PM saheb, plse dont punish any corrupt politician or beaurocrate.Let them loot the country because they are Indians.After all those foeigners who looted us before independence are our welwishers and financers.So what's the harm if an Indian is looting India.But dont let any outsider loot us in this 21st centuary.
HOW MANY SAT BHWANA BY SONIA MILO AND HOW MANY AGENDAS AGAINST CORRUPTION BY PM WILL DO TOWARDS BETTERMNENT OF OUR BELOVED COUNTRY. OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN LOOTED BY POLITICIANS, BEAURACRATS, MAFIAS SINCE INDEPENDENCE BUT TILL DATE NO ONE HAS BEEN PUNISHED , NEITHER ANY HUGE BLACK ASSETS HAVE BEEN SIEZED. ALL HAVE ESCAPED WITH THE HELP OF POLITICAL LEADERS. NOW OUR MOST WEAK PRIME MINISTER LIKE MONMOHAN SING HAS EXTENDED AGENDAS AGAINST CORRUPTION. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR PRIME MINISTER WHETHER THE CORRUPTS WILL BE LEGALLY PROVED AND PROSECUTED REALLY? AS WE HAVE SEEN LOT OF CORRUPTS, MAFIAS HAVE ESCAPED WITH HUGE NATIONAL ASSETS
Now congress has taken action against all of its all corrupt Ministers and CM and disclosed swiss accounts and agree for JPC. But BJP most corrupt CM is still not resigning. This show BJP has tookover congress as most corrupt party in India.BJP says Yeddyurappa need not quit Yeddyurappa met all the requirements of the BJP high command.Currently the Chief Minister is following the advice of his astrologer and doing surya namaskaram in the buff. Corruption is corruption or corrupt person is corrupt whether small or Big scams.If you have done corruption of Rs1 also it doesn’t mean that you are not corrupt
Re: Now congress has taken action against all of its all corrupt
by irn bru on Feb 12, 2011 09:02 PM
Yes congress has taken all steps... All ministers are in Jail... India has recovered 2L crores... PM has quit, Raja, Chavan...Kalmadi are in jail...
There is a lot of difference in taking and "action" and actually doing something... what about Rahul Baba's $2.2. B in swiss bank? what about black money?
Raja is arrested by CBI(congress bureau of Investigation) he is not charge-sheeted...
all whats happening is just consolation steps...its not concrete...
and i agree that BJP should do something of that CM
What a mess India has become, corruption everywhere, there used to be a great respect and highest regards for our judicial system but now the judiciaries are named in scams etc.
Many of us feel that electing BJP in the centre will end this but as we are noticing in Karnataka, MP and elsewhere, BJP is also involved in Scams, corruption, hate towards certain communities/groups etc.
We even cant do Egypt like boycott here b'coz we don't have an alternate to fight for, Congress is looting in the centre and BJP is looting in the states, whom do we support?
I wish some honest people among us with enthusiasm, willingness and decent understanding of politics come up as an alternative to these corrupt politicians.
I strongly believe if politicians regardless of their party and industrialists regardless of their affiliations being investigated for unaccounted wealth and brought to justice, Our Country will be far ahead of US or UK Economically and we will have to search for countries to distribute surplus wealth.
I hope my message will reach the rightful hearts who are concerned about our beloved Country India.
The advent of Electronic Voting Machine, Internet, Mobile phones etc. We can easily bring direct consensus democracy through Electronic Voting Machine/Internet/Mobile Phone etc to India as is done in Switzerland successfully for the past several years since 1890. The need of the hour for most of the democracies across the world is to transition from representative democracy to Direct Consensus democracy.
1.) I have a suggestion for it by introducing a new constitution with bicameral parliament like the one we have right now. Important difference would be the upper house would comprise of engineers, graduates, post graduates, doctors, arts, commerce, finance and other qualified experts from various fields and walks of life who would be duly elected by graduates across the country in election over internet by use of Virtual Private Network set up by election commission of India.
2.) The lower house would comprise of elected representatives elected by rest of the people in the same way. In order to pass a law, legislation or bill both the houses need to agree by simple majority.
3.) In case they do not then the bill is not passed.
4.) In case the bill is passed and the people are satisfied it will become law.
Re: Direct Consensus democracy
by abhishek mawle on Feb 06, 2011 12:37 PM
5.) If people are dissatisfied they can get a referendum by getting signatures of 50,000 citizens and then invitation for suggestion or recommendation from citizens from all parts of India would be invited on a national website, top 10 popular suggestion would be judged by calling graduate citizens across the country to vote on them after deciding the top 10 suggestions.
