Pepl are coming with saying Mumbai is devpt by gujaratis, marwaries & rest... If they are able to devpt one city then why they don't devpt Ahmedabad, jaipur?????
It's just the FOG of words that created by people, Nobody decorate other's home by own money. That's Maharastrian's only who devpt the mumbai, maharastra....
My dear u seem to be completely influenced by Raj Thakeray. He is not solving any problem but giving a lot of air to petty things which are common everywhere, and the stance he is taking will only hurt the maharashtrians. Now ur points one by one: 1. The discussion about development of the states has been done in the media. It is also done at the time of each 5 yr plan. It has been done right since the 5 yr plan system has been adopted. The point I have mentioned everywhere is that Govt don’t bring about development. Bombay –Pune are very developed -1. Thanks to the British 2. Thanks to TATA’s. 3. Other businessmen. Media should also think about when Bombay-Pune has been the beneficiary of investment for so long, y hasn’t the Maharashtra govt brought about development in the other areas of Maharashtra. Marathwada, Vidarbha, all areas on the border are pretty un-developed/ under developed. This is causing migration from these areas to Bombay. Out of total migration to Bombay about 45 lacs have migrated from other parts of Maharashtra. Y is the hue & cry being raised only about UP/Biharis, Y not about the migration from within Maharashtra. And who is a local in Bombay, except the local fisher folks. Rest everyone have mass migrated from different regions of Maharashtra/Goa/Kerala/Karnataka/Gujarat etc. Are u calling them locals? If they are locals so is every citizen of the country. 2. Increasing population. India is the most fecund country in the world. P
Re: Reply to Indian
by K T on Jun 01, 2009 08:01 PM
Here are lot's of people coming with theory of Gujarati, Marawari, Bitish are devpt the mumbai, maharashtra... If these people are able to devpt any citi then why they did't devpt the ahmedabad, jaipur?????
Nobody's going to decorate neibhours hous by own money. It's Maharastriance only who developed & keep remain in developing state.
Re: Reply to Indian
by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:47 AM
People from Europe/Japan are adopting Indian children. Reason for population growth- Indian family system. Why is it high- It is high amongst all poorer sections all over the country. Is it growing at the same rate- No it is growing at a much slower rate. Can we control it like the Chinese do? No Sanjay Gandhi tried it with disastrous consequences. But will it continue to grow at the same rate- No, the govt is taking several steps to curb high growth & people all over are slowly responding. Are there only negative effects of high population growth- No, we are the second largest developing economy after the Chinese. That is why capital is attracted to both China & India. Is infrastructure crumbling? I don’t think so, it is the same as it was even 30 yrs ago. Several old buildings just come down collapsing. If the Govt is so efficient still it can do nothing about it & in spite of being the richest municipality in the country. Where does a large amt of this money go? In corrupt politicians pockets, whose main job is to inflame passions and play vote bank politics, talk about un-employed youth but themselves sit on huge piles of wealth & move about in jet set flights. BMC can’t even solve a simple problem of water logging during the rainy season, but makes promises every year. It has developed the BKC complex but water also gets water logged there. As I have said earlier also, anyone who out migrates from his native place, contributes to the economy wherever he is livi
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:48 AM
Poor laborers will adjust just about anywhere without asking even the basic amenities in return. Has the govt provided them any infrastructure in spite of being the richest municipality in the country? And migration (including mass migration of maharashtrians) has been going on in Bombay even when it was a bi-lingual state, i.e before formation of Maharashtra. Why didn’t the BMC solve the problem say 30 yrs ago. Dharavi has been there since ages. In my opinion migration is not as much a problem as it is made out to be. The BMC gets earns adequate income to solve any such thing. If anything the problem is that of town planning, it is caused by a linear geographical structure of Bombay limiting the capacity of expansion. This problem can be solved by distributing the office & residential complexes all over Bombay / New Bombay in alternate areas. Remember progress happens due to the efforts put in by the general public, when the efforts are concentrated in a particular area, that area develops more. America is a migrant country & the strongest in the world. Labor moving out of the city will harm the locals more than anyone else. Strength of a bigger group is more than a smaller group. Identify yourself with a bigger group rather than a smaller group.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:49 AM
3. Who r the local people? The fisher folks. The city is no longer like a small village for them. It has developed far beyond their imagination and they must be quite happy about it. So who are remaining- other people who came to the city say 40 or 50 yrs ago. If they r also outsiders how can u call them local. And most of them have mass migrated from various areas of the country. And r they losing from further migration- No. If a maharashtrian has set up a small eatery shop, everyone comes & gives business to him, irrespective of the region from where he hails. When the Bombay economy is booming everyone benefits without exception.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:49 AM
