Re: IITians rock!!
by happy apple on Oct 17, 2009 01:18 PM
All IITians are useless from B Tech to phd if they run to US after their studies. Only people like NRN Murthy who stay in India and contribute to India's development should be respected. By the way, I think he did M Tech from IIT
Re: Re: IITians rock!!
by neha srivastava on Oct 17, 2009 04:27 PM
Reply to your msg is in this article, a team of IITian changing sports scene in India. Of course I dont mean to say only IITians are doing this, but it is also incorrect to say that all IITians prefer staying abroad. These people moved back to India for sports:
Re: Re: Re: IITians rock!!
by Sanjiv on Oct 17, 2009 08:27 PM
Neha NOBODY said "all IITians prefer staying abroad" in the above message i can read "if they run to US after their studies" so can you please explain how you came to conclusion that all IITians are refered?
tum logo ko koi kaam nahi hai kya? bas IIT ka naam aaya or lage rone.... they deserve what they are getting and you get what you deserve, that is how the world works.
Breakthrough research!!! yes there are so many of them, but they are not patented by IIT since they are funded by govt and private agencies and they own the copyright to it.
Tax payer's money!!! you can't say that govt is wasting money on IITs. that is destructive thinking. What you should be asking is that all the colleges should be improved to be made like IITs. Of course then too the output will not be as good due to quality of students but still everybody has a right to education.
IITians' emmigration. ya many of them leave actually. that is sad, but just go in campus placement of any IIT and see for yourself how many indian companies come there. Everybody gotta earn a living. And yes, the pledge which I was sworn in at the time of joining IIT was.... "I will use my knowledge for welfare of my country and Humanity at large." Therefore even ignoring IITians efforts in India doesn't quiet surpass their contribution otherwise.
Re: arre yaar......
by Sanjiv on Oct 17, 2009 01:11 PM
PoliticallyIncorrect you seem to be a patrotic person that you vowed "I will use my knowledge for welfare of my country and Humanity at large." anybody can think but how many IITians live these words.
You said that thinking that "govt is wasting money on IITs. that is destructive thinking" my learned friend there are always 2 side to coin. As an indian don't you feel that the money which govt invest in subsidised education of 1 grad can be used to feed 100 hungry starving childrens???
When an IITian passes out he is blank about the practical world and someone has to spoon feed him / her for initial days. I personally think that if you spoon - feed any normal individual with IQ of 105 he / she can work. :) so what diffrent an IITian is doing here?
You said "Breakthrough research!!! yes there are so many of them, but they are not patented by IIT since they are funded by govt and private agencies and they own the copyright to it." That's really a good news. I would appreciate if you can you please tell 20 changes that IITian have made in an average Indian life. If you think by 20 i asking too much then 15 would also work :)
You said "there is no proper placement for IIT as not many indian companies come there" yes indian companies hesitate to come for placement but have you ever tried to analyze WHY. IITians generally feel that what an indian company is offering them is way low there standard and there demand's are high that it is not possible for indian companies to meet
Re: Re: Re: arre yaar......
by Sanjiv on Oct 17, 2009 07:50 PM
I am just asking for 5 / 10 / 20 instances where IITians have brought a change in average indian life? if you have then please share else shut you beak. Happy Diwali
Re: Re: arre yaar......
by PoliticallyIncorrect on Oct 18, 2009 09:07 AM
it is not about patriotism, that is the official vow that every person joining IIT have to take. It is IIT's vision.
ya why to build dams, lets feed poor, why to have space programmes, lets feed poor, why to have army, lets feed poor. But how long can govt feed unproductive poor people. it is both that govt should do, one, to feed the poor, two, to give them education opportunity so that they doesn't always depend on help.
dude I don't know which company do you work for, may be some call center where IQ doesn't even matter. But believe me or not, there are jobs where IITians are genuinely needed. Ask that to Bill Gates, Narayan Murti etc.
I don't knwo what an average indian mean but still since you are asking evidence here it is.. unconventional power projects like small hydro, solar and wind are researched in IIT Delhi and are operational in many villages. Sun the company which has broke the monopoly of Microsoft in software market was started by an IITian. So many startups are in place due to IITians. Even if they moved outside, so many of them are venture capitalist now, funding indian startups. And instead of going on and on about it, I would say that if IITians of 60s and 70s wouldn't have gone to USA and proved themselves there, probably you wouldn't have a job to afford an internet connection today.
