TATA'sNano advertising budget is Over. Hence the delay!! They "invested" in media (like the reporter of the above article) & got ample publicityat all verticles.The actual model is yet to be rolled out of the factory!!
I think Tata's advertising budget for Nano is now diverted to Taj renovation. Later on when Govt. / insurance co. reimburse it, that amount would be used for Nano. May be till that time, Nano launch will delay
Re: Re NANO
by bandu bondu on Dec 16, 2008 01:17 PM
then why bengal lagging ??? why talented bengali woking for other state nt 4 u??? How a party can 35yrs in Power without any development??? Beglais are fool that wy. Mamta is a politicas who never think 4 bengal . and ur CM has lots of igo. so i will not suprised if Bengal would bihar one day./
Re: Re: Re NANO
by Debasis Basu on Dec 16, 2008 01:57 PM
BTW - There are worse states, CMs and politicians than what you find you Bengal. Take Maharashtra - Vilas Deshmukh, Rane, Sharad Pawar and Raj Thakeray. Just because there is prosperity in Mumbai does not mean that it is any better off. So please dont be a Bengali hater. We surely are not proud og Mamta but there are other M's in the country - Medha, Mayawati.
Re: Re: Re NANO
by TatyaPongya on Dec 16, 2008 12:50 PM
But surely he hit the bull's eye. Tata must be busy in the Taj renovation ashe canlater claimthe "amount" from Govt. and Insurance Cos. Later on that amount wouldbe spent for Nano.Definitely, will take time.
Re: Delay is of 8 months
by No BigBoss on Dec 16, 2008 12:34 PM
No .. not less than 1.5 lakhs .. talk about price on the road not basic one .. include all taxes also - what a user has to pay.
Tata is also not an angel .. even they are making us fool .. they took all the priase in the media and now they are showing their true colors.
Re: Re: Delay is of 8 months
by dineshpai pai on Dec 16, 2008 12:38 PM
Yes after 1 year you have shell out money for repairs and maintainance Dont go for It, You can see the present condition of their model
Withdrwing from Singur was nothing but a blunder business proposition by TATA when Gov of West Bengal extended full support in terms of giving all kind of measures including 200 cr tax free loan .More over Singur factory was almost completed and just productions to start with in 3 /4 months .I donot know what suddenly TATA changed their mind ,may be Gujarat might have lured with some kind of financial relief or some behind the scene activity linked to agitations by TMC ,role of other business rivals not to allow NANO to start early .But I can say TATA has done a blunder not to start NANO from Singur by some whimsical,behind the scene activities kind of decissions .West Bengal is not plagued by terrorists activities like Maharastra and others states .
Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by bandu bondu on Dec 16, 2008 01:11 PM
Moumita, 1st u people kick CPIM. then see the magic. How a party stiil in power of 35yrs long without doing nothing for common men??? U politicins are most degirous for iNDIA. MAMATA , she is ugly. BB has fulll of Igo. They must to visit Guj/Haryana/etc.see the development. Calacutta is metro,but u seee other metros .U bengalis should thin boradlly.not stuck u r mind in bengal
Re: Blunder by TATA
by Sudip Bhattacharya on Dec 16, 2008 12:25 PM
Moumita, You are absolutely correct. The reasons for TATA's decision, as I understand are: 1. Not a team decision but a emotional decision by and individual. An ego problem. When the factory was so near completion, a talk between TATA and Mamata would had have solved the issue through some assurance. Mamata in fact did not have an escape which she closed herself and also by CPI(M) by not allowing her to escape
2. TATAs thought BJP will come to power in next LS election and this car can only survive on sops. So with BJP government at the centre a BJP state could have given them all the sops they want. But now after this assembly elections I do not know what are their thoughts.
Anyway an impulsive, emotional and egotistic personal decision seldom pays in business. (Remember Mr Tata saying he wont withdraw even if somebody holda trigger at his temple..these are not business statements but ego trips. Also reminding of TATAs open letter in newspapers, He wanted West Bengal people to respond. Di he keep his website ready to accept the feedbacks. No, it is not a case) Finally good that Nano did not come up. With the present global scenario, I doubt its success. Better they pulled out early. At least they can blame Mamata! Moreover, if business sense prevails, someone else would surely invest.
Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by bandu bondu on Dec 16, 2008 01:14 PM
Sudip, Take a print out of this Dis. and send to ur CM.bengal has a talent but not utilized 4 bengal. cuz of ur stupid politics. u shoukld compare with Blore/Hyd/Delhi/Haryana etc not with Bihar/Assam etc
Re: Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by Tushar Ray on Dec 16, 2008 01:45 PM
Hello Bandu Bondu, I've been following your posts, your views are acceptable, but my god your spelling & sentence construction is a disaster. Are you working in I.T. sector? 'Cos I.T. guys have a tendency to spell like you do
Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by abboral boral on Dec 16, 2008 01:54 PM
I fully support Sudip and his views.Before commenting against such a thoughtfull ,reasonable views expressed by Moumita and Sudip and with out any kind of biased fellow thinking ,without accusing CPM,TMC,Bengal,Bengalis,One should not forget the present role of MNS acitivities ,Naxal problems in Karnataka,Maharastra ,Bengal is a partly peacefull state .The best part of investing Bengal are two most stategic places in Eastern India like Nandigram and Singur which are near to most developed Port Kolkata and Haldia in entire South East Asia for business point of view to entire South East Asian countries,Australia,North and South Ameriaca,China are very cost saving due to near proxmity and lower transportations cost .One should understand why L.N.Mittal,Posco,Jindal are all quing up to start investing in Eastern Zone due to this cost factor only .Remember British ruled entire world from Calcutta for nearly 200 years successfully and factor was cost only .TATA has done a really blunder being one of the most respected Business house in India last 100 years .Blame must go to Ratan Tata and his un impressive ,vested interest Management Team .I request anybody want to counter my logic ,pl dont use any dirty words but some logical words which is welcome
Re: Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by sumit m on Dec 16, 2008 02:31 PM
Mr. Boral, If Ratan Tata decided to move out of Singur due to the terrible situation which was created there, it is a smart business move. No business house can wait forever for a solution to an impasse created for mere votebank politics. That they did not succumb to the pressure tactics employed by all political parties is a good thing. The WB Govt. made an idiotic move by forcibly acquiring land and TMC made an equally dumb move by assaulting the factory workers and guards. Net result is that we have lost out on an opportunity to industrialise the state. What the British did a century or two back is not relevant in today's context. Historically speaking, Magadh used to be the power centre of India. Where is it now? Does it make sense to operate out of Magadh? Is Pataliputra still relevant in todays context? No. It isn't. Ratan Tata heeded the advise of sane people who told him that WB is an unviable proposition for conducting business because of the scarcity mentality of the politicians in Bengal. As a state, WB has fallen from grace due to over politisation of everything and militant trade unionism. Strangely, educated people like you are still living under the impression that everything is alright. I shudder at the thought of having to view the assembly after the next election. If we get CPM back in power, TMC will destroy all attempts to improve business conditions. If we get TMC in power, then the destruction will be even faster!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by abboral boral on Dec 16, 2008 02:42 PM
I wellcome ur views Mr. Sumit m .Let us see what transpire after who come to power .Ur views only indicating WB and bengalis are all become dead and all other states are vibrating with business activities .There is no state like WB and the people in that state .You are I think missing one of the business decission is cost cutting ,forget about ur history so am I but world top business house are all quing up at Eastern India only due to Two ports are availble in that dead state .This is my point only .If can do businees ,job under millitant activities ,corruptions of highest point in haryana,Maharastra ,Delhi then u can also do the same in WB as well .
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by sumit m on Dec 16, 2008 03:37 PM
Mr. Boral, Much as i would love to indulge in a fanciful debate on cost of vegetables, the data you carry is grossly incorrect. I think you need to review your source of information. Having worked for long in both Delhi and Kolkata, i am fully aware of the cost of living of both cities. Delhi is definitely more expensive than Kolkata, but not as high as 3 times or anywhere near it. Mumbai may be a different ball game altogether, though. And if you are staying in Delhi and paying that kind of money for vegetables, i suggest you change your place of purchase. Abundance of agricultural products doesn't add employment to the educated. The educated need to get jobs, for which we need industries and that is precisely where WB is lagging behind. What is the use of lower prices, if you don't have the money to buy them?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by sumit m on Dec 16, 2008 02:52 PM
Mr. Boral, I have not stated that all other states are doing better. I have commented on the situation in WB only. You are right, there are 2 ports in East which can be used for commercial activity and hence some business houses are interested in setting up industries here. However, the names you have mentioned earlier are facign stiff resistance from politicians and their "inspired" followers. politicians are using the latform for their personal gains and do not care about the development of the state. WB is a shadow of its past and will continue to be so unless we have politicians who think beyond their personal gains and votebank. Speaking of corruption, WB is ranked 7th in the Corruption Index amongst all Indian states. Which means that we have corrupt governance with no industrial presence! Extrapolating this data to review a industrialised WB, one can safely say that we will rank No. 1 in corruption if the state would actually get industrialised. Again, let's not compare states. Limit yourself to WB only and tell me, apart from a few BPOs and Software companies, what employment has been generated in the past decade?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by abboral boral on Dec 16, 2008 03:30 PM
Mr.Sumit .You know in this finacial crisis only the people of West Bengal will survive and all will lost either jobs or doing business will be unviable .God forbid India will overcome this situation .70 % population of WB depend on Agriculture and agro based business due to viable land reform projests took by WB which is the only success story of WB last say 40 years .There are abandants of agriculturals products (u go to any market Vegitable price ,rice ,staple foods cost almost 1 / 3 rd of the cost in DELHI
Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by True Indian on Dec 16, 2008 12:36 PM
tata is the only name who is souveneiring India. Beyond any doubt, Tata is done a lot for this country,,, much more than all gandhis and nehrus.... come out of that witch mamata's shadow and learn to respect people like ratan tata.
Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by sumit m on Dec 16, 2008 12:31 PM
Sudip, Due to the prevailing business sense, no one is investing in Bengal. Not till after the next assembly elections at least. You seem to have a personal problem with the name Tata. Everytime you find new ways to try and insult Ratan Tata and the Tata group as a whole.
Re: Blunder by TATA
by sumit m on Dec 16, 2008 12:10 PM
Tata's made a business decision in withdrawing from Bengal. The atmosphere was not conducive to conduct business and hence they left. WB may not be plagued by terrorist activities, but Mamata and her circus party are worse than the terrorists!
Re: Blunder by TATA
by bandu bondu on Dec 16, 2008 01:04 PM
Moumita, Are u mad? who did blunder???U know for ur bengal n basded bangali, we who born and bought otside feel shame. CPIM and Trinamul what they did?? CPIM did dalali and MAMATA cash it. ultimately Bengal suffered. From Jayti Basu to BB , Bengal is sufferd. MAMTA has a mental prob and BB has IGO prob. pls stop stike/Bandh . other wise Bengal will be BIHAR soon
Re: Blunder by TATA
by suresh S on Dec 16, 2008 11:35 AM
Sure, Bengal is the friendliest state! TMC beats up employees and contracters and you expect TATAs to continue business there? Buddy, which world are you living in? It was a well thought out decision and a thoroughly deserving one.
Re: Blunder by TATA
by Shyam on Dec 16, 2008 11:37 AM
Why do you think Bongal has no terrorists. CPM is full of terrorists and Momta is alone equal to a million terrorists. Anywhere else in the country is better than best Bongol
Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by bandu bondu on Dec 16, 2008 01:07 PM
yes shyam. CPIM invited B/Deshi to bengal, giv them every legal DOc and so they giv vote to CPIM. Bengal has no gutts otherwise How a party can saty 35yrs without doing any Progress??? MAMTA is a mental patient. she need aids. she must be Rachi for 2-3 yrs. Bengailis shoul active other wise, Day is coig when Bengal would be another BIHAR. All the tallented Bengalis now out side of bengal why?? cuz of Dirty politics.
Re: Re: Blunder by TATA
by sumit m on Dec 16, 2008 12:13 PM
Anywhere else in the country is better you say? I disagree. Businesses like Nano cannot be run in states such as Bihar, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Sikkim, Kerala or even Delhi or Mumbai. The reasons would vary from poor infrastructure to extremely high cost of inputs. Gujarat and Bengal both made sense due to having a fair infrastructure and lower input costs.
Be ready for dumping of imported cars. There are millions of cars left unattended in different ports of USA, Japan and other european countries. There is nobody to buy even with 1 1 free offer. Be ready for dumping of imported cars at very nominal rates somewhere around June,2009. Well this well affect the market of Indian cars and Nano too. I believe very good cars will be available in 2-3 lacs... Just wait.
Re: NANO numerology problem
by Ajay Odedra on Dec 16, 2008 11:24 AM
I believe its RAHU and not SHANI, dear. What do you say. In fact Rahu is in fith house and his Vkra drishti is on Budha which is forth house. Do HAVANS, Ratanbhai.. Are you listening??? Ha ha
Re: Re: NANO numerology problem
by Balakrishnan Ponneri on Dec 16, 2008 11:39 AM
Is it Rahul - because Rahul Mahajan, Rahul Dravid and Rahul Gandhi all have "Rahu"l in their name and their fame: 1st one already diminished; 2nd one is getting nearer to be diminished, the 3rd one may take place after May 2009. More one more "Rahu"l Bajaj he has already have family problem - with his brother. Is there any more "Rahu"l in public please remind me also if any knows them other than their friends.
