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Why Singur was on the boil in 1969


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Prem Selvam
Keep it up
by Prem Selvam on Jun 26, 2011 01:46 PM

joy and debrata thanks for the civilised debate i hope all rediff users will learn from you both to have civilised debates with abuses. Keep it up

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Joy Gupta
What a similarity!
by Joy Gupta on Jun 18, 2011 12:09 PM  | Hide replies



The scenario faced by JK Aluminium and Tata Nano factory are completely different.

The first one was closed down due to aggressive anti-industry agitation by Left-supported trade unions.

The latter was closed down as CPM Govt used cadres to forcefully acquire lands from unwilling farmers in Singur.

In both the cases, the only similarity is CPM, who were responsible.



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sumit mukherjee
Re: What a similarity!
by sumit mukherjee on Jun 20, 2011 01:16 PM
Actually, in both cases the similarity is the complete lack of understanding of reality by the masses.

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Joy Gupta
Re: Re: What a similarity!
by Joy Gupta on Jun 20, 2011 06:37 PM


not by the masses, but by the ruling Govt.



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Debrata Pal
Re: What a similarity!
by Debrata Pal on Jun 18, 2011 02:08 PM
Dont be a kattar Panthi of any political pary .I think your mentality matches with maximum bongalis . Only destructive &blaming others .Thats why West Bengal is not coming up. Be a normal man ,think of society . Wheather you are employed or unemployed I dont know . If you are employed one what your next generation ( your son or daughter ) will do . 1st level leaders they will earn enough in next 5years with which they can run next 50years . First of all remove TMC or any other political thoughts from your mind .Then only you will be able to judge right or wrong . Final result JK Aluminium & TATA Motors both left West Bengal.Who is the looser Ministers or People of Bengal ? If today TATA Motors would have been in Singur Farmers of Singur would be very rich . Location of Singur in World Map would be distinct of having the record of Worlds cheapest Car Manufacturing City .D. Pal.

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Debrata Pal
Re: What a similarity!
by Debrata Pal on Jun 18, 2011 02:09 PM
Dont be a kattar Panthi of any political pary .I think your mentality matches with maximum bongalis . Only destructive &blaming others .Thats why West Bengal is not coming up. Be a normal man ,think of society . Wheather you are employed or unemployed I dont know . If you are employed one what your next generation ( your son or daughter ) will do . 1st level leaders they will earn enough in next 5years with which they can run next 50years . First of all remove TMC or any other political thoughts from your mind .Then only you will be able to judge right or wrong . Final result JK Aluminium & TATA Motors both left West Bengal.Who is the looser Ministers or People of Bengal ? If today TATA Motors would have been in Singur Farmers of Singur would be very rich . Location of Singur in World Map would be distinct of having the record of Worlds cheapest Car Manufacturing City .D. Pal.

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Joy Gupta
Re: Re: What a similarity!
by Joy Gupta on Jun 18, 2011 06:34 PM

Agreed in both cases people of Bengal were the losers. But have you ever analysed why these people failed to recognise the deterioration in their status or condition for 35 long years?

Part of it can be accrued to tolerance, part of it due to inertia and part of it due to oppression by the ruling party.

Today there is no alternative but a polarisation of ideologies especially because the left ideology has failed miserably. Hence we have to bring a political party in every context.

However, if Tata remained in Singur, it cannot be categorically concluded that the farmers of Singur would be rich. You have to understand the mindset of the people who depend solely on agriculture for generations. Their philosophy and sentiments have to be respected if they are significant in number.

The follies in selecting the land cannot be overlooked. Have you ever tried to understand why Tatas particularly required 1000 acres for a single product (Nano) factory? Maruti is making multiple products in 600 acres in two plants in Gurgaon. Even Tatas own Pimpri plant has 800 acres which manufactures Indica, Indigo, MCVs, HCVs, LCVs and SUVs.

The same Tatas have set up shop at Pimpri when it was nothing but a forest area. Jamshedpur was barren land.

So, Mr. Pal, first learn to analyse properly and then dare to call a Bengali as Bongali which shows your inferior and poor understanding and mentality.



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Joy Gupta
Re: Re: What a similarity!
by Joy Gupta on Jun 18, 2011 06:33 PM

Agreed in both cases people of Bengal were the losers. But have you ever analysed why these people failed to recognise the deterioration in their status or condition for 35 long years?

Part of it can be accrued to tolerance, part of it due to inertia and part of it due to oppression by the ruling party.

Today there is no alternative but a polarisation of ideologies especially because the left ideology has failed miserably. Hence we have to bring a political party in every context.