Re: Re: arre yaar......
by Ravi Ranjan on Oct 17, 2009 05:54 PM
@sanjeev @everyone yes it is true that most of the iitians ply to US once they get a chance, only because of the comfort and money which is on offer. I also agree that it is incorrect. It totally is. But then there are reasons behind it, which i will put forward in a while. Someone wrote that iitians are nerd and thet study 20 hrs a day to be themselves, I want to enlighten that guy that your belief is totally a misconception. Obviously there are a few, but I bet majority of us here, have made it only because of intelligent studying. (no i m not boasting and i totally agree that there are people more dynamic and intelligent than iitians)
Now about iitians choosing US over India, reasons are obvious. Most of the guys here hail from families ranging from lower middle class to the upper middle class(exceptions exist). First thing, rather the first priority in every students mind is to earn money for their parents, parents who have toiled for years to see their child successful and in todays world money is what is the equivalent of joy, happiness. They want to earn money to improve the standard of living of their families and that in itself is much of a task. Talking about research opportunities, I would like to throw light on one very important fact that majority of the research is carried out at the graduate level and the post graduate level. The IITs are known for the standards of undergraduate study and students prefer going abroad for graduating because of more oppurtun
Re: Re: Re: arre yaar......
by Ravi Ranjan on Oct 17, 2009 05:58 PM
for carrying forward any research opportunity which anyone has harbored during his undergraduate days, there arent many graduate schools in India to accomplish the same and hence that research thingy you all are talking about becomes an issue..
Yes the ones who want to earn money to set their standard of livings on a upward rise, money is what matters, and you get more money in US for the same quality of work, as simple as that. Anyways lot of blabbering hope i made myself clear...:)
Re: Re: Re: Re: arre yaar......
by Sanjiv on Oct 17, 2009 07:36 PM
Ravi i am agree with you that most of the human want to have a comfortable life. But please recall that IITs were created to train scientists and engineers, with the aim of developing a skilled workforce to support the economic and social development of INDIA after independence in 1947.
But today it has become so-called a visa to US for most of students. The main question is if after graduating from an institute which was established for the development of India after independence in 1947 on cost of money from indian tax payers how right it is to build a career on the ppl's money?
For me money provided for subsidised education is useless for INDIA and INDIANS unless they support india econimic and socially in it's development. Do you think anybody would mind a bit if they get oppurtunity to spend there hard earned money on themself?
I would really want to know what IITian have really done for India? If you give an example that as an IITian like Mr. Murthy has contributed in Indian Development then i would like to say Dhirubahi Ambani also contributed in India's growth but he was not IITian so what make an IITian diffrent?
They have totally defeated the purpose and reason of creation of IIT. Happy Diwali :)
Re: arre yaar......
by ASHISH KUMAR on Oct 19, 2009 05:14 PM
Mr politician u have big inferity complex from top Indian achievers who are not necssraily from IIT. There are thousand of non IITians who are more intelligent than u. person like u doesn't deserve any respect who keep quoting ur college name as u don't have any other contribution. In top 100 achievers of India (by forbes list), 80% of them are non IITians. I believe they are more intelligent than u. U will admit that even Abdul kalam, Maselakr, 7 Indian Nobel prize winner, Ambani, Aziz Premji , kurien etc are much more intelligent than u even if they didn't study in IIT. This IIT phobia works only in NI & thatswhy this part of India is not developing at all. U are saying as if other all people are crying & only IITians are great. It tells ur IQ level. Grow up man, there are many non IITians who are equally successful in life & doing much better than u.
Actually Sanjiv is right. I seriously don't remember any breakthrough research from IITs in last decade or so. Does any of you? Hmm let's see- IITs intake bookworms who study 20 hrs a day in order to crack a 3hr exam. Those students would have probably continued with the same trend studying hards during IIT days. So logically speaking IITians with so much of theoretical knowledge should be able to devise something new but it is quite frustrating that we hear nothing from this institute. Also working in USA and seeing in my company, I must say that IITians need to lower down their ego and learn communication skills which forms the basis for leadership skills. In fact to many surprise, engineers from other institute are performing much better than IITians. Many key MBA institute in USA has limited their student intake from IITs because of lack of leadership skills in those students.
