I strongly protest any resistance by Gujarat Govt & people to disallow freedom of expression which is a fundamental right.
I also protest the attitude of most of the Muslims in most of the forums, when they defend Muslims irrespective of the fact they are criminals and terrorists. I fear this attitude is not right for India
RE:It should allow
by Hemant Kansara on Dec 23, 2007 10:06 AM
I do agree about right of "Freedom of Expression" & Freedom of expression is a fundamental right. An individual person e.g. Aamirkhan must have but people who protest also have the same & they used it as like Aamir & because quantam of persons was more it was respected. To take care of single person's right a huge group should not be put a side.
I am not a Gujrati, but as far as my two cents are concerned, i think the choice is of Gujratis , whether they want to see the movie or not... Gujratis have shown true unity in past time (i m not implying that they united for good or bad cause)... The screening is stopped by the Cinema Hall owners...They have said that they dont care what others say, but they are not going to screen the movie...
As far as this movie is concerned, these days the so called "Art" or "formulatic"/"Off beat" movies are more commercial than ever. They raise more eyebrows than the regular Masala movies, and hence the pockets of film-makers get full rather quickly...The Gujarat story has juice in it, so they will milk that.. In bihar, Jharkhand everyday Naxalites kill about 20-30 ppl at minimum, but who wants to see a movie about Bihati Naxalites. They would sound more like Gabbar Singh, so forget about them... Recently in West Bengal too much violence took place...But making movie about Bengalis...naaaaah.... Muslims killed in a riot in Gujarat, well this story can give quick money, so lets get on with that... ....Its Sickening...
And lastly, for all those smart alecs who have been saying the movie is about truth and Godhra was a conspiracy, I would advice them to explain that to the families of those who were burnt in the train... Even if Muslims say that it was pre-planned, i can understand, coz they have got to defend their community, but these so-called intelligentsia of India is taking us down by saying such stuffs, just to show they are really mature... For them it is just an incident where they have to give their wise opinions about a pseudo perfect society. Just a thought though... just imagine your close ones, your family members, God forbid, were in that same train and were suffocated, burnt, and died....Now if you have really imagined what i said, can you give your true opinion? (I guess not)...
Rekindling Godhra to rescue Parzania (the movie not the child) Rejoinder to the article published on 3rd of February in Hindustan Times
The media is at it again, one of the favorite themes of our times, Hindu bashing, although you have to give credit to English Media as the art of Hindu bashing has been perfected by them to the point that it can be used as a full fledged vilification campaign as and when required. There was a recent article in Hindustan Times which starts by saying that Hindu men molested a Muslim girl at the Godhra station and that was what led the Muslim men to attack and burn alive Hindu pilgrims %u2026oops, did I say pilgrims, tch tch.. I should%u2019nt call them pilgrims, after all the effort made by the Sonia Gandhi government at the centre to drill the fact that those Hindu women and children were not pilgrims rather they were terrorists going back home after a mass murder session, the credit again goes to the ever vigilant media who raised a very important question %u2013 How would you prove that the women and children who were burnt alive were terrorists and not pilgrims. It was this question that forced the government to do some brainstorming and finally choose to take the middle path and call them Kar Sevaks. After all you wouldn%u2019t call a Muslim child who says %u201CI love Allah%u201D %u2013 a terrorist or a Christian woman who visits a church a terrorist, would you!
Coming back to the article %u2013 the media seems to have decided that they will go with the flow at the moment or perhaps they came under pressure again and this time again it is a combination of lots of paper (currency) and political power, although the lack of any morals or conscience does make it easy for the English media to take partisan stands on such issues. The media goes on to conclude that the molestation bid was never disputed by any party, now that is a revelation because all along the point that was being made was that the pilgrims (oops sorry ) terrorists who were returning home had primarily left home for a mass murder session in Ayodhya, it is now that the media has said that that was only a secondary objective, the primary motive was that the pilgrims wanted to have fun while on the way back and they had chosen a particular station, now which one was it, yes the Godhra station. Which is why when a man got down and molested a girl in the wee hours of the morning the Muslim men had a tough choice to make, they could either kill the man as normally they prefer, however for a change they decided to let him finish his tea and in the meantime decided that they will burn 58 women and children instead. So the next time a Hindu man goes to Paharganj to meet a Muslim friend of his, the Muslim men might just attack Hindu women who might just happen to be shopping in Janakpuri at that point in time and the rest can be attributed to circumstantial evidence which was never found, the point being that why would a mob of people burn the train if one of the men misbehaved with a woman.
