If they are getting good price, should the issue be as big as right now ?
2) Is it possible to have trade system by group of village Vs. buyer & post tender per farmer at which he is willing to sell. If not nandigram Then Tata can go to other District!
WE should allow only wasteland,barren land and deserts for developing townships for big industry set up.Israel has done this.Entire middle east has similar terrain .So why agroicuture land for industry.We must stop shopping malls,cinema halls,self finaced institutions and industry being set up on fertile land and that too near by cities. But first we have to define what is wasteland and barren land as the corrupt pol;itcians and babus wil distort it and pass fertile land for wasteland.All the State governments should identitfy and make land bank in country which is agrecultural and wasteland separately and release it for public scrutiny and objections. Politcians and sarkari clerks like IAS,IPS and IRS should stop takingliberty and being under wrong notion that once appointed they have absolute self right to decide on behalf of people.This is not democracy and this is not what constitution means.They have to refer important issues to publi and trake into account objections and suggestion.No one has absolute power in democratic system.It is time they start understanding it and start becoming accountable and honest or face consequences in near future.
RE:Wasteland and commerce
by Bete Noire on Mar 25, 2007 09:06 AM
professor .. since most of the land in bengal is fertile so according to your reasoning bengal has lost its right to get industrialized ?? well i have a better plan that you may feel good about .. what about setting up industries on the bay of bengal ?? oops i almost forgot about the rights of fishermen folkes !! sorry about that .. by the way setting up of shopping malls are an indicative of an wholesome increase in the buying capacity of the city middle class .. now i understand why you dislike it so much !!!
RE:Wasteland and commerce
by Mandara on Jan 22, 2008 10:58 AM
And i LOVE your name! bete noire! a noun describing a persn who views with paritcular dislike. interesting. which probably explains your pessimestic views on the nandigram issue.
RE:Wasteland and commerce
by vishaka on Mar 26, 2007 02:19 PM
and who r u betenoire ? u know something about fertile or wasteland ? bengal has wasteland tracts . even u wont be able to buy from big shopping malls set up by foreigners .
Communists are most hypocrite and corrupt party in the world.They have no ideology and no ethics.Keeping people poor,do rampant corruption and talking falsehood about egalitarian society are their hallmark.Every where in world they have failed.They are the people to murder people to keep their control on power.That is how they have survived for so long time in W Bengal.ONly they are little exposed presently.There are more skeletons in their cupboard. It is time people throw them out completely form India. As regards the acquisition of Agricutural land,I am totally against it as Indian does not have surpulus land at all and converting fertile land fopr commerce is big crime.It will destroy our grass root economy and do more damage than British and Muslim invaders did.
RE:West bengal land acquisitions
by vishaka on Mar 26, 2007 02:22 PM
u r right . if grass root economy is destroyed then india will be at loss and this is not understood by many people who have not done anything for this country.
RE:West bengal land acquisitions
by Binay Biswas on Mar 25, 2007 09:57 AM
its the problem of bengal people. please do good fast for the state--and do not look whether a left or right is doing.good work come from good people. communist to changes--if not communism. why can not you accept the good changes? again all of you want to go back 30 years back by bringing another slwath leaders in the chair. they will sit idle to remain on the chair. as least they should do something--agitation and removal.
The way is to proppagate those persons who are doing good. Otherwise the same point will revolve.
RE:West bengal land acquisitions
by Bete Noire on Mar 25, 2007 10:37 AM
hey binay .. why dont u understand that is what the these "well wishers" want ..a stagnant economy, zero progress and no jobs .. they are like limbs which have contracted gangrene .. and need to be hacked off from the body for survival ...
RE:RE:West bengal land acquisitions
by on Jan 22, 2008 09:41 AM
Bete Noire, What you don't realise is that through your thich headed skull, there is probably a solid reason as to why the farmers aren't willing to let go of such land! they lose thier livelihood. West bengal has either high salinity soil, or nice aluminuim loams. Nandigram though has had reduced soil fertility, it is capable of producing crops and have a reasonable harvest. you realise that if an SEZ is set up there you will have your prices of the vegetables you buy everyday to rise. And more and more farmers hanging themselves. india is a democratic country. and it looks out to have zero income difference between all classes not zero progress. So i suggest you keep your fartassed mouth shut. think before you speak. mandy 17 bangalore
RE:West bengal land acquisitions
by prabirbaran sarkar on Mar 25, 2007 11:05 AM
In 30 years how many industries have come up under this state govt and how many citizens of this state have been given employment? How many industries have been closed in last 30 years and how many persons became unemployed? Let the govt publish a white paper in this regard. Then only we can have the idea of govt's indust- rialisation policy. Furder how many goverment's industries are running in profit in West Bengal? Industriliasation do not mean acquire good agriculture land and hand over to Tata , Salim groups. P.B.S
RE:West bengal land acquisitions
by Binay Biswas on Mar 25, 2007 12:57 PM
There is no time to look back. Many things happen. If we start calculating all those, the future will go calculating just to bring another future of blindness.Its time to act and to grab whatever opportunity is coming. It better to catch the immediate next train to redah the destination than to think why did I miss that train. All people who want this must get the support of Bengal people, otherwise stagnant future will continue.Our Back is alreday touched the wall.
