So the privileged classes in India have the moral responsibility and historical obligation as they were the party responsible for denying vital education to them.So we have to impart opportunity for the deprived sections of Indian society by positive discrimination and not further insult and injure the majority indigenous population by denying their basic human rights the proportionate representation reservation to correct the century old Brahmin reservation as upheld by Manusmriti favoring Brahmins and upper castes. CAN ANY BODY AMONG THE TRADITIONALIST Brahmins brothers EXPLAIN? 1How can you explain the so called Brahmin poverty given tremendous opportunity and culture,clout etc.It is only less intelligence among them in a lesser stimulating environment.So idiocy can affect any body if environment is poor. 2 Brahmin monopolies in everything resulted after religious reservation in their favor for centuries. 3 Ethnically Brahmins are not superior to other castes or Dravidians.The British conquered the Brahmins and ruled India more than 200 years because they had superior system and intelligence. Moreover Brahminism prevented others to fight for the motherland except the Kshthriyas 4 Dravidian states like Keralam,Tamil Nadu,Mysore,Andhra are superior in development,less corruption,riots,law and order,literacy,state of females,longevity,quality of life, peaceful elections,more number of cars telephones,fridges,less disparity between haves and have nots%u2026than the filthy underdeveloped Aryavartha,the devastated by foreign Arya Brahmin attack and cultural domination.Hindu fascist organizations are only interested in maintaining their dear caste system by persecuting the Avarnas.They did not raise even their little finger against the foreign rulers.They attacked Muslims branded them as enemies to prevent unity between Avarnas and Muslims so that they can continue their centuries old monopoly. 5 India became a beggar nation after thousands of years Arya Brahmin domination subjected to maximum period of foreign invasions including 200 years of British Domination. 6 85% of Indians did not have any freedom or opportunity to grow and express themselves under the clutches of the fascist Hinduism and Brahminism. 7 Dr Ambedkar and Sri Buddha were the greatest intellectuals India has ever produced. Both were not Brahmins
Correct the Misdeeds of the Past by Purohit Sharma on May 01, 2007 06:18 PM | Hide replies
Historical correction for our unpardonable accumulated sin! Sir, As a Brahmin I feel crying for poverty from our part and further reservation on that gimmick upon the already enjoying monopoly is a very grave sin against the OBCs who are downtrodden for so many centuries. Our forefathers came from northern part of Caspian Sea and monopolized everything in India. We Aryans made a Ramarajyam were none other than Brahmins can live with dignity and peace. Our Judicial Brahmins should not play Savarna Politics and adhere to justice and Indian Constitution which upholds social justice. In the preamble it starts with the word %u201CSocial Justice%u201D and the custodians of law is destroying it by dancing to the tunes of the so called youth for quality- the Complan Boys. Caste Reservation is for Positive Discrimination for historical reasons. We know the most that the Hinduism is a religion for reservation were all good things money, women, land, power, knowledge, wealth were all monopoly of Brahmins. Other Kshathriyas and others were living on the left over loaves of Brahmins. This stratified hierarchy destroyed India. Became very poor. Largest number of illiterates, illnesses, Aids and so on. If we give opportunity they will be better than us in all fields, culture education administration etc. Then India will definitely become the most progressive, prosperous, and strong nation. Since we have cornered everything and monopolized it is totally immoral to continue the same as it is very inhuman. They are totally powerless and unorganized and we should be magnanimous to take initiative and offer unconditional help and reservation, the basic human rights to them. Then only we can continue to get the traditional respect we are enjoying. Otherwise a day will definitely come when the vast majority may rise up in arms against us and we are only just two percent of the population! That eventuality is a terrible situation indeed. We lag behind in sports because our Brahmin Boys eat potatoes and ghee become pot bellied, unable to compete with people from China, Korea etc. People denied education and other basic necessities of life declined rapidly in the ladder of progress constituting the OBC,Dalits,Muslims,Adivasies. It is our moral responsibility since we have already plundered this beautiful land and made it a hell. So we Brahmins should take the leadership in rousing public opinion for Caste Reservation for those people oppressed for centuries by us, the historical correction for our unpardonable accumulated sin! Now the Supreme Court discarded law,constitution, morality ,and human values by denying the basic human rights to OBC.They are upholding Manuvad.
brahmins are not the only people who mistreated the others. But they are the center-stage in history and now also. go villages and see.
