IIMs are wanting autonomy because an MBA has become the most sought after degree in the world and they can afford to charge high fee.. Can the sociology/economics departments in Mumbai or Allahabad University be bold enough to demand autonomy? No, because their courses aren't patronised and can't charge high enough. IIM administrators should understand that their institute is just like any other university in India, just more elite and has more visibility. Considering their intellect and power, they should work for the entire higher education system in India, galvanise all universities and work to make our education system independent, world-class and transparent. It sounds too selfish on their part to just want autonomy for their institute so that they can pay themselves better salaries while other university professors all over India suffer with Rs. 15000 per month!! Ridiculous attitude, with due respects to their talent, skill and experience.
RE:IIM administrators also not free from blames..
by ASHOK on Dec 04, 2007 12:28 PM
Your understanding is as good as a Commie Gold is nothing but a metal and so is Iron. Why Gold should be so costly.
A manager manages workers. Workers are not innovative but a manager has to be innovative, otherwise he is replaced by a better one.
Understand the value of a manager.
Autonomy brings sense of responsibility and forces you to compete.
To compete you have to work hard and excel. Do not compare a 3rd rate university with IIM's
people like you ( all commies and socialists ) have killed India. How much more blood you guys want to suck.
RE:IIM administrators also not free from blames..
by Sathish on Dec 04, 2007 12:38 PM
I understand your point. Eliteness and quality deserves its respect. IIMs can't be compared with 3rd rate universities. I'm comparing it with one-time excellent and well-known universities like UofMumbai, Allahabad U, and U of Madras.. Why is there such huge difference in quality and treatment b/w the IIM and the best of the rest.. Its because of disproportionate funding that IIMs got in their early years and the degree that they give out.. Now after consuming all that largesse they are asking for autonomy without paying back. Its like a pampered child deserting its parents after reaching adulthood, while the handicapped child never got benefits and can't live alone..
RE:IIM administrators also not free from blames..
by ASHOK on Dec 04, 2007 12:52 PM
Sathish >> Understood your point too.
It is clear Govt do not have money to fund all the institutes. So selectively it should let loose those who can earn their own, from the industry and start supporting Say U of Mumbai / Delhi / Tamilnadu etc.
That way your concern, which I agree is equally valid, can be addressed.
RE:RE:IIM administrators also not free from blames..
by lotus hfjdh on Dec 04, 2007 01:18 PM
Mr Ashok...why dont u speak about about a free dynamic market..IIMs want autonomy but they don't want the indian education sector to be opened up for foreign universities like harvard or kellogs...U dont want IIMs to be compared with 3rd grade universities but IIMs themselves are afraid of the entry of the world elite business schools in india...If government cant feed IIMs so IIMs too are not able to survive if Harvard comes here even if they get the autonomy..They speak about autonomy but don't have the self confidence to face the incoming competition of a fair and free market...
RE:IIM administrators also not free from blames..
by ASHOK on Dec 04, 2007 01:50 PM
Lotus >> I agree,with autonomy comes responsibility and capabilty to stand on its two feets. IIM's and IIT's should be given autonomy and to remain responsible for its own expenses. Simultaneously foreign universities needs to be allowed to set its shop in India.
Of the 3 issues of MBA degrees, reservation and location, the first one is the least important. The last one is the most. Which bschool professor if he is in his senses would work in Shillong and Kozhikode.. His children should go to good schools and his wife should get decent work and he should be able to fly internationally and host seminars with international dignatories.. How many direct connections exist between Shillong-Kozhikode and Delhi/Mumbai, leave alone international flights.. How many five star hotels are there?
Ridiculous decisions. On a saner note, problems afflicting IIMs are not just peculiar to IITs and IIMs but are characteristic of the entire Indian higher education system. Hundred year old Universities in Mumbai and Madras are unfortunately performing so badly in research/teaching that one can only be sad about it.
RE:Comments from an IIM alumni
by Nikhil Parulkar on Dec 04, 2007 12:11 PM
You are right. This is the plight of academicians, while students it worse..2.5 lacs students appearing for CAT which has only 1400 seats.
If this is the plight of students & academicians, why shouldn't teachers & students not move out of India for teching or Higher education ?
Government involvement means reservation, no freedom of thought(academicians..aa la Mr Dholakia) & not even 1/4 of students can take the best of higher education(only 1400 seats available)..
So there are greener pastures than India..& not like good old times where they were restricted to US & UK only....today there are Australia,New Zealand,Singapore,Philipines,Hong kong, Europe...so why not go there???? Atlest these places give satisfaction of work & quality of life ....which sorry to say cannot & wil not be ever available in India ..take another 60 years...
As Mr Dholakia spent half of his career to fight for autonomy & govt turning deaf years..
On final count, I really fail to understand why our PM is asking Indians abroad to come back when he knowingly well cannot provide anything concrete to us ? And why does he promise the moon when he knows clearly that his stability is itself questionable till 5 years in office or possible before that he may be out. And not to mention he might not come in office in next 5 years.
RE:RE:Comments from an IIM alumni
by ASHOK on Dec 04, 2007 12:34 PM
Make India a great place to work, a great place to educate. No one is willing to leave homeland.
Everone loves his/her motherland.
Private educational institutes with a foreign affliation and NO GOVT. INTERFRENCE is need of the day.
RE:RE:Comments from an IIM alumni
by Sathish on Dec 04, 2007 12:32 PM
Educated and bright Indians who stay back in the country are, at one point or other, made to feel like fools by this government. When people like our PM or Kalam asks expatriates to come back they are being emotional and not practical.
It is true that flying abroad we get good education and lifestyle, but at a cost. In US as H1B we pay for social security that we never get to enjoy. In Europe we are always second class citizens because of color and rarely can we run for government.. And in India, we have politicians like Deve Gowda who exploit everybody..
RE:Comments from an IIM alumni
by lotus hfjdh on Dec 04, 2007 12:21 PM
Dear Mr. IIM alumni...I think the government should give autonomy to IIMs but simultaneously open up the Indian education sector for the foreign universities like Harvard or Kellogs to set up their campuses here. I feel IIMs have created their monopoly here in India. Let IIMs feel the heat of market competition if they talk about autonomy. Apart from this there is an inside story that IIMs have been opposing the entry of foreign universities here in India fearing that it will dilute their elite image..what u say??
RE:Comments from an IIM alumni
by Sathish on Dec 04, 2007 12:26 PM
You are right Lotus. We need to open the entire education system for private and foreign players and allow FDI in it. Harvard and Kellog can set-up universities, while Reliance, Bharti and Tata can set-up primary and secondary schools and show the government that businesses can run the social sectors as well or better than the government..
RE:Comments from an IIM alumni
by lotus disc hfjdh on Dec 04, 2007 12:40 PM
I feel Dholakia should talk sense...If he feels that IIMs have the right to have autonomy and charge their fees at the market rate, then they should speak about a dynamic free market. Who has restricted professors from earning fat salaries?? Let those professors join the private universities like Amity business schools and earn in lakhs...but they won't do that because they want the elite image of IIMs and a fat salary both. I think very few people know that IIM professors charge in lakhs from the private industry for consultancy projects..Even if they pay half of their income from consultancy to the government, still they are left with lakhs of rupees...who says that IIM professors don't earn enough...I think Mr IIM alumni knows all these inside facts but doesn't want to reveal...Poor people too have the right to study in IIMs...which bank will give them a loan of 10-15 lakhs if IIMs keep increasing their fees given the fact that banks ask for a mortgage above a loan of 4lakhs...