RE:West bengal land acquisitions
by prabirbaran sarkar on Mar 25, 2007 08:29 PM
People should know govt's policies in all respect to avoid confusions created and a turmoil situation developed now. This is no good for any development. P.B.S
RE:West bengal land acquisitions
by Bete Noire on Mar 25, 2007 08:54 AM
there you go professor.. communists may be bad but communal's like you are no better ... they divde on the basis of class and you do it on the basis of religion .. with the same objective .. to rule ...
RE:West bengal land acquisitions
by col gk agarwal on Apr 05, 2007 04:44 PM
where the religion has come in prof. remarks? if u dont want to see truth, leave it but truth is communists in bengal has destryed the state and shri budhdab has excepted the fact.
Industrialization is necessary but not at the expense of forest land or agricultural land. state govt. has done the right thing after withdrawing from initial wrong decision. Now they need to ask TATA to take wasteland , as industry doesn't need prime agricultural land. People should oppose SEZ if it is on agricultural land or on forest land. One industry should not destroy other.
RE:Report is factful.
by S on Mar 25, 2007 04:51 AM
Who is Kanika Dutta? What are her credentials? Is she a CPM crony? Doesn't she understand that there is barely little talk of industrialization in these projects...it is actually real estate development. And CPIM is going for the cut money and middleman projects. Even for Tata's shop, only 30% will be used for factory and rest 70% will be used for real estate development. The so called Salim project is nothing but humongous real estate inititiate that will generate a lot of slush money but very little permanent jobs.
RE:Report is factful.
by Binay Biswas on Mar 25, 2007 09:50 AM
hey great man--what type of development you do want? no shopping mall as it is luxary.no housing as it is nothing but cash money. no road development as it needs land and foreign investment.no manufacturing industry as they pretend to be manufacturing but actually not. no sponge iron as it emits smokes. No IT as it takes land in city and gives jobs to educated youths only. So what type of development does bengal want? Actually the people think that they are the best and best developed--thats why they do not want anything. They love to swaet while going to office instead of having overhead mass transit system.They love to stay in narrow laned dark appt instead of modern housings. They feel good taking the smell of exhausted fume from preindependent cars instead of bringing CNG in the town.They like broken roads instead of wide smooth road least they reach office early and have to work more. They want thier farmer to be with iron age technologies instead of using modern methods. All these they want as they feel they are the best with all the best ideas.. No one can save them. Only thing they want to grow is the opposing everything. Great.
I like the report and its good thing that the youth have supported the government for industrialization.Hd their not been youth support, the Front would not have been won the election with majority. infact mamata,s irrelivant gimmic has reduced her to secure only one seat in parlamentiary election. new generation knows very well how bad the state's condition will be with the blinfolded mamta's hand. infact other insignificant people are also trying to revive themselves by opposing buddha-instead of giving him hands to find a solution of the problems, if at all there. this only indicates that they arew not a responsible oposition; thats why people are not believing them. this phase will be over soon and i think buddhadeb bhattacharyya needs some time and support.good thing is that his fellows are supporting him. and the intellectuals should not come so behemently. over all, they have more mastery in thierfields than in other.so, before criticizing,they must be a knowledged person in this field than first.otherwise, their analysis will deviate the common people, because they can, by their position(taken as neutral)influence people first. so, they should think a lot before coming to street--just like corporate administration. they should remember that a good politician is more an intellectual and a mater of administration in his field.He is the guru of gurus. He may do mistake, but the other stakeholders of the state has equal resposibility to assis him for development. even i know many of the intellectualls who came on street are so poor in achievent and performance in thier own field that they should not have any tight to protest. its better they should grow themselves first before criticizing others.