I also agree that they saved many old epics and vedas. But try to get the remaing things also. they destroyed many vedas/old epics which contains lot of knowledge and wisdom just make sure that they will never reach to other castes .(Its true and happened in many parts of india). after they claimed they done so that that these epics should not be go to odd hands/ill minded kings . but the real intentions are different. u know many years aadi sankaracharya has not been accepted by brahmins--- just for the reason he is extending the knowledge to commom man??.
What ever I had written is
1) To make the people understand the "OTHER" side of the coin - that even with extrordinary knowledge and wisdom how a community like Brahmins now in odd stage, because of the some mistakes (Even ravana has many good qualities, but punished for his bad quality). And i am not saying that other communities had not done any mistakes. But if u see our culture from ancient days - Brahmin is the center point - for education, administartion etc. Eventhough they have enjoyed such a fabulous positions, they done very little to the society. Why they are now reduced to this position??. Just because of their own mistakes - turning to materialism, adopting the lifestyles and habbits of other people (not all but many in number, ican say). I had a brahmin friend, their uncle is a very knowledgeable and he knows astrlogy and palmhistory as well. but whenever he goes to other places or relatives/friends places to fix marriage dates etc , he will not take a single rupee. He told me when i asked, once u r material may be money/wealth/ladies/bad habbits etc oriented u cant practice spirituality to full extent. Healso told that our people are now degraded because of their own faults - prefering material benefits/ no interest on spiritual knowledge/ being opportunistic etc. Once a Brahmin turns into a materialistic - how he can teach good for others, how he can be an ideal person, how he drive the people towards spirituality/ how he can still hold the respect??. He only told that as the other castes are kept in dark for centuries its affecting everybody today in india oneway or other. He is more interested in public service (not jobs), but he cant do because of the fear that he will be thrown out of the community/relatives. And also please dont be mis-understood, I donthave any specific hatredness towards Brahmins, as i have brahmin friends both having some good and bad qualities)
2) I am from FC, not SC/ST/OBC. But when I see deeply into their lifestyles of low caste, Its not only the financial aspect. But they are socially also suppressed. Thats why now they are so much of angry on FCs. Even I did not got any seat in govt colleges. I too deeply felt many times that reservation must be on the basis of economic level not on caste basis.
But for last 20/30 years we are facing these problems. But what about the dalits and others. Just tell me onething, whats the price u can pay to them for treating them as untouchables/distancing them from education etc done by our ancestors??. In past we have good social and financial positions. u people enjoyed it, but at the cost/effort/blood and sweat of the low caste people. Then no body of u have any complaints. now u feel the heat, u started crying. If u corrected at ealier days, I am sure that u might not be in this odd situation today. Thats why I had given the CHILD example. Can you do that??. Dont see the situation in cities. Go rural ares and assess the truth in the matter i written.
3) see the below link
http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/may/23franc.htm
Why a particular caste "working Sulabh Shauchalayas" is considering as something odd. why not they felt it if it is done by low caste people (they are doing it for centuries, but none of us has shown pity - instead we treated them badly). u people aspecially are averse to do any physical work. u wont cultivate, but u treat the farmer as untouchable, and u require is food. u dont care his blood/sweat he invested under sun/in rain to get the crop.
Now tell me is there any thing wrong an youngman who is child of such low catse people will have right impression on high caste people - who has tortured them for centuries?? (even though u r superior in knowledge). common man its a pity situation. u are knowledgable, but nobody is respecying u. u wont get respect by power or force or positions (because of these only u got respect in earlier days). even though u gets that is not true. A person will be respected,even if he is low in knowledge, when he is useful/adoptable and close the people and respect the people and make their lifes better. isn't it true??.
4) whenever some scientists in west, found/invented new things----our people says its already written in our vedas,epics etc. What brahmins have done for centuries by having such hugh tressure of knowledge. they distanced other castes from education, is it benefited them or the nation??.
