If any one is comparing the pay scale in other countries ,there is freedom for them to go there and work.If every body compares the payscale with US ,then what is the salary to sweepers we need to offer.Salary given by HRD is fully justified
No boycotting classes. Radically different from Dr strike (AIIMS) or Pilot strike (Jet)
Please Govt try to get a negotiated settlement fast. Do not encourage militancy in the form of strikes.
Do not treat IIT guys as a 3rd class engineering college (Ex: Professor in MK University took class for MBA - Maslow's theory - in tamil for an english medium class, Openly discuss politics - dont ever think of comparing them with IIT)
Re: Just another 3rd class engineering colleges
by raghu raj on Sep 22, 2009 10:25 AM
What is the value that's derived for the economy of India through IIT. Most of the students move to foreign locations to start their career!!
Dear, I am very glad to see that these hypocratic professors of IIT have been put in the grade of a normal techers. I am from IIT, and I know , how these hypocratic people make fool the common man of India. If evrybody is struggling, let them also struggle... IIT are renowed because of their students and not by the teachers , who are teaching there. Did you ever heard from any IITian , who is at very high position or has achieved a lot in his life, that he has gained this becasue of his teachers in IIT. One of the hypocratic is comparing aith US and CHINA and other country. I do not, how this shameless fellow can do it. Take out the records of publications per person(not the lab as one has 15 student in PhD and left them on their fate, not a single teacher goes to lab to see, what is happeing there), Do not talk abot the patent. The ratio os student and teacher is 50 times better than a normal university. They teach 3 hrs per week and take a lab of 5 hrs in one week. This is their job. Everybody knows what they teach.. evrything is in the books and student have to read otherwise their tutorial which they have copied from the web of various sites make them great. Mr. Kapil sibbal should not give them a single penny extra than their normal pay
Re: IIT professors
by Prashant Ambad on Sep 24, 2009 09:55 AM
Dear, It very sad the student of IIT is talking like this. Its shameful that in IIT has students like you. If you think IITs are not good, why did you joined it? only those are having importanace of it, who missed the opportunity to enter into IIT.
Re: IIT professors
by Harpreet Bedi on Sep 21, 2009 08:14 PM
Let better people come to IIT rather than fleeing to institutes abroad. It can also be said that IIT itself has not produced any great students, compared to Regional Engineering colleges. Case in point `Kalpana Chawala, Abdul Kalam'. IIT is a symptom of lack of opportunities provided in india for research. No top notch researcher in basic sciences (Math, Phy, Chem. Bio) will work in Engineering schools whose students can integrate but do not understand what integration is
Re: IIT professors
by Ram Parasuram on Sep 21, 2009 08:07 PM
"IIT are renowed because of their students" - thats a very arrogant and over confident quote.
Please do not forget that majority of IIT teachers are products of IITs (not Mtech but B.Tech).
2. You might have gone to US for MS. Would you comment your MS teachers at Iowa State, Harvard, Upenn and Penn state. No you wouldnt dare. Try to respect your teachers. You might have decided to stay in corporates, think about the pure fascination and love towards technology these teachers like to remain in academia. One more question - why did you join IIT if you were so great. A wayside Engg. college is enough to prove your skills. Dont insult your teachers - thats not IIT culture.
Re: Re: IIT professors
by Harpreet Bedi on Sep 21, 2009 08:20 PM
Let teachers earn respect, not command it. It is a fact that "IIT are renowned because of their students". Knowledge is freely available in books. Research is far more important that teaching, which is just espousing what someone else has done. Smart students will pick up from the books, but IITs are a failure to instill in the ethos for original research. 2) You can `dare ' to question your teacher in the US but not in India. There is a mentality in India that teacher is god, and should get respect, just because he is in that position to be a `bully pulpit'.
Re: Re: Re: IIT professors
by RathaChamundeeswari Angalamman on Sep 22, 2009 06:55 AM
If you wanna learn, First learn himility. You have books freely available for even to make a rocket to go to Mars. Great scientists were humble.
Even Newton, after seeing apple fall down and formulating the laws of Gravity, declared "All fine but do not know why Gravity theory should occur only to me". Einstein declared "Universe's creation is not only stranger than what we think, but also stranger than what we CAN think".
It is amazing that the babus in MHRD gave the example of DRDO to justify the pay scales of the IIT folks !
IIT has proven to be high quality educational/research institutes, where as the DRDO labs are known for being the worst among the lot. More than half of these DRDO labs just deserve to be shut down !
dirty fingers of politicians cannot stomach anything running professionally or sans corruption.academic institutions should be left to the academics.rediculous to have fixed number of criteria for professors for presentations.
Politicians have already done damage to functioning of IIT/IIM,It is high time these institute are allowed to function to keep their reputation,If these are treated at par with other Education institute then only god can save this country.
While it is true that they should be rewarded suitably in terms of pay and perks, a cap on number of promotions is necessary. it cannot happen that all of them get promoted automatically. Pyramid structure alone will ensure merit is awarded. if all are fit to be professors, then are we not diluting standards. Every cadre has limited promotions and it is necessary. In fact it is more generous in respect of scientific community and teachers. These guys do not have tensions of Officers of defence, IAS, IPS etc. Let us not get carried over by reputation of these Institutions.
Re: Hunger strike.
by Vinaay H Upadhyay on Sep 21, 2009 07:17 PM
Dear Mr. Kumar,
With all respect to the defence, IAS and IPS fratenity, but shouldering and maintaining the image of IIT's isn't a joke and far more difficult then these above mentioned facilities. These are mjor consulting organisations for the so called defence, IAS and IPS of the nation. These facilities have brains to run these fratenities but I can say the IAS and IPS can't run the IIT's or the IIM's. The politician have just increased the OBC reservations to gain vote banks out of it but the burden on the faculties it has caught can't be understood by us who pass comments on the net. I stay in one of these IIT and I can try to understand the work that they do. Today there is acute shortage for faculties and they need some bait to draw talent.
Re: Hunger strike.
by Manoj K on Sep 21, 2009 07:11 PM
IIT graduates are doing a lot better than others just because of these professor. You seems to forget that these professors have a lot more lucrative career options worldwide. But they are in IITs after sacrificing these. In return they are getting very less. Whereas the cadres and service which you mentioned has little or no scope outside government of india system. Also these people are engaged in corruption but professors have noscope. Evenif there is scope they are not engaged. Now a days, many qualified people do not prefer to joing IITs because of these nonsense.
The politicians are interested only in creating vote banks. They have created so many profit making portfolios - SC, ST, OBC, Minority, Women, Rural etc. And they assigned managers for each of these.
IIT/IIM pay scale will not come under any vote bank portfolio.