Mamta bannerjee should thing overall develoipment first, then only her criticism will bring attention. 1. the north south corridor of bengal is so poor that a patient dies before he reaches to Hospital.Has she ever been raised a question to the NHAI? 2. A farmer can not take his products to sell in the market without breaking his cart and spine because of poor NH 34,; Have the crying opposition dropped a little bit of tear? 3.Calcutta does not have a National Medical Institute like AIIMS(new delhi),PGI(chandigarh),NEIGRIHMS(shillong),NIZAM(hyderabad),Shrichita(kerala),NIMHANS(Bangalore),SGPGI(Lucknow).How bengal will have good doctors and prevent fleeing of patients to South? HAVE Ms.Banerjee ever have thot this for the poor? 4. Has she ever given any suggestion to improve the transport in Kolkata and decongest it? 5. We the young generation have onle seen that she is blocking everything and protesting everything.How then we can call her a well=wisher of the State.If buying powe improves(that is posible only by increasing the manufacturing segment--industry), the farmer will automatically get value to their products.Because the demand will rise. Cultivating and cultivating yopu can get price.You just have to throw the on side of the land--as it often happens in Potatao.People have often realized the value of Pepsi food compnay in howrah by getting a good price of potatao.
So, my beloved opoosition, think sincerely and do the needful for the state.Oppoosition does not mean protest and protest.You need to be creative if you want to come to power.You have to show that you too have the ability to develop.Otherwise, the youth are not fool enough to bring you the CM chair. You will remain localized in some pockets only.
Bring a positive viscious cycle(one development brings another--like--manufacturing unit>residential colony>school>shops>roads>farmers get more money> farmers can educate their dependents better>more education>another another indistry> college> hosptal>improve living state etc etc)rather than thinking in a negative way. Cant you see durgapur bring more industry than Krishnagar--just because of this.
We are for the development of the state--please help us instead of backlashing us.If you think industry should be in vested land. Try searching them with your party memeber and talj with the industrialist. You too have enough party member in Bengal.Put them in work and you start discussing with the industrialist and bring them. Then we will decide which one you will be a better CM.Show your potential in this field.You enjoy every facility as a MP, di it right now.Then only we will bring you in the CM's seat.
Give suggestion, have discussuion, be creative.Then only we think you as an alternate candidate.Untill then you need to live with a dream as you CAN NOT BRING THE SAME WAVE WITH THE FARMERS AS THE LEFT FRONT BROUGHT IN LATE 70s. By saying poor famer and crying for the its not possible together.Days have changed--worlds have become closer and we are withy more open eyes than before.
I hope you will understand and sabe Bengal instaed of destroying it.
RE:Catch-22 in West Bengal
by Binay Biswas on Mar 24, 2007 07:07 PM
my dear friends--if u know ms banerjees' mail ID, please forward this mail to her. we must let her know that MPs are for developments too-- instead of opposing. binay
A nationwide credible "minimum" income guaranteed system for every one whether they work or not will bring in "dignity" instead of desperation for the working poor and "inheritance taxes" will stimulate "compassion" instead of collusion.
Such system will prevent all socioeconomic issues in India viz farmer suicides, dowry deaths, child labor, fear, frustration, corruption, bribery, prostitution, terrorism etc.
In USA,UK,Germany,Portugal, Brazil, Belgium etc this system is implemented. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaranteed_minimum_income#Examples_of_implementation http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Inheritance_taxes
RE:Simple solution
by Rohit on Mar 25, 2007 06:48 AM
And HOW EXACTLY do you propose to pay for this system? Do you want HIGHER taxes? Or did you not know that the GOI has continually been running fiscal deficits since Independence?
This is a nice report based on facts and figures. Well written and makes sense. If Bengalis ,who are very intelligent people , wish to prosper then they should look at their State's growth map more realistically than the narrow-minded Trinamul politicians would allow them to do .No one says that Industrilization is better than agriculture.That is a sham gimmick. But if West Bengal should also contribute to the National development significantly , then it is high time the people turned their Vision elsewhere and not be bogged down by traditional methods of producing rice,fish and betel leaves for daily markets! The Tatas 1 Lakh Scheme is merely a tip of the rest of the invisible iceberg that awaits to follow later on. Don't cut the golden goose to feed egg-curry to the selfish politicians who do not care a tuppence for the real sufferings of the people. They will migrate to Kolkutta and keep their flight tickets ready to fly away on vacation daily!Beware of those devils!Think calmly of your own future. That of India too.