4. Job opportunities in UP/Bihar- Please read my previous comments also. Who creates job opportunities? Is it the local maharashtrians? No- It is the private enterprises. Why are there pvt entps in Bombay-Pune, because of Bombay’s status as the financial capital of the country. Investment kept coming & jobs were created. Did the Maharashtra govt create these jobs? No. When the state govt is so efficient, y does it have the highest budget deficit in the country, in spite of having the richest municipality & the maxm investment? So r the jobs being taken up by UP/Bihari wallas? No- they r mostly self employed in the informal sector. Has anyone stopped the local youth from getting employed in the informal sector? No, no one can or will stop. Then what is the controversy about jobs? It is said that UP/Biharis are getting more central govt jobs. If that is so, then maharashtrian youth have to compete & get them, and as I pointed out to Vijapurkar’s earlier article, the people from Vidarbha are getting into these jobs? So how come the people from backward areas all over the country are getting into govt jobs? Because they work hard. People from Bombay-Pune have the least amount of unemployment- Y- because lot of pvt cos r located here, & they prefer to get locally employed rather than be transferred to any other area-which can happen in a central govt job.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:50 AM
5. It is a theoretical question. Migration mainly happens on account of demand & supply forces of economics & a host of sundry reasons. Economic compulsion forces everyone to migrate. The no 1 & 2 states in terms of migration are- Bengal & Kerala. Migration, for various reasons has been going on in the country since time immemorial. Maharashtra was formed by large scale migrations from north. Shivaji Maharaj’s ancestors migrated to Mudhol in Karnataka & then to Satara. Rani ki Jhansi, Tatya Tope etc migrated to the north. Jhasi is in UP now. Many migrated to Karnataka in hordes when plague broke out in southern Maharashtra in the 1930-40’s. Large no of maharashtrians live all over the country in all the states. The CM of Rajasthan is a Maharashtrian. In Jamshedpur, there is a ‘Jamshedpur Marathi Association’.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:54 AM
My request to you is: Grow up Don’t identify yourself as a local person. Identify yourself with the whole country. The diversity we see is only on the surface, essentially we r the same from one corner to another. Live in various parts of the country; do not be afraid of going anywhere in the country. Appreciate the diversity. Do not be swayed by emotions. Raj Thakeray is fooling marathi youth. He has about 500 crores of wealth. He is least interested in any one’s welfare except his own. Politicians r corrupt everywhere, no point in listening to them. There is no real problem, except that which is deliberately sought to be created.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:53 AM
13. See previous replies 14. U r wrong here. Punjabi & Haryanvi farmers are fighting over Bihari/ eastern UP laborers to be employed on their farms. Large no of eastern UP/Bihari laborers work all over Punjab. They r very much in demand and the demand for them emanates right from Bombay/ Madras/Calcutta/Ahmedabad/ J&K (yes)/New Delhi. In fact from all over India. Then u will say, they r undercutting the local laborers. Wrong- It is pure economics of demand & supply. If the local laborers can go & work in other places, then others also have similar rights. Agricultural laborers from Beed/Osamanbad (backward districts) go & work all over Karnataka & TN during the sugar cutting season, & they migrate en masse.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:51 AM
8. See my previous reply- Just as Shiv Sena/MNS wants to create a political base in other states. 9. Hindi/English media not only highlights the issue but the English media even analyses it dispassionately. How does the marathi media highlight the issue? Extremely biased & one sided.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:50 AM
6. The statement is that of BSP supremo Mayawati’s party. She intends to say that she will form an alliance with the backward caste people in Maharashtra & contest for elections. Such alliances amongst political parties are common everywhere. Does Shiv Sena not have branches in the northern states. Do u know Shiv Sena is very active in Belgaum, on the marathi-kannada issue. It also has a branch in Kerala. India is a free country; any party is free to contest elections anywhere in the country. I wonder what happened to MNS branch in UP. During the last year he had addressed the UP branch members in Hindi.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:52 AM
11. GOI is aware of this and has built up high barbed wires across the Bengal borders. It needs to be made manned continuously. I suggest that the barbed wires should be electrified, however it is a sensitive issue and a solution will have to come along the diplomatic channels. We have such a long international boundary that barbed wires cannot be put up everywhere, and the GOI does not support the Army as much as it should.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:51 AM
7. At the time of independence the national leaders who won us freedom from britishers were not in favor of formation of states on language basis. Their hands were forced by maharashtra leaders for formation of the state of maharashtra, from the earlier Bombay state, which had dominion over a large portion, consisting of Maharashtra, Gujarat & Northern Karnataka. Southern Karnataka was under the control of the state of Madras. Their worst fears are coming true now. I am in favor of restoring the status quo ante or formation of smaller states formed on geographical basis purely for administrative convenience.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:51 AM
10. Issue was also there when it happened. The news was all over media. It is plain economic forces of demand & supply which cause a confrontation. The solution lies in economic development, which in turn comes from capital. Capital is still flowing mainly to the metros, when other 2nd & 3rd tier cities develop, it will also flow there. Our country which was invaded by several civilizations over the years, was looted the most by the Britishers (particularly the gangetic plain), when we won independence, the govt was considered mai-baap. Govt was expected to ensure development of all the states. Instead the economy reached its nadir in 1991. We have experienced a boom since then, when external capital was invited, but with a condition that our labor can go & work in their countries. They didn’t know that labor movement in the country itself is supposed to be restricted. We did not ask them whether they were conversant with one local language or more. Ex Siemens, Sony, LG, Daewoo,Samsung, Ford, GM, Huawei Technologies, Oracle, Microsoft, etc & a host of others, who operate on a small scale.