Now for those who don%u2019t get rashes when they read the truth. It needs to be added that for obvious reasons the English media has completely over looked the fact that the arsonists and murderers of the innocent Hindu pilgrims (popularly called Muslim tea vendors or better still secular tea vendors for sake of clarity) were not able to digest the fact that Hindu women returning after visiting %u2018Ram Lalla%u2019 (as he is fondly addressed by devotees) were beaming with pride and some of them even had that serene look on their face the kind the Christian women have on their face after they are done with their morning prayers or Jews coming out of a synagogue. But no sooner did this become evident, then the Muslim men ordered a larger than normal glass of wine or was it petrol and the rest is history. The media and the government at the centre were livid on the other hand that why did the Gujrati men try to protect the women and why did they fight back, even today the journalists and editor and some officials of the government wake up dreaming that only if muslims had succeeded, by now Gujrat would have become Kashmir part 2. the secular government at the centre is at pains to explain to its muslim electorate that they had done their job by not moving a finger when muslim men attacked hindu pilgrims thus paving the way for a smooth transition of Gujrat on the lines of Kashmir, and they had no idea in hell how the hindu men suddenly were able to invoke their long lost right to live on this planet, suddenly years of propaganda in educating hindus that muslims have a right to kidnap, rape and burn hindu women became ineffective and came to naught
The big question is why is all this coming up now%u2026 after so many years%u2026 the first thing is that one section of the government believes correctly that they have already alienated hindus so it does not matter if we alienate them more by indulging in cheap propaganda after all the government is absolutely confident about the stupidity of the hindu electorate and so they can do anything and get away with it. But is it the other section in the government and media that believes that they can remind hindus that the government is better at propaganda and so if parzania is not allowed to be screened in gujrat then they will run another vilification campaign. And you don%u2019t have to look very far to confirm that, pick up a copy of Hindustan time dated 3-feb 2007 and on the same page where this article appears, there is another article about the Gujrat film traders joining hands to block the movie because the attempt to convert Gujrat in to another Kashmir by Muslims a few years back still touches a raw nerve among Hindus and since the media has consistently failed to dilute the faith that people of Gujrat have in themselves indulging in such cheap exercises might be counter productive.
Gujrat and it%u2019s people have not been allowed any space where they can counter such shameless propaganda yet if the English media and the government at the centre continue to attack people for the simple reason that they had the guts to stand up for themselves when nobody did then this could turn counter productive. It is amply clear that India as a nation refuses to even acknowledge what the people of Gujrat have endured and continues to propound on politically correct lies. In the form of the animosities that the English media and the congress feel towards Hindus in general and Gujratis in particular.
RE:godhra and after, parzania and why it is blocked
by Hemant Kansara on Dec 23, 2007 10:20 AM
Can one believe, a muslim girl was molested & because of that a huge group gatherred within few minutes with all the required tools to burn the rail coaches & did it within an hour OR so. Man, any body who applies logic can understand that it was preplanned & the story of girl was release afterwards.
The gujarat events are still too recent and I think even the gujaratis feel guilty about that. However it takes time for them to accept it has happened and that wrongs were done.
In germany its only now ,more than 60 years after Hitler that acceptance has come to the point that they can see films on him.
It seems that many of the comments here come from general dislike towards a religion or a caste. The way of perception has to be changed. It is not that all Brahmins are worst nor the whole Islamic religion has the same colour as it is painted to be. We need to fight against fanaticism. These fanatics, may be from terrorist organisations or from RSS group, need to be tackled instead of making it a fight against Islam or Brahmins. The fanatics from both the groups are dangerous for humanity. Both the groups are indulging in brainwashing the youth and hence spreading the hatred. Both these groups have done little for the good of society. Their whole existence is based on fueling anger against others, spreading malicious & false information about eachothers. Both these groups are taking the civilisation towards barbarism. So the common man should understand their agendas and fight against these organisations and bring them to their senses. May be it is Jaish E Mohammad, Lashkar E Toiba or RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal.
Parzania is only a small issue. The bigger issue is what these organisations like RSS, VHP & Bajrang Dal are indulging into. For what purpose these organisations created. To continue the superiority of 3% Bhats ?
1) Create hatred against the other religions.
2) Kill Mahatma Gandhi and then start maligning him by false & malicious propoganda.
3) Glorify the extremist & terrorist Nathuram Godse, thus brainwashing other youths to adopt such acts of killing if someone else' views are different from their own.
4) Make the BC's & OBC's live the life of garbage without education, without entry to public places for centuries. They did not tolerate the presence of BC's & OBC's anywhere in public places for centuries. Now, they do not tolerate their presence in educational institutes & at offices. Please visit any site on reservations to find out the true colour of these people.
5) Keep the superiority of Brahmins in the society by dividing the other 95% people in the name of religion.
6) Massacre thousands of innocent muslims in Gujarat which is a greatest blot on hinduism and after that defend their act.
7) Indulge & provoke people to demolish a 400 year mosque.
8) Provoke people to burn alive a missionary Graham Staines and rape many other nuns.
