we have ignorant and foolish reporters who get inflamed when Ramakrishnan (the nobel prize winner you fool) ignored media over affection. these foolish media types (who do not even have any qualification to tell A and B apart - rank illiterate d*a** fellows) are the first in line to promote (maybe they are sold out, but more likely they are just fooled) the newest slimming technique, the latest homeopathic remedy, the most effective magnetic therapy, the hyper sensational weight loss program, the gorge-all-you-can-and-still-be-healthy anti-diabetes miracle pill, the one-grape-a-day-cancer-avoidance-discovery made from top notch US university, the water running engine made by the next door village loiterer who was rejected by snobbish IITs ... it is just endless ...
this same media just eats out of the hands of shrewed 'scientific opearators' who play the nationalist card and get prime time reportage coverage. and you know SKB is no ordinary operator ... even outside the scientific world he would be a world class con. he would put to shame even the leading lights of our modern financial whizkids-IIM-trained-scamsters-learnt-frauds-in-a-course when he comes to scams in finance.
Re: ignorant reporters
by Murli Devi on Dec 24, 2009 10:19 AM
What Murugan has said I agree with that. Niraj Prasad and Obama kind of people here look like the anti-Brahmachari lobby people, which exist in large even at some labs at CSIR, like CCMB(well known fact) or IISC guys or DBT or JNU associated guys. You will not hear even a single good thing from these guys about Brahmachari. The reason is that Brahmachari rose at very young age against their wishes. No bloody here can cross my statement here that the Indian science's biggest frauds are sitting in JNU and IISc, who weave nexus and mafia all over India be it in issuing grant through DBT or selecting candidates on new post for some institute. Example is IISER: All ISER have committees guided by people from IISc or JNU. They set personal scores there and remove well qualified candidates and put their candidates instead. The same they do in giving grants in DBT, which runs under to obilize only the people associated with it! The IISc guys eat all country money but what they give? curse to Indian science! The publication record of IGIB during SKB tenure and after that is better than IISc and JNU. JNU and IISc guys ahve no reply for this. They are up against and together against Brahmachari and try to find any opportunity to attack over him because he is the only person who spoiled their world, monopoly and nexus! They are jealous of him. Yes this Human Genome sequencing stuff has been immature thing/blunder on the part of Brahmachari but his contribution to Indian science is huge.
Re: Re: ignorant reporters
by Niraj Prasad on Dec 24, 2009 12:51 PM
you know Murli your words are the words of ignorant public who know nothing of how the education system in works (or rather malfunctions). I do not blame you coz you have been spoon fed by the shrewed guys about 'greatness' of 'our poeple'. your only porblem is a lack of skepticism.
I will advise you just one thing. Meet SKB a few times. talk to him and ask some technical question about 'his research'. you will know what i am talking about.
and for your information, i am not some established sctientist trying to settle scores but a student.
Hehehe, we do NOT take him seriously. He is the man who was trying to make sensational news saying he will make drug discovery in 1million while developed country spends 1 billion. First of all, he does NOT even know what drug discovery is. On top of it, he believes structural biology is discovery. And he talks on outdated information. Its like someone woke up from sleep and asking, is India got Freedom from British?. More than that the article title talks on something. While all the characters in this article talk about general text book/review article information on genomics and pharma research. None of them are referring to Samir' work or referring title. Hehehe, I know this is Comedy science.
Re: CSIR DG is a Comedy King
by Muruganswamy on Dec 23, 2009 10:53 AM
It is not like that. Samir Brahmachari is a daring and great personality who has capability to take risk. He has done many wonderful jobs at IGIB as its director and still doing good work as a DG......but thing is that now he seems to be surrounded more by wrong and fraud people like these two scientists from IGIB. Otherwise you would hardly find such publications which Brahmachari has and the kind of work over genome his old group at IGIB did once. EWarlier he was on ground surrounded by worthy students and scientists, but now he is in touch with only sycophants who misguide him with such things bringing dent to his reputation.
Re: Re: CSIR DG is a Comedy King
by obama on Dec 23, 2009 12:25 PM
Take risk. Risk means you would loose something if you fail. Samir has nothing to lose if he fails. He is only tring to take funds from government so that he can retire somewhere with a research lab, like CNRrao. May be he is a good-average scientist. He should have continued as scientist. Like indian patent office (IAS officer is heading), India should have some good administrator at the CSIR DG position. Samir has become neither scientist nor a administrator. We lost one good-average scientist. It is a fact that he loves getting surrounded by sycophants than good students and scientists. It was/is his choice. Anyway, he is carreer is over. At the end of anyone' career people carry memories than dreams and visions. And he need people with whom he shares his past deeds and achievements etc. Nothing left for him for the future. We can understand. Bring someone from a industry as DG and not from national labs or from academics for a change.