Re: Sanjiv is right
by happy apple on Oct 17, 2009 01:28 PM
Who needs breakthrough research. Rediff and media wants to create heroes so that people can worship them. It was filmstars and cricketers. Now we have IIT/IIMs.
I really fail to understand why "growing level of respect for the IIT alumni."
IIT grads are NOTHING but burder on our country. I agree that it enroll's good student's to make them better but on whose cost? The amount of money spend on each grad comes from pocket of normal indian tax payers and 3/4 of them move to diffrent countries for high paying jobs.
Can anyone tell me how many IITian have created a real product in IT sector (like cisco, window, oracle or robotic science) and patened that product as an indian citizen.
The answer is ZERO and i will be a happy if i am proved wrong. :)
In my personal views IIT is nothing but a HUGE burder on the country. If there is some kind of law that ppl getting education there have to serve India and cannot fly out do you think even 5% will try to take admission in IIT and friend's that is the bitter truth of life.
Re: i fail to understand
by mank singh on Oct 17, 2009 02:44 AM
Just to answer your question there are 100s of patents filed by IItians as Indian citizens and they are just contributing to growing India's fame...What you have done for India....Before educating IIT aluminis who are great talents and brains of India, try to get through some competition and become a responsible and well educated citizen...at least you will make your parents proud....
Re: Re: i fail to understand
by Sanjiv on Oct 17, 2009 03:26 AM
mank singh i do not want to know from you how to make my parent proud please take care of your parents :) and i was not knowing that after going through a competition only one can become a responsible and educated citizen. hmmm...thanks for sharing this valuable information. well you said 100s of patents are filed by IITians as Indian Citizen please name FIVE out of 100's which are used by global citizens in day to day life. Happy diwali.
Re: Re: i fail to understand
by Sanjiv on Oct 17, 2009 04:02 AM
mank singh i may have not done anything for INDIA same time i have not build my career on taxpayers' money of INDIA
Re: Re: i fail to understand
by ASHISH KUMAR on Oct 19, 2009 05:21 PM
Manek sink, with ur preconceived thinking & wrong defintion of intelligence u are shame for the country. Being a ambani, kalam, maselkar,kurien,premji, tendulkar,Nobel prize winners etc make the country proud & not just clearing a tough exam(thats also because of population problem of country) will make u great.
Re: i fail to understand
by ms on Oct 17, 2009 02:35 AM
looks like this guy is frustrated as he didnt get through IIT...thry are the best brains of India...they are 100s of example where IITians have developed new technologies...and why do they stay in India when thery are being treated by guys like you
Re: Re: i fail to understand
by ASHISH KUMAR on Oct 19, 2009 05:25 PM
MS looks an ex IItian who is frustrated after seeing many non IITian superseeding him in career.
Re: Re: i fail to understand
by Sanjiv on Oct 17, 2009 04:00 AM
I forgot to reply to your last statement "why do they stay in India when thery are being treated by guys like you"
wow i was not knowing that treatment from one person can make such a huge diffrence to IITian that they leave there country...well if that is true then you have to appreciate me that i can influence the decision of IITians future.
Re: Re: i fail to understand
by Sanjiv on Oct 17, 2009 03:35 AM
ms can you be kind enought to share how you came to conclusion that whoever gets into IIT are the best brain in INDIA. You said there are 100s of example where IITians developed new technology, as mank singh will be sharing 5 can you be kind to share 10 out of 100s of example of technology developed by IITians as Indian Citizen and is been used by global citizen. Happy Diwali :)
Re: Re: Re: i fail to understand
by thangaraj vagul on Oct 17, 2009 09:26 AM
You are on the dot when you say that IITians are not really worth the hype created in the media at the instance of the powerful lobby of ex-IITians. There will be a deafening silence if you ask them to tell atleast 5 out of the 100 patents(?) develpoed by them.Look at the tech festival like shaastras conducted by IITs. The products displayed are nothing extraordinary. Let the IITians understand that one competition does not make them great. Life offers opportunities to all after they come out of the portals of their institutions. All of us undergo the process of leaning and unlearning through out our lives. Any one who excels on this process of continuous learning- whether they are from IIT or outside IIT-shines in their career and make India proud. My dear IITians , pleaseshed your ego,there are many others who are either equal to you or better than you.
Re: Re: i fail to understand
by ASHISH KUMAR on Oct 19, 2009 05:24 PM
MS- another ex IITian or guy from NI who has inferity complex as he never achived anything in life.