6.) The top 10 suggestion can be put to referendum and both groups of graduate citizens comprising of engineers, graduates, post graduates, doctors, arts, commerce, finance, other qualified experts from various fields and rest of the people have to rate the suggestions on a 0- 10 scale and the suggestion that gets maximum points in both the groups of citizens will become the law, legislation or bill and the earlier law/laws is to be replaced with it. In case if there is a disagreement between graduate citizens and rest of the citizens then the whole district/state/country will vote either to accept/refuse the initiative this would be final if it gets 70% votes majority and can only be overturned by a similar initiative after a gap of at least 6 months.
7.) The citizens will have the universal power to create/amend/delete any law by following the above-mentioned process at any point of time.
8.) The citizens will have the power to recall any government official whether elected/selected or appointed including Judges.
9.) To suspend Lower Grade Public servant from office 1,000 votes are required
Re: Re: Direct Consensus democracy
by abhishek mawle on Feb 06, 2011 12:38 PM
12.) The employee then has the option to appeal the same in the state High Court which again can then either allow or dismiss petition.
13.) The employee then has the option to appeal the same in the Supreme Court, which again can then either allow or dismiss petition.
14.) Not withstanding anything said above the employee himself can propose an initiative for his reinstatement by getting 3,000/7,000/10,000 signatures of citizen either for district /state/Country initiative at any point of time before the Local/High/Supreme Court has delivered Judgment. In case the employee has received an adverse judgment in his case then based on the court which gave the judgment, the aggrieved employee needs to bring an initiative at district level if local court has delivered the verdict, similarly at state level or national level if the verdict was delivered by High Court or Supreme Court.
15.) In case either Local/High/Supreme Court allows the employee case then the employee is reinstated.
16.) In case the Citizens are not happy with the decision they can bring an initiative to overturn the Local Court’s decision by obtaining 3,000 signatures of citizens as district initiative. If the decision is passed by High Court then 7,000 signatures of citizens as State initiative. If the decision is passed by Supreme Court then 10,000 signatures citizens as National initiative to overturn the respective courts decision.
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by abhishek mawle on Feb 06, 2011 12:39 PM
17.) Once the initiative gets required signatures then the employee and his opponents need to present their case in writing and then have a debate on the national media for two consecutive Sundays in which citizens can ask questions by either calling or emailing their queries and have the option to constitute an expert committee to probe or any other scientific/legal process to understand the case matter. After having a national media debate the citizens will cast their votes in 1 week to decide the issue and will be decided on the basis of point no.18.
18.) Once the national debate is over then both graduate citizens comprising of engineers, graduates, post graduates, doctors, arts, commerce, finance and other qualified experts from various fields group and rest of the citizens group need to either accept or refuse the initiative. In case if there is a disagreement between graduate citizens and rest of the citizens then the whole district/state/country will vote either to accept/refuse the dismissal of employee would be final if it gets 70% votes majority and can only be overturned by a similar initiative after a gap of at least 6 months.
19.) In case if by any chance all the above do not give a clear mandate the benefit of doubt will be in favor of suspended employee and he will be reinstated to his job.
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by abhishek mawle on Feb 06, 2011 12:40 PM
20.) In reference to criminal punishment, Death sentence can only be awarded when 95% of the citizens vote for the same and their votes duly verified, this rule cannot be challenged by citizens or any court in the country.
21.) In case if death sentence is awarded the convict has to spend 5 years in prison before the death sentence order is executed.
22.) Maximum sentence that can be awarded to a citizen for crime in a single instance shall not be more than 10 Years in prison except death sentence; citizens or any court in the country cannot challenge this rule.
23.) Any other forms of capital punishment are banned this rule cannot be challenged by citizens or any court in the country.
24.) The citizens of India can create/amend/delete any law/legislation or bill except criminal punishments at any point of time by getting signatures of at least 50,000 citizens followed by the procedure mentioned in Points 5,6 and 25.
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by abhishek mawle on Feb 06, 2011 12:47 PM
33.) There will be an armory for every 1,00,000 people armed with guns, rocket launchers, fighter aircrafts, Bullet Proof Jackets and all other latest armaments used in war and this institution will have a separate budget for procuring armaments, in case the country is taken over by a dictator or in case of emergency. It is advisable for the country to decide by vote before the citizens to get armed but in case the possibility to vote is reduced or the voting process to be fair is difficult then 70,000 citizens will assemble with their ID cards in front of the armory, sign the register for receipt of weapons and get armed for facing the emergency. Once the emergency is over the citizens must place the weapons they received during emergency back in armory in three week time after the country decides by voting that emergency is over, failing which they would be seized from them and they would have to face imprisonment up to 5 years. These armories will have a staff of 5000 each and will always be headed by people elected by citizens and can be removed by process in which majority in both graduate citizens comprising of engineers, graduates, post graduates, doctors, arts, commerce, finance, other qualified experts from various fields and rest of the people. In case if there is a disagreement between graduate citizens and less educated citizens then the whole 1,00,000 citizens will vote either to accept/refuse the dismissal of employee would be final if it gets 70% votes majo
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by abhishek mawle on Feb 06, 2011 12:43 PM
28.) The Prime Minister would be elected by people after going through all the profiles of Prime Ministerial Nominations in six months from the date of posting on the national website and after having a national media debate on media every third Sunday for Six months. The period of voting would be six months; the voting process would allow people to rate the candidates from 0-10 points. The top 10 nominees who win the highest number of points will be final nominees. once the top 10 nominees are known then there would be a nation wide election to chose one amongst them. The nominee who wins the highest number of votes will be declared Prime Minister for 10 Years. The Prime Minster can be recalled by the citizens at any point of time during his tenure by initiating recall election across the country, To initiate recall elections at least 1,00,000 Citizens need to sign a recall petition by citing the reasons about the same, once 1,00,000 signatures are attained the process needs to started within a month’s time and completed within three months.