Re: Re: Re: CSIR DG is a Comedy King
by Niraj Prasad on Dec 23, 2009 03:32 PM
@muruganswamy
you have no idea who SKB is ? he is a social climber who wants to enhance his reputation by clinging to science not doing science. he is all big words and hot gas. if you have known him personally you will doubt too about his true scientific knowledge.
I am doubtful whether he even understands the 2nd law of thermodynamics. forget any hi-fi scientific research. he is a politician who knows how to suck blood like a parasite. at least that is what he has become in the last 10 years. some say he was a good scientist in the begining ... though i have grave doubts about whether he even knows the meaning of science ... this only proves that he is not worthy of any scientific post as of now.
i am telling you ... just wait before this 'discovery' is exposed as fake or totally somebody else's effort without absolutely any input from SKB.
Re: Re: Re: Re: CSIR DG is a Comedy King
by Murli Devi on Dec 24, 2009 10:16 AM
What Murugan has said I agree with that. Niraj Prasad and Obama kind of people here look like the anti-Brahmachari lobby people, which exist in large even at some labs at CSIR, like CCMB(well known fact) or IISC guys or DBT or JNU associated guys. You will not hear even a single good thing from these guys about Brahmachari. The reason is that Brahmachari rose at very young age against their wishes. No bloody here can cross my statement here that the Indian science's biggest frauds are sitting in JNU and IISc, who weave nexus and mafia all over India be it in issuing grant through DBT or selecting candidates on new post for some institute. Example is IISER: All ISER have committees guided by people from IISc or JNU. They set personal scores there and remove well qualified candidates and put their candidates instead. The same they do in giving grants in DBT, which runs under to obilize only the people associated with it! The IISc guys eat all country money but what they give? curse to Indian science! The publication record of IGIB during SKB tenure and after that is better than IISc and JNU. JNU and IISc guys ahve no reply for this. They are up against and together against Brahmachari and try to find any opportunity to attack over him because he is the only person who spoiled their world, monopoly and nexus! They are jealous of him. Yes this Human Genome sequencing stuff has been immature thing/blunder on the part of Brahmachari but he contribution to Indian science is huge.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CSIR DG is a Comedy King
by obama on Dec 24, 2009 11:15 AM
@Murali/Devi... Hmmm, interesting! you seemed to be little restless. I could see that after seeing multiple messages of the same. We are NOT against Samir, what we are writing here is just plain facts. We do not question his "indian standard science". We are not jealous, but when an un-deserved person sits at the top position, noone can escape from public comments. IISc is a brand. And your comments about IISc is acceptable. Because IISc itself help other institutions to grow with specialization. IISc is not a single institute,it is institute of institutes. Thats why, we have specialised institutes. And there is no wonder if those specialised institutes excel better than IISc in the specified areas. Atleast IISc has set a target for those institutes to excel better than IISc. Of course, your statements on mafia, IISc becoming lower standards may be true. Int(ME) is gone, which was IISc' jewel...lots of undeserved local people are getting employed. We can not help it in these days of regionalism and other factors. Anyway, the bottomline is, Samir is a comedy king, which he himself know about it. Or may be we deserve only him as our DG. We have very high tolerance level, after all. isnt it. IF there are any good thing about Samil, certainly you will hear from us. dont worry. but there is nothing much for a person of DG status.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CSIR DG is a Comedy King
by Murli Devi on Dec 24, 2009 12:08 PM
Come on Obama! Don't make jokes like IISc builds other institutes! It is in fact breaking other institutes, engulfing others money, demoralizing talented guys. If they are builders of insttutions..what institutes they have built in most needy states like Bihar, Jharkhand, MP, Chattisgarh??? They dont even have visited once there!!! Most of its so called big names from G Padmanabhan to Vijayan are agents of a wel known lobby, cordoned by some big shots from ICMR and DBT. They install some pimpy-professor as a head in JNU, who in turn gets entry into various committees of country and decides fate of many young scientists! They all together become a hard core dirty nexus force to demolish whoever gets up against their world and authority. They send fix and install only their people, build a mutual raising society....which is no less than brothel of science. Their students who dont have even a single paper in PhD become faculties in many Indian Institutes..who in turn are given undue favors from various committees and eat out the country science.
You will find not a single Samir Brahmachari student of that brand, or his dirty nexous ruining the country's science so deep! If I name the names here, you will have no answer..may yours will be one of those listed names! A Comedy King is much better than venomous villains!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CSIR DG is a Comedy King
by Murli Devi on Dec 24, 2009 12:00 PM
Come on Obama! Don't make jokes like IISc builds other institutes! It is in fact breaking other institutes, engulfing others money, demoralizing talented guys. If they are builders of insttutions..what institutes they have built in most needy states like Bihar, Jharkhand, MP, Chattisgarh??? They dont even have visited once there!!! Most of its so called big names from G Padmanabhan to Vijayan are agents of a wel known lobby, cordoned by some big shots from ICMR and DBT. They install some pimpy-professor as a head in JNU, who in turn gets entry into various committees of country and decides fate of many young scientists! They all together become a hard core dirty nexus force to demolish whoever gets up against their world and authority. They send fix and install only their people, build a mutual raising society....which is no less than brothel of science. Their students who dont have even a single paper in PhD become faculties in many Indian Institutes..who in turn are given undue favors from various committees and eat out the country science.
