It is an eye opener to those who clamour for privatization of all Govt.firms at the drop of a hat.To handle such situations you require backbone of steel. Make Pilot training Cheaper and recruitment of pilots more transparent.The solutions lie here too.
crush those who talk of unions. they are the ones who have ruied many good indian companies by their adamant and illogical demans and refusal to see the changing times.
For a successful working of airline pilots and other staffs are pillars .Hence, they should be paid a good salary . Therefore, it is beter for a industry to prepare a standard cost structure so, that they can have a more or less uniform salry structure and perks. Rationalization of cost , justfication of airline fare for customer is must .
Its a really a big unfolded secret why some are providing cost effectie service other dont
Re: Bad precedent
by MarkandeswaraRao Gunnu on Sep 15, 2009 02:08 PM
Bhayya, why there is decripancy in pay packets of Indian and Firangi's Is goes a chamcha of firangi's or what?
Re: Re: Bad precedent
by Devdutt Sen on Sep 15, 2009 06:06 PM
Firangi pilots should all be sent back. Reduce number of flights till ourown brood is large enough to take over. Trains can do their job till that time.
Re: Bad precedent
by Devdutt Sen on Sep 15, 2009 06:08 PM
Reduce number of flights and black list these pilots. No airline should employ them. In case any airlinew employs these selfish pilots, the airline should be boycotted by all of us.
Re: Right vs Responsibility
by Narinder Thakur on Sep 15, 2009 02:05 PM
Fundamental rights is the only chapter that is mugged up while preparing for exams thiking duties not to be that important :)
Re: Re: Right vs Responsibility
by Test on Sep 15, 2009 02:07 PM
Well Said.. i remember reading a chapter on Fundamental Rights in CIVICs exam, but there was no chapter on Responsibilities.
Re: Re: Re: Right vs Responsibility
by Narinder Thakur on Sep 15, 2009 02:23 PM
Duties chapter in civics books describes our responsibilities towards our nation. check :)
Re: Right vs Responsibility
by GG on Sep 15, 2009 02:01 PM
All these pilots were performing their duties till the time they were sacked ( for asking for their right).So,just do your duties,never ask for your rights.Is that what you want to say ?
My sympathies are towards Mr. Goyal. It is his entrepreneurship that so many people have got the job.Any tom,dick and harry do not have guts to run the show.It needs a lot of imagination and skill to run a company. Pilots and other airline staff who get a hefty salary have no right to go on strike. Ina country where an average Indian earns only 100/- Rs. a day,these people who earn lakhs have no right to go on strike which ultimately resulted in loss to the company and inconvenience to the guest the term used by air staff for customers. Loss occured must be debited from the salaries of pilots and they should be kicked once alternate staff is available.
Re: Pilots blackmailed Goyal
by Gopalakrishnan NT on Sep 19, 2009 04:18 PM
So why did Naresh Goyal threatend that one day strike along with KF Mallaya? Was he not fleecing passengers during the boom? The pilots just took a cue out of him.
Re: Pilots blackmailed Goyal
by afzal ahmed on Sep 15, 2009 01:11 PM
Wrong use of the wword 'guest'. I dont ask my guests to pay up while I do ask my customers to pay. May be Jet does not asks people for fare!! Pl correct me if I am wrong.
Re: FAT PAY TAKERS (PILOTS) are ROOT CAUSE of AIRLINE ILLS
by afzal ahmed on Sep 15, 2009 01:04 PM
Forming a union is legal as per the law of the land. Why should they be punished? In case you are pissed off on account of the pilot's salary then please find out how much are the management earning and how much moolah Mr Goyal is taking home? Just for info, I am not a civil pilot in Jet or in any other airlines.
Re: Re: FAT PAY TAKERS (PILOTS) are ROOT CAUSE of AIRLINE ILLS
by Devdutt Sen on Sep 15, 2009 06:14 PM
My dear, Afzal, its not a question of what is legal. Law allows you to many things. and disaallows many others. The Unions in modern India have been a menace. A set of weeds eating up the roots of real good crop. This is the flip slide of democracy. A way needsto be found to get rid of these.
Re: Re: FAT PAY TAKERS (PILOTS) are ROOT CAUSE of AIRLINE ILLS
by Test on Sep 15, 2009 01:36 PM
You must be a spoiled son of union leader, who works for so called govt of india.
Re: Re: Re: FAT PAY TAKERS (PILOTS) are ROOT CAUSE of AIRLINE ILL
by raja ray on Sep 15, 2009 02:03 PM
mind u r language . u may be a spoiled son of a loan shark, blackmarketeer and a moneylender all together.
Re: FAT PAY TAKERS (PILOTS) are ROOT CAUSE of AIRLINE ILLS
by GG on Sep 15, 2009 01:22 PM
What happens when those people you keeo for 50% salary goes on strike.You sack them and keep another set for 50% of 50% of salary.Good ...this way you can make people work for free.You should be made the head of Management studies at Harvard.
Re: FAT PAY TAKERS (PILOTS) are ROOT CAUSE of AIRLINE ILLS
by GG on Sep 15, 2009 01:15 PM
Question is not how much pilots gets paid,or how much Mr. Goel gets paid.Question is every staff anywhere in the world has a right to form a union.Even in US,Mecca of capitalism they can deny this right.Show me a country where forming union is not allowed.(other than midlle east countries).You cannot sack your staff for claiming this right.
Re: Re: FAT PAY TAKERS (PILOTS) are ROOT CAUSE of AIRLINE ILLS
by Devdutt Sen on Sep 15, 2009 06:17 PM
China is doing well - doing great - without any such foolish system. May be only due to lack of this kind of foolish system that we cherish
Re: Re: Re: FAT PAY TAKERS (PILOTS) are ROOT CAUSE of AIRLINE ILL
by Kalyanasundaram Venkatesh on Sep 20, 2009 05:03 PM
India need to learn from China on implementing the Labour laws properly. Our Indian laws are totally mess and useless; not even a single law can be easily understood by a common citizen. Total mess Confusion = Indian Constitution & Laws. Our Indian laws are only good enough to protect the Wealthy guys, industrialists, billionaires and Politicians. If a politician or an Industrialist borrow multi million rupees from the Bank and run away without any punishment; if a poor farmer borrow a loan of 100,000Rs from bank and unable to repay due to draught, laws will be very strict on that farmer and finally he will kill himself. This is the Truth and Reality of Indian Constitution/laws.
For all the hype, Jet Airways was a big disappointment. Clearly, its quality of service has gone way way down. The upkeep of aircraft interiors - which is one of clear indicators of quality was shoddy. The service quality was less than average - specially on a flight from Singapore to Chennai. So, the signs of an Indian PSU is written all over. Its only a matter of time, that Jet sinks low. Too bad. Perhaps, it is to do with water in India that we can never achieve 'World Class' in anything we do.
Re: Jet - A Let down !!
by Kalyanasundaram Venkatesh on Sep 20, 2009 05:09 PM
well said. None of the airlines in India could match atleast 25% of the quality services provided by Singapore Airlines. Singapore airlines was started in last 50s and now its one of the leading airlines in the world with top class quality service having more than 100 aircrafts and so many routes. None of the airlines company in India could even dream of matching Singapore airlines. Airlines companies in India should learn the basic Quality of "Service with Smile" from Singapore airlines or Cathay Pacific airways.