5) I am not complaining that all brahmins are bad or cunning. But at the same time what they had done very good to the mankind, have the very unpardonable mistakes also. Having knowledge is good thing. but if its not usefull, whats the use. u have all knowledge which is not utilised for any others, then whats the use of having knowledge??. Hiding knowledge is sin. Making people live in dark is sin. Misleading others from education is sin. These are not crimes but sins, which will carry forwards to the generations. killing a person appears to be the great crime, more than that many soft-crimes/sins are there which will not appear as hard as killing. try to get ny point. I am not blaming, but asking u to get better insight in to the real matter.
Dear Brahmins you people are intelligent,wise and knowledge is your friend. But how?. Could you please answer the following questiions,wisely, with open heart....
Whats the reason (say one of the reason) for todays problem of illiteracy among the lower castes and the non-brahmin castes??.
Who had restricted shastras, puranas and vedas from common man???
Who are untouchables??
Who made lower caste people to accept christianity in the british-rule??
From the olden days education is reserved for brahmins only. Some of the kshatriyas also go for Gurukuls, but thats not given as core imporatnce. All vaisya's will learn business techniques from their family and by experience over a period of time. shudras not at all considered for education. Thats how its(Education) been treated in our culture(again this also initiated and nurtured by brahmins only--- untouchability and sathisahagamana are all started by them only).
See the occupants of prime minister and other powerfull posts(both in public and private sectors)in India --- most of them are brahmins. Why agriculture is not given importance (because its not related to brahmins- they only eat, dont cultivate. They need Ghee and milk but they dont do any animal care, they like to have higher posts-that why they hate reservations---I am not supporter or agitator for reservations, they like to have higher respect in society---in return they do little for the society)
Dear Brahmin youngster please try to understand how you are getting goog marks and ranks. Its all because your parents stresses on the education and knowledge from childhood. Did you ever went for farming or to facory to work like labour force or do anything that requires physical strength?? and your father and ancestors are so educated. Thats why you are now in good position to understand and learn things quickly. But did you ever think of what you and your brahmin community done to other castes??. Just to have respectable position in the society you restricted education to your community and made the other castes disatant from it that too for centuries.
Who had restricted shastras, puranas and vedas from common man???
again its you, the brahmins. You made shastras, puranas and vedas are only for brahmins. By doing this you thrown other castes in to the dark and you made them lie in the dark for centuries.
And now when you are not getting a seat or position, because of reservations, your are crying like anything. Then who will pay for the damage done by you and your brahmin community to the other castes and poor for the centuries???. ( I also prefer reservation based on economic situation of the candidate, But the people who are agitating that especially brahmin community are of having ill intentions while contending the reservation issues -- their main motive is that they are not getting seats or positions)
Tell me onething, suppose you are blessed with a child (say child1) and also a Low Caste or other caste guy also got child(say child2).If you exchange the children and the child2 is treated as your own son and raised with the same care and given the education and knowledge you possessed, cant child2 will not become a knowledgeble and wise??. I agree that genetic features will also play a dominant role. But the envirinment will take over that too.
How can you people treats yourself as higher morale one???. Did you have informed before birth itself that you are going to born as brahmin??.. or You people are giving bribes to Lord Brahma to have a birth in bramin community??.
Who are untouchables??
The real untouchables are brahmins only, because of their ill-minds. And in the front/public they will act/speak like "everybody is equal" and so many good words. But as soon as he go home, he will pollute the brains of his children saying like we are the only great, we should not be touched by lower caste people and so on. They dont like to have any "OTHERS" for their marriages etc. Because they they treat "OTHER" castes as bad. By doing this actually they themselves as "UNTOUCHABLES" , what a pity.
Who made lower caste people to accept christianity in the british-rule??
Its again these bloody fellows. No wonder. Dont get surprised. its the truth. the ground reality.
Brahmins introduced untouchability, which still exist in some parts of india, which done enough damage to the low xaste people. Brahmins made them as servants. They are distanced from education by brahmins only.
And the most imporatnt thing.They did not allowed the lower caste people to the temples to worship god. They had to stand outside temple and pray god.The priest will throw some dry coconuts etc to them, because they are untouchables. That means our gods are not for poor or low caste people. It has created an impression that Low caste people are born to serve the high caste people and brahmins.
Just understand whats the state of mind of Low caste/needy person at that time. Somebody is offering education to them, treating them as humans (where they used to be treated like service-animal in our society), somebody is offering good food, helping to have better health----------- then automatically they are turned to christanity. Whats wrong in that. But that too opposed by brahmins. Because,they feared,their priests will lose importance. The hold on the society they are having will be reduced. Even today just see the people who opposes christanity/muslims... most will be brahmins. They oppose conversion to other relligion, because it will result to lose of their control on people in the name of god.