What good these organisations are doing for the society and the country ? Are they not doing harm to this Nation more than what terrorist would have done ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:The real Issue
by Parveez Arif on Mar 02, 2007 02:24 AM
Hi rajendra, There is no such words in Koran, to demolish any temple, neither kill any person, it talks about humanity, peace and kind, there were many saints in Islam who has taken care of other religion people, I think people have taken wrong meanings from Korans, The truth is %u201CIt was the British people got in to Islam bribed few people and created a mess in name of Islam; they divided Muslims in to two called whabis, they are ones who later got against them, They should have understood before doing any thing,
I have never come across Muslims talking bad about Jesus, neither about bible, nor on book of Ramayan, I have always come across other%u2019s burning Korans, taking bad about prophet and etc. we still have tolerance,
%u201CIt will be great if Muslim community understand the meaning of Divide and rule and come out of all these%u201D
I have many Hindu friends and very close to me, we never felt the difference between us, we have become more closer after seeing all these nonsense
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:The real Issue
by shawaji bhosale on Feb 18, 2007 08:20 PM
No arguements further but here is something i wsih you could have read. Ofcourse you will accuse lawer Niteen Pradhan too I am sure of that. No big Deal. Because yur perception is fact for you than anybodys actual experience. If at all you have time to waste please read these interviews. And yes wish you all luck and success in your war against Brahmins.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:The real Issue
by Jas Sand on Mar 02, 2007 11:27 AM
Amol,
Going by your own words, the debate is about a movie ... but then it was you who typed all the irrelevant material ....
When Hindus remained peaceful they were always at the receiving end - when they realized that the Govts never do anything for them, they started taking the law into their hands and started reacting ...
How else do you respond to terrorist attacks -- as somebody pointed out before, no terrorist attack is possible without local support and Hindu extremists are hitting the innocent looking local bases of the terrorists. Please note that Gujarat Riots happened after Godhra, not otherwise
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:The real Issue
by shawaji bhosale on Feb 18, 2007 07:55 PM
Sorry i wrote all my own experiience and wasted your valuable time. Good luck Amol.
RE:RE:The real Issue
by Rizwan Khan on Mar 09, 2007 01:12 PM
America ansd Israil are afraid of Indians . the propoganda to malaign Islam is to deter Indians from leading the world . they want us to fight ourselves , they want Asian countries to be involved into issues which hamper our progress.
As simple as this but some people do not understand . Country can grow when everyone grows . Make an atmosphere where every Indian gets a fairer chance to perform. this is the need of time in the era of economic globalisation,. or wait for western economic and cultural invasion. it is visible too. Ask any student birth date of Ravindra Nath tagore and birth date of st valentine. which answer will u get.
RE:The real Issue
by Jason on Feb 16, 2007 02:25 AM
My MESSAGE TO U ALL PRO ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALS IS .....LOOK AT THE WORLD LOOK AT IT CLEARLY WHEREVER ISLAM IS there is WAR or CIVIL WAR or RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE...EXAMPLE India (terror attacks), Russia (terror attacks), Britain (terror attacks), USA (terror attacks), SPain ( Terror attacks). Nigeria (civil war caused by Muslims). Germany (Islamic sleeper Cells)..Somalia (war). Israel (terror attacks)... LIST JUST GOES on....ANY Mathematician will tell you there is a CLEAR pattern... OH MY ADVICE to u all is READ "The God Delusion " and watch a documentary made by Richard Dawkins.... i am not worried about Muslims...because USA and ISRAEL will take care of that problem what i am worried about is that our EDUCATED system is becoming so radicalized less an less people believe in SCIENCE and Evolution...this is all because of Islam....
RE:RE:The real Issue
by mandar on Feb 18, 2007 02:07 PM
Do not keep on jumping to conclusions without understanding the real issue. From your name you seem to be Christian. With the kind of brainwashing RSS is going ahead with, you also will have to face the music very soon. So what America & Israel is doing for Islam, the same theory will be applied to you by these fanatics here. So please start counting your days instead of writing such nonsense crap
RE:RE:The real Issue
by Jason on Feb 16, 2007 02:27 AM
TELL ME one CONTINENT in this wold where there is no war or civil war or religious violence or or sleeper cells DUE TO ISLMA
Simple solution. Those who want to see the movie can do so simply by renting a DVD/VCD of the movie. India happens to be a democratic country with freedom of expression. Moreover, the Censor Board has cleared the movie. My experience says that Parzania is a great movie, and the Gujrat govt. does not want people to see the truth by imposing an unofficial ban on it. The pigeon is free to shut its eyes and think that the cat doesn`t exist, but the cat is very much there to harm it!!
All the people who are reading this: Go watch Parzania for the truth it portrays and shows how ordinary men suffer in the hands of politicians, who want to divide & rule!!
