Does it really matter whether one is a God, man or a mere human being? I am no devotee of Sathya Sai Baba. Given my academics, I am unable to comprehend those magical or divine powers that are ascribed to him. There are several critics of the godman. I have never been able to engage with them. I have not been to his ashram or his establishments. Yet I hold the person with deep respect though I may not regard him as an avatar or a divine being.
In my perception the quality of any person is to be judged not from the divine claims a person makes but the life he leads in relationship to others. A divine person if he makes claims to be divine should be able to express that divinity through his humanity. The ultimate quality of any human being making a claim to be divine should be to translate that divinity into human living by his concern to the poor, compassion to the suffering and sensitivity to those in anguish. Caring for other human beings is an essential part of living a divine life. Nobody can deny the fact that Sathya Sai Baba has touched the lives of the poor and the deprived.
He had pioneered many social service activities beginning with a general hospital at Puttaparthi with 220 beds and a 333-bedded hospital at Whitefield, both superspecialty hospitals. The fact that the poor get free services surely is a tribute to Sathya Sai Baba. If that hospital was non-existent there would have been so many lives of the poor lost. One of the dreams of the framers of the constitu
Re: Assets against Social Work
by Prashanth Talla on May 10, 2011 11:11 PM
All the money now is with the trust and it is revealed that 40000 crores are with it as of now. The figure could be right or wrong, only investigation can prove it. After SSB's death, obviously trust members/politicians must be eyeing this money.
Assuming 40000 crores is the money the trust has as of now, definitely whatever is spent for the social cause is comparable. Also, point to note is that there wud be maintenance costs year long for all that is already built and being supported by trust's money. 40000 crores are not sitting idle in the trust's account.
Re: Re: Assets against Social Work
by sanil serial on May 10, 2011 11:15 PM
Point is how much was spent on social causes ? The figure and ratio is important, not the principle of spending.
Re: Re: Re: Assets against Social Work
by Prashanth Talla on May 10, 2011 11:46 PM
Who will tell us? Would you investigate that or make our govt to do that? If you or I or anyone else on this forum can't do anything about it, we can only decide basing on the facts revealed by the trust, media or any other sources. Basing on the media and the trust revelations, trust has 40000 crores. Now estimate how much you need to spend in building the colleges, universities, multi-speciality hospitals, water canels, research institutes etc and then decide what on the figures you are expecting.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Assets against Social Work
by Prashanth Talla on May 10, 2011 11:47 PM
Don't forget about continuous maintenance of all the facilities and the salaries/fees to the individuals being paid...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Assets against Social Work
by Prashanth Talla on May 10, 2011 11:50 PM
BTW, Tirumala/Tirupathi is the second largest income generating place in the world via donations. Do compare what govt has been doing using balaji's money and what SSB has done until now. Give a thought about the money difference.
Re: Ass''satya sai
by Prashanth Talla on May 10, 2011 11:04 PM
I never heard such a caustic comment for whtever he did. If you have used such comments for any of our corrupt politicians like Pawar, Karuna Nidhi, Sonia, Lalu, Mayawati, YSR etc, I wouldn't have responded. I'm really clueless about what kind of thinking ppl has.
Re: Re: Ass''satya sai
by sheetal sharma on May 10, 2011 11:23 PM
DEAR FRIEND, BEFORE PASSING ON SUCH A REMARK, HAVE YOU EVER MADE ANY RESEARCH ABOUT HIM OR ASKED YOUR PARENTS OR SOME SENIORS? SURELY NO PIOUS PEOPLE WILL HONOUR A PERSON LIKE YOU MAKING SUCH NASTY STATEMENT. HAVE YOU MADE ANY KIND OF CHARITY SO FAR ?
Re: Ass''satya sai
by vasudev chari on May 14, 2011 06:21 PM
You have shown your ignorance. Its OK.ut take care of your future life, which I expect will be terrible.