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by Jayesh on Jan 17, 2009 09:52 AM
12. Correct- Ask the state govt to give jobs to the local youth. Does its politicians only think of making money and opening schools/ engineering/ medical colleges and giving seats to North Indian students. If in spite of being the largest beneficiary of Bombay’s status of being the financial capital of the country, it can’t solve local problems, then it is a very inefficient govt. If state govt is so good, unemployment should not exist in the state? Is it hiding its failures by bashing up students when they come to appear for central govt exams, where after selection u can be posted anywhere in the country, where u cannot speak your local language. And if a person is working in an MNC, he can be selected from anywhere in the country. He/She can be asked to report anywhere in India for duty.
1.why media donot talk about Development of Up/Bihar.only maharashtra violence finds the place in channels.
2.Increasing Population and crumbling infrastructure of Mumbai.
3.Where local poeple shud go?
4.Job opportunities in UP/Bihar
5.What if 40 lacs from maharashtra migrate to patna??????
6."UP to jhaki hai ab maharashtra baki hai". what does this mean?why these leaders donot show their might in soutjern state?
7.why "Desh bacaho" and like rallies held in mumbai?why not in other southern state?
8.Why up/bihar leaders wants to create political base in mumbai????
9.Why no hindi/english media highlights these issues???? Dont u have guts to question the UP/Bihar leaders?????
10.why there is no issue when bihari poeple are killed in assam/manipur??Is this normal for the leaders and secular media?
11.why nobody talks abt illegal bangladeshis????Does this hurt the "secular" credentials (They r not indians.these illegals r creating havoc in north east)
12.whts wrong if u get jobs in home town/city????
13.why up/bihar leaders is dictating maharashtra???r they hiding their failures?
14.Punjab is aslo against the mass influx of migrants.National integration doses will not help to resolve the issues here too.
15.Nobody has problems when tamilian MPs tender resignation over LTTE.
Violence is not answer to anything but that does not negate the core issues.The more u hide the issues the more will be the magnitude of the problem
Yes mass migration is a practical problem we have to find out the solution of this problem.like dehli and mumbai one is capital and later is financial capital so its a reality lot of people come their for employment so its a geninue problem government should find out the solution of this problem so that locals should not suffer. But same time you can not support these raj takre ,lalu or mayawati type dirty politicaian.
Re: Development is skewed
by get help on Nov 08, 2008 11:48 AM
Jayesh Agreed there was advantage to Mumbai in particular. However in recent times dont you think so, states like Gujrat,Tamilnadu,Adhrapradesh has also came up as flourishing states. Somthing similar was never seen to UP o BIHAR. I also agree the development is not quick fix and will surely time.However we should first acknolwedge the fact that there is indeed a problem and should work on resolving it.
Re: Development is skewed
by Jayesh on Nov 10, 2008 09:53 AM
Just as there is a vicious circle of poverty, there is a circle of wealth, i.e wealth creates more wealth. Wealth increases in concentric circles. If the govt was the major factor in causing development we would not have a demand for separate states like Vidarbha Telangana etc. We would not have naxal activities in AP, North Karnataka, some parts of TN & Kerala etc. As I said earlier India has really started developing after 1991, sleepy towns like Hyderabad & Bangalore have come on the financial map. Migration is not as much a problem as has been blown out of proportion. The city has expanded to several suburbs, with different municipalities governing different areas. When people r living nearly 50-60 kms away from the main city, how can the infrastructure in the main city be burdened.