However, if Tata remained in Singur, it cannot be categorically concluded that the farmers of Singur would be rich. You have to understand the mindset of the people who depend solely on agriculture for generations. Their philosophy and sentiments have to be respected if they are significant in number.

The follies in selecting the land cannot be overlooked. Have you ever tried to understand why Tatas particularly required 1000 acres for a single product (Nano) factory? Maruti is making multiple products in 600 acres in two plants in Gurgaon. Even Tatas own Pimpri plant has 800 acres which manufactures Indica, Indigo, MCVs, HCVs, LCVs and SUVs.

The same Tatas have set up shop at Pimpri when it was nothing but a forest area. Jamshedpur was barren land.

So, Mr. Pal, first learn to analyse properly and then dare to call a Bengali as Bongali which shows your inferior and poor understanding and mentality.



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Debrata Pal
Re: Re: Re: What a similarity!
by Debrata Pal on Jun 19, 2011 12:38 PM
Dear Joy,
I the statement you are giving these are all the dialogues of TMC Caders. Your all the examples are 30 to 50 years old . You are talking about Maruti ,TATA (Pimpri ) ,TATA(Jamsedpur) and provided the land area . But all these plants are made minimum 30years back. Those thoughts are obsolete now . Now corporate houses are thinking about backward integration( whatever rawmaterial they purchase from outside they want to produce inhouse ),Integration with all concerned elements(vendors) . All these activities are to reduce component cost & to compete in global senerio . You must analyse in existing situation seeing other states,
may be other part of the world .In automobile demands have grown drastically . 30years back Maruti , TATA Motors all these plants are made .But in todays senerio same examples are not applicable .
Once again I request you to think about society not for TMC or CPIM or Congress . Leaders are always gainer. Ruling party leaders make tie up to make their personal benefit harming the society .
Dont involve yourself that much with any political party rather involve in some social activity .All these bhumu andolon or jami andoloon are in real sense , GADIR LARAI , not the war in favour of honesty or walefare .
D. Pal. Mumbai.

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Joy Gupta
Re: Re: Re: Re: What a similarity!
by Joy Gupta on Jun 19, 2011 05:31 PM

Mr. Pal, please check again when Maruti's Manesar plant was inaugurated. (30 years back????)

Backward integration itself is an old idea revisited after two decades by the industry to improve the efficiency and eliminate failures, especially because outsourcing has failed to meet the expectations due to commitment issues.

When I point out the land area for Tata's Singur plant, all I want to say that this is an area to be looked into.

What makes you think that I am involved with any political party? And not involved in social activity? I am not a supporter of any current political party. But in West Bengal, I am supporting the change because that is the ONLY alternative. And I advocate patience to the Left supporters because their common sense has vanished long back. As long as the present Govt is able to do some good work, it will be good for the people of West Bengal because they have suffered a lot.

And for India also, I support a change till a reform in the areas of Judiciary, Electoral and constitution takes place.



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Debrata Pal
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What a similarity!
by Debrata Pal on Jun 19, 2011 07:31 PM
Joy Backward integration is not obsolete now it was obsolete even few years back also. It am giving some examples of latest backward integration .
Indias second largest tyre manufacturer trying to aquire Rubber plantation field to produce NR-Rubber for their own use so that they can keep their selling cost in control.Another example JSW ENERGY they are trying to aquire some coal mines for their own use .
For the details you can go GOOGLE search by putting
latest news of Appllow Tyres,latest news on JSW Energy .
As I told you in some of my earlier discussion
that you have update every day with latest news with the help of internet(best) , news paper, news channel .
D. Pal.

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Joy Gupta
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What a similarity!
by Joy Gupta on Jun 20, 2011 06:36 PM


DP, I am into the chemical and petrochemical industry. I have been part of backward integration in my earlier company Asian Paints who developed its own resin & emulsion plant which are raw materials for solvent based & water based paints respectively.

Then I have been part of outsourcing of services and supplies.

The main reason for the failure of outsourcing is the cost as high inflation is pushing the labour costs & input costs upward and also the reliability as many times outsourcing failed completely due to lack of commitment from the vendor/partner.

Different industries dealt with re-introducing the backward integration philosophy in sync with their business objectives and economics.

In foreign countries, the failure of outsourcing is due to cost, quality and timely delivery or failed milestone.



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Joy Gupta
Re: Re: Re: Re: What a similarity!
by Joy Gupta on Jun 19, 2011 11:24 AM

Biplab, I don't need any cabinet position. I am happy with what I am. And I support PPI, not TMC. Read about PPI in the net.

In another forum I have mentioned that Mamata & TMC is partially responsible for Tatas leaving Singur.

And by the way, I care two hoots for comments from people like you (paid cadres).



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