Re: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
by kadvi mirchi on May 10, 2011 05:36 PM
Narkasur!!! You must be Goan. They burn effigy in Diwali
Re: .
by sheetal sharma on May 10, 2011 11:25 PM
DEAR REDIFFMAIL, PL STOP FOR HEAVEN"S SAKE DEBATE ON SRI SATHYA SAI BABA. YOU WILL INCUR ALL THE SINGS FOR HAVING ENTERTAINED UNWANTED PEOPLE TALKING NASTY THINGS ABOUT A PIOUS PERSON EVEN AFTER HE DEPARTS!
To all those who criticize Satya Sai Baba. Please RATIONALLY think of all these points below. a) He built hospitals where millions of operations are have been performed FREE of cost by EXPERT doctors. What have you done? b) He built educational institutions where thousands of students have benefitted. What have you done? c) He brought water to millions of people in Rayalseema district. What have you done? d) He built Seva Dals that server millions of poor and needy every day. What have you done? e) He has created a society (his followers) that lives with social values and ethics and adhere to the law of the land (You will have to be with them to understand what I say). What have you done? f) He did not spread the ‘ONLY WAY” absurdities (the way other religions do), neither did he convert people to any other religion. You guys say he spend only 1-2% of his wealth for service. Are you his chartered accountant to give so precise a figure? How did you get your numbers? You say he lived a lavish life style … that is not true. He lived in a very simple room in all his ashrams, he ate very less food, he wore ordinary clothes. That pretty much sums up his life style. Yes, he travelled in big cars and airplanes. But if he has to travel from one place to another within a short time, how else do you expect him to do that.. a bullock cart? If you say he has a lot of money, yes, he does have a lot money. You need money to do anything. Without mone
Re: PLEASE THINK
by Ganesh Iyer on May 10, 2011 04:13 PM
Sri Girdhar Gopal is largely right. I would like to add a few points too. The cars baba traveled in were and are not his. These belong to some well to do devotees. The fact that there
were different cars at different times, proves this. A couple of cars may also belong to the Trust and were/are
maintained at different places like 'Parthi/Whitefield/Kodai/Hyd etc. based on exigencies only.
As for the travel in airplanes, here again, the fare was borne by devotees who had invited him.
Baba never had any bank account in his name. Neither did he "own" anything. Only the trust maintains the
accounts. Funds in the accounts of the trust represent contributions of devotees/donors only and solely goes
towards financing the various welfare schemes.
Baba will be surely missed in his physical form. There is a saying -- "All good things come to an end..!"
Re: Re: PLEASE THINK
by mohammed ulhaq on May 10, 2011 06:30 PM
Mr.Iyer, very sorry to know that your God has an end. Wake up dude, understand the difference between Good man and God man. If you think your Baba was better than your Father who gave his entire life for your upbringing then he should be considered as God man, still he cannot be God.
Re: Re: Re: PLEASE THINK
by Raj kumar on May 10, 2011 10:57 PM
Dear Mohammed I respect u and ur religion and expect being an educated person u will think before u write hurtful things for others.
Re: PLEASE THINK
by Narakasur on May 10, 2011 05:06 PM
The question is not whether is he did or not. The question is whether he is aGod-man of not. It is irrefutable fact that in his initial days he used second rate magic to trick people into thinking he is some avatar. This is far from true. He fooled people. He is nothing but a thief who did some good work with all the money that he stole.
Re: Re: PLEASE THINK
by kadvi mirchi on May 10, 2011 05:12 PM
@Giridhar Gopal He has 40000 Crores of money. How much did he spend for poor? 100 crore? What he did with remainder? Had fun?
Re: Re: PLEASE THINK
by sheetal sharma on May 10, 2011 10:32 PM
IF YOU WILL BE ALIVE ANOTHER 30 YEARS AND HAVE FIRM FAITH IN GOD, YOU WILL SEE HIS PREMA SAI AVATAR IN KARNATAKA. BUT IT IS ALL DEPENDS UPON YOUR FATE AND KARMA...ASK YOUR PARENTS WHEHTER THEY BELIEVE IN GOD
Re: Re: PLEASE THINK
by sheetal sharma on May 10, 2011 10:34 PM
YOU HAVE A BEFITTING NAME 'NARAKASUR' THEN NO QUESTION OF YOUR BELIEVING IN GOD. ALL ASURAS ARE MEANT FOR KILLING BY GODS
Re: PLEASE THINK
by kadvi mirchi on May 10, 2011 05:12 PM
He has 40000 Crores of money. How much did he spend for poor? 100 crore? What he did with remainder? Had fun?