29.) The procedure for nomination of Chief Minister would be the same except that State Election Commission would conduct it.
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by abhishek mawle on Feb 06, 2011 12:45 PM
30.) The procedure for election of Chief Minister would be the same except that this would happen at the state level. To initiate recall of Chief Minister at least 50,000 Citizens from the respective state need to sign a recall petition by citing the reasons about the same, once 50,000 signatures are attained the process needs to started within a month’s time and completed within three months.
31.) The transition from representative democracy should be done in a phased manner in order to prevent confusion first by implementing in the order mentioned Lok Sabha members, Rajya Sabha members, Prime Minister, Sate Legislative Assembly members, State Legislative Council members, Chief Minister, Muncipal Wards, Panchayat samithi and other electoral positions.
The Ten fundamental rights recognised by the constitution would be
a) Verifiable voting with receipt issued to voter along with his choices mentioned. b) The right to service. c) The right to information. d) The right to debate. e) The right to referendum. f) The right to recall elected/selected/appointed representatives. g) The right to create/amend/delete any law/legislation or bill. h) The right to equality. i) The right to freedom. j) The right to freedom from exploitation. k) The right to freedom of religion. l) Cultural and educational rights.
32.) Political party system would be unconstitutional.
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by abhishek mawle on Feb 06, 2011 12:41 PM
25.) In case if there is a disagreement between graduate citizens and less educated citizens then the whole country will vote on a law proposed by less educated citizens and would be passed if it gets 70% votes majority.
26.) Any other issues will be dealt similarly as stated above.
27.) The Prime Minster would be selected from a pool of nominations filed by the nominees themselves on the Prime Ministerial election website to be hosted by Election Commission of India along with each Prime Ministerial candidates Qualifications, Detailed Profile including past performance in posts elected or selected, his manifesto, his vision and his criminal record and all the statements needs to be duly verified and if any citizen notices any discrepancy in nomination documents of a nominee candidate he should inform the same to Election Commission of India and the commission needs to reply with in 48 hours of lodging of complaint and if found to be true the profile needs to be altered with new facts discovered along with a stiff penalty decided by the court.
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by abhishek mawle on Feb 06, 2011 12:47 PM
33.) There will be an armory for every 1,00,000 people armed with guns, rocket launchers, fighter aircrafts, Bullet Proof Jackets and all other latest armaments used in war and this institution will have a separate budget for procuring armaments, in case the country is taken over by a dictator or in case of emergency. It is advisable for the country to decide by vote before the citizens to get armed but in case the possibility to vote is reduced or the voting process to be fair is difficult then 70,000 citizens will assemble with their ID cards in front of the armory, sign the register for receipt of weapons and get armed for facing the emergency. Once the emergency is over the citizens must place the weapons they received during emergency back in armory in three week time after the country decides by voting that emergency is over, failing which they would be seized from them and they would have to face imprisonment up to 5 years. These armories will have a staff of 5000 each and will always be headed by people elected by citizens and can be removed by process in which majority in both graduate citizens comprising of engineers, graduates, post graduates, doctors, arts, commerce, finance, other qualified experts from various fields and rest of the people. In case if there is a disagreement between graduate citizens and less educated citizens then the whole 1,00,000 citizens will vote either to accept/refuse the dismissal of employee would be final if it gets 70% votes majo
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by abhishek mawle on Feb 06, 2011 12:48 PM
All the citizens have a right to inspect the armory at any point of time.
34.) Although this system might not solve all the problems but will solve most of them that are plaguing our country now and more importantly it makes politicians and bureaucrats more accountable. Further this system also provides a necessary relief valve or people to express their aspirations in the form of initiatives.
35.) Questions or Suggestions are welcome about my proposed Modern Constitution of India. Doing the same thing again and again, expecting different results is insanity. Let us get rid of this nuisance.