The society also unnecessarily gives respect to them. Because its been built in our society for the long. May be few among the brahmins are respectables, but most of them are ill minded.
But guys understand that whatever the bad they had done, they will be praised. Because they know how to get the people attention, how to get respected (they practised this skill for centuries) even though they are bad. They will YES which is actually a big NO. They are Foxes, always do some tricks and get benefited.
Dear Brahmin, dont feel that you will not get punished. A bad day will come to you where you will be treated as a Low Caste crook. In the days of NO MERCY you and your community will get utmost punishment.
Did the movie include the following items too? - - [***IMP***] EVR's comment on Tamil as a "language of barbarians" haunted him later in life. He was a strong proponent of embracing English as the global language and dropping Tamil from academics. To this day, his followers choose to ignore discussions on this topic.
- [***IMP***] He declared Indian independence as a day of slavery and declared it as a day of mourning. He fought for the separation of Tamil areas of India and Sri Lanka and for the human rights of the oppressed Tamil diaspora. He backed colonial rule and attempted to forge an alliance with both Ambedkar and Jinnah.
- [***IMP***] Early in his political life, EVR had derided Tirukkural and an anachronism and a tool for Aryan aggrandisement. At a later point, he embraced it as the true guide and insisted it was a common guide for all religions. When prominent Muslims spoke out and commented that a man-made work, Tirukkural can never equal God-given verses (Qur'an), EVR and his rationalist thought observed silence.
- Periyar created an anti-Brahmin movement in India. Tamil Brahmins (Iyers and Iyengars) were frequently held responsible by followers of Periyar for direct or indirect oppression of lower-caste people on the canard of "Brahmin oppression" and resulted in innumerable hate attacks on Brahmins and which amoung other reasons started a wave of forced mass-migration of the Brahmin population.[14]. Periyar is alleged to have called for "Brahmin killing"s and burning down Brahmin homes. Later, in regards to a DK member's attempt to assassinate Rajagopalachari, he "expressed his abhorrence of violence as a means of settling political differences".[15]The canard of "Brahmin oppression" rationalized conspiracy theories and pointed to Brahmins as enemies against whom the radical movements pitted themselves.[14] The legacy of the anti-Brahmanism of the self-respect movement was taken over by the later Dravidan parties. Growing anti-Brahmanism in Chennai provided a rationale for polarization of the lower castes in the DMK movement.[16] Eventually, the virulent anti-Brahmanism subsided somewhat with the replacement of the DMK party by the AIADMK[17]
- EVR's followers have broken temple icons, cut sacred threads and tufts from brahmin priests, and have often portrayed Brahmins in the most derogatory manner in their meetings and magazines (see http://www.viduthalai.com and http://www.unmaionline.com - both in Tamil language).
- Gandhi did not like his views as he wanted to bring in reforms gradually and spoke of inclusion, not exclusion and hate; Periyar bolted away from the freedom movement.
WOW..periyar's life in TN also makes us 'Wow'.. Nice review..When i read all the replies from the users.. i feel we need another periyar to reform this filthy soceity..selfish,brahmanism,male centric..etc., nice job frm rediff.
RE:Nice review from rediff
by greatrr on May 14, 2007 01:55 AM
Kudos.. so you say that brahmanism is all the only filth in the society & periyar was against it alone?? No other irrational thoughts or superstitions exist in other sects of hinduism??? young girl babies were killed for ages in villages - just for the reason that its a girl child - have you ever read periyar doing somethign for this?? There was dowry - did periyar do anything for this?? Why only brahminism is my question??
Hmm...after reading the messages here, it clearly shows how much "Periyar" is required even still in 21st century. Those who are being suffered by Periyarism or scared of even hearing Periyarism are getting self-eco satisfied by saying EVR's ideology is gone. If anybody has the courage to answer any one of the questions he asked? I really welcome it. Also by seeing the words used by some people here (for/against), it indicates, they still have to grow a lot. It shows the ignorance of the people who just only say,"He did not believe in GOD?.Anybody can tell why he did not believe in GOD? Ok which god out of million here.