Re: Re: PLEASE THINK
by Narakasur on May 10, 2011 05:16 PM
All his good deeds like hospital and water project started only in the 90s. WHat was he doing till then with all the money he had been making. The fact is that in 90s lots of Swamisn were getting caught like Chandraswami, Osho.. and they were losing their hold over the society. SSB was smart enough to understand that he needs to diversify into good deeds to survive longer in public eye. He did that and thus his success.
Re: Re: Re: PLEASE THINK
by Prashanth Talla on May 10, 2011 10:26 PM
For whtever reason, he did some good...everyones agrees on that point I believe. That is enuf to atleast appreciate him. He may not be a God or GodMan but seems to have some good to the soceity. To maintain the hospitals, colleges, research institutes, drainage, water facilities etc, it takes money. So after 90's, most of the money is going into these maintenance operations. Still 40000 crores are with the trust. He didn't use it for himself, to entertain himself or gave away to his kith and kin. Yes, probably he bluffed to be GodMan or people made him a GodMan due to his magic tricks...for whatever reason he assumed that status to do some good o the soceity. So what is so wrong in it? If you can really do something good to the people and the region by telling lies that cause no harm to anyone, sure, go for it is my opinion.
Re: Re: Re: PLEASE THINK
by Raj kumar on May 10, 2011 10:34 PM
Sri Sathya Sai despite repeated evidences of being a reincarnation of Shirdi Sai is being denigrated bysome sections of commercial stakeholder of Shirdi establishment (Fearing if they admit the truth all sai devotees shall flock to Puttaparthi hurting their business interest.)The ultimate truth is bound to surface one day.
Re: PLEASE THINK
by mohammed ulhaq on May 10, 2011 06:31 PM
Mr.Giridhar, very sorry to know that your God has an end. Wake up dude, understand the difference between Good man and God man. If you think your Baba was better than your Father who gave his entire life for your upbringing then he should be considered as God man, still he cannot be God.
Re: PLEASE THINK
by sanil serial on May 10, 2011 11:04 PM
What is the ratio of his assets against the spendings for social work? That figure will reveal the truth. No point in bashing each other.
Existence of god is not proven yet. (So no need to comment about the ‘godman’ status) Peoples used to worship god as sun, moon, wind, tide, river, animals etc.. previously & now humans are in the list. What behind Saibabs success is nothing but the ultimate failure of our democratic governments. His achievements in education, health care, irrigation is the total failure of government to provide basic facilities to its own citizen. He is a good person (but a poor magician) with human heart always done lot of good service to the humanities that nobody can match.
Re: An Aesthetic point of view.
by Narakasur on May 10, 2011 05:18 PM
I dont think he was a good man at heart. He was a smart man who knew when to cheat people and when to help them. All his good deeds like hospital and water project started only in the 90s. WHat was he doing till then with all the money he had been making. The fact is that in 90s lots of Swamisn were getting caught like Chandraswami, Osho.. and they were losing their hold over the society. SSB was smart enough to understand that he needs to diversify into good deeds to survive longer in public eye. He did that and thus his success.
STOP FIGHTING OVER QUESTION OF BABA BEING GOD OR NOT. THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH KEEP BELIEVING. AND THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE ARE REQUESTED TO BE QUIET N DO THERE WORK WITHOUT CRITICIZING ANYONE. AND YES FOR ALL THOSE CRITICIZING ANYONE WHO COMES IN HUMAN FORM HAS TO DIE. SO CHILL NON-BELIEVERS DON'T WASTE TIME.