You will find not a single Samir Brahmachari student of that brand, or his dirty nexous ruining the country's science so deep! If I name the names here, you will have no answer..may yours will be one of those listed names! A Comedy King is much better than venomous villains!
Re: Re: Re: Re: CSIR DG is a Comedy King
by Murli Devi on Dec 24, 2009 10:16 AM
What Murugan has said I agree with that. Niraj Prasad and Obama kind of people here look like the anti-Brahmachari lobby people, which exist in large even at some labs at CSIR, like CCMB(well known fact) or IISC guys or DBT or JNU associated guys. You will not hear even a single good thing from these guys about Brahmachari. The reason is that Brahmachari rose at very young age against their wishes. No bloody here can cross my statement here that the Indian science's biggest frauds are sitting in JNU and IISc, who weave nexus and mafia all over India be it in issuing grant through DBT or selecting candidates on new post for some institute. Example is IISER: All ISER have committees guided by people from IISc or JNU. They set personal scores there and remove well qualified candidates and put their candidates instead. The same they do in giving grants in DBT, which runs under to obilize only the people associated with it! The IISc guys eat all country money but what they give? curse to Indian science! The publication record of IGIB during SKB tenure and after that is better than IISc and JNU. JNU and IISc guys ahve no reply for this. They are up against and together against Brahmachari and try to find any opportunity to attack over him because he is the only person who spoiled their world, monopoly and nexus! They are jealous of him. Yes this Human Genome sequencing stuff has been immature thing/blunder on the part of Brahmachari but he contribution to Indian science is huge.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CSIR DG is a Comedy King
by obama on Dec 24, 2009 02:00 PM
@muralidevi, hmmm, i enjoy reading your comments. the issue is dragging to something else. what i meant by institute of institues for IISc is that IISc has well known departments not just in life sciences but also in other physical sciences and various engineering disciplines. Each department in iisc is like an institute. so iisc, put together an institute of institutes. coming back to other points on IISc, from you i do not want to disagree with you. but also i do see an observation that those who could not get admission into iisc become haters of iisc as well. i am not referring to you. My point of discussion here is only on Samir, and it is my view. everyone has his own freedom to express. When you become a public figure you can not escape from such comments. For that matter, not only Samir, even you can see the people in the OSDD network, most of them are interested only in collecting money from government. They can not produce anything useful. Long back, Vidyasagar collected several crores saying that he will build a wonderful software platform for life sciences. Noone want to use it now even if it given free. So now it is Samir' turn. And tomorrow someoneelse will join this legue. We can not stop it. Only we can comment it. And we will see some blind followers like you as well. hmm :)
The DG CSIR is being misguided by his juniors at IGIB. Anyone who has little awareness of science would only laugh on such claims. India stands nowhere the real human genome sequencing which was achieved 10 years back by five nation first time and together. What these Scientists at IGIB have done is nothing but reinventing the wheel. Since they have got large funds they are wasting the money. ANyone having deep sequencer can do the same anywhere in the world..even in Sudan. One can understand the thing with the fact that this work has got no publication at all! These scientists are fake scientists hungry for limelieght and quick fame and zero in quality. They are thriving under nexus.
IGIB is doing some real good jobs like work over Tuberculosis, SNP and genomics which need to be highlighted instead of these news of fake science. Tailor drugs cant be developed by knowing single sequence but for that you need every sequence and SNP information alognwith many broad information. Samir Brahmachari is a great scientist, but such claims and hooplas just make him cheap.
This type of articles get published and become talk of the town or matter of television discussion/debate. But far away to be implemented for the benefit of common people.
We use tax payers money to train ppl in IIT /IIM ...99.99 % of who never work for India , instead join and oil whitemansnuts ...shear WASTE of GOI fund...DIVERT the fund to the deserving guys who work for the country.
We use tax payers money to train ppl in IIT /IIM ...99.99 % of who never work for India , instead join and oil whitemansnuts ...shear WASTE of GOI fund...DIVERT the fund to the deserving guys who work for the country.
Re: OSDD
by obama on Dec 23, 2009 12:46 AM
OSDD was meant to be open source drug discovery. but noone in the network knows drug discovery. most of them from academics sitting infront of computers rotate molecules and they claim they are structural biologies. This is what we call as open source drug discovery. hehehe, good joke, rite.
