That is the fundamental difference between a planned city and an unplanned city Mumbai is not well planned and grows too fast.. though new mumbai is pretty organized. perhaps more should be moved towards New Mumbai... that is the only way out.
I dont want to write lengthy posts I will directly hit the point. This is a old Gujrathi fantassy of separating out Mumbai from Maharashtra. Take a dip in the investigation and every single suggestion has to have some Gujrathi connection. Moraji Bhai desai first "dreamt" of this fantassy but all know how sucessfull PM Morarjee Desai was to India. The Samyukta Maharashtra Andolan has 200 Marathis killed in police firing on streets of Mumbai by orchratrated by Morarje Desai which is never forgotten by any Marathi person.
Comming to the Separate Manager and Autonomy junk discussed I wish to get a feedback from the rest of Indians on the other cities too???
1> How would Tamilians feel if Chennai was to be separated out to be a separate autonomous state outside of Tamilnadu?
2> How would Bengalis feel if Kolkatta was to be separated out to be a separate autonomous state outside of West Bengal?
3> How would Kanadigas feel if Bangalore was to be separated out to be a separate autonomous state outside of Karnataka?
4> How would Telghus feel if Hyderabad was to be separated out to be a separate autonomous state outside of AP?
5> How would Gujrathis Themselves feel if Ahemdabad-GandhiNagar was to be separated out to be a separate autonomous state outside of Gujrath?
Hence its bad to have double standards for Maharashtra, Mumbai and Marathi people and different standards in other parts of India.
If there is a suggestion then it should be Nationally be the sam
RE:It also should include other cities too.....No Double Standards.
by Raghavan Gandarvakottai on Aug 03, 2007 11:34 AM
Well, why dont you build a new IFC outside Mumbai, if you cannot solve existing constraints.
Why dont you give up any ambition of an IFC, Shanghai and just stick to realistic prospect of slums, encroachment, politics, politics and more politics - corruption excused - and remain staid.
RE:Naidu as Manager
by Yogesh Sundaram on Aug 02, 2007 09:51 PM
Naidu is a good choice.But it is not about individuals.Mumbai has the potential to become a world class fincnail services center like Singapore, Dubai, London etc. Look at the way Chinese government has tranformed Shanghai and Beijing. The human resource index in Mumbai has to be leveraged. What we need is a pro-active regulatory body consiting of eminent people from industries like Financial services, construction, Real Estate and Urban town planners. The first and foremost project is to develop a mordern train system like Delhi metro to ease congestion and make train transportation a pleaseant experience. I am sure Mumbai has the talent and resources to accomplish this transformation to an IFC.
The author and most other authors on this subject who are non-maharashtrians, keep mum on the fundamental reason for mumbai's woes and that is uncontrolled migration of non-maharashtrians into mumbai.
these migrants now form 75% of mumbai's population and 85% of slum population. Every day nearly 1000 people land in mumbai from other states.so population equal to that of kolhapur is added to mumbai every year. It is their uncontrolled migration that has brought the city's infrastucture on its knees. The city was never designed for 2 crore people.for 1 crore people the city has enough infrastructure.
if migration had been controlled in the 60's today mumbai could have been saved, but politicians ( read cong-i) relied heavily on non-maharashtrian votes in mumbai all along.it was their bread and butter, so they did not have the guts to curb migration. more the migration the better for them.. so even talking on this issue became a taboo.
non-maharashtrians already settled in mumbai also keep mum on this issue because they do not want to see mumbai's door's closed to their kith and kin in their native states. so the only voice of protest comes from maharashtrians who are now a minority.
As long as UP/Biharis/Tamils/Keralites/Bangladeshis catch the next available train to mumbai, our problem will not be solved, whatever experts might say.
RE:ROOT CAUSE OF MUMBAI's PROBLEM
by on Aug 02, 2007 07:42 PM
i always hear this baseless argument from maharshtrians that people from different states have spoiled mumbai but that is not true. Look at delhi which also has a big immigrant population but noone in delhi compains about it but maharashtrians are always crying about it- this whole brain wash is done by Shiv Sena who dont want to improve infrastructure rather blame people from other states. Mumbai is the financial capital of india and it belongs to indians and not maharashtrians. I dont know when we indians stop fighting between us :-)
RE:RE:ROOT CAUSE OF MUMBAI's PROBLEM
by Doob Doob on Aug 02, 2007 08:05 PM
delhi does not have 75% of its population of outsiders. mumbai does. so mumbai's problem are more severe.besides sheila dikshit too criticised migrants recently and blamed them for delhis problem.you can't hide from the truth that uncontrolled migration is root cause of mumbai's problem.infratructure is unable to catch up with the speed at which population grows. migration proves that the states from which the people migrate have failed to take care of their own people. do maharashtrians migrate en-masse to other states ? we dont need shiv sena to tell us whats happening to our city.
RE:ROOT CAUSE OF MUMBAI's PROBLEM
by temp on Aug 02, 2007 08:28 PM
if you think that migration is because that state has failed to take care of their people then what do you say about millions of NRIs who are living abroad. what is your definition of outsider? Also regarding delhi , it has created twin cities like gurgaon,farudabad,ghaziabad, noida to decongest the capital but what has mumbai done. we can go on arguments like this , i just wanted to make one point that just blaming people from other state does not help, there are so many cities in world where immigration happens in large scale but they have managed it - new york is one example.
RE:ROOT CAUSE OF MUMBAI's PROBLEM
by Srinivas Puspala on Aug 02, 2007 05:58 PM
Friend
You might be the root cause of india being under developed. what you have to say when every indian goes abroad including your cummunity. boss you need people from every where to grow. what about NY? and other cities
RE:ROOT CAUSE OF MUMBAI's PROBLEM
by Doob Doob on Aug 02, 2007 08:01 PM
NY does not allow uncontrolled migration . they issue visas to select qualified individuals,and not to every tom-dick-and-harry. mumbai unfortunately does not have the same luxury of choosing among migrants.
RE:ROOT CAUSE OF MUMBAI's PROBLEM
by temp on Aug 02, 2007 08:37 PM
can you send me a link where it states that in New york there is a controlled immigration for americans.
RE:ROOT CAUSE OF MUMBAI's PROBLEM
by laadlabakdaas on Aug 02, 2007 10:54 PM
you sound more like an IGNORANT LOSER than a hardcore Marathi patriot You don't need a visa to goto NY from other states. You only need a job. Don't make comments about NY sitting in a slum in Mumbai.
Marathis are just lazy asses and that's why all the brainy ppl like the Tamils came to Mumbai and excelled. Sure the Tamils came as labourers too but how can they be blamed if the Marathis are lazy mooning their arses and hesitate to do hard labour. Mumbai would be just like Patna if its not for the cosmopolitan environment there which attracted the best of India to the city.
RE:ROOT CAUSE OF MUMBAI's PROBLEM
by on Aug 02, 2007 11:32 PM
If Tamils were such great branies and hard workers why did they not develop TamilNadu itself ? Nobody invited them to Mumbai.The root problem is that,all the Tamilian brainis supported people like Jaylalita and she spent all your tax money to buy her shooes and saries instead of investing For infrastructure in Tamilnadu.Thats why Tamilians had to come to Mumbai.
RE:ROOT CAUSE OF MUMBAI's PROBLEM
by temp on Aug 03, 2007 11:43 AM
friends.. please stop this arguments about marathis or tamils , only point i wanted to make to all maharashtrians that Mumbai is not their private property , it belongs to the country and everyone has a right to live there no matter from where he comes. we should think how to handle these situations instead of fighting over communities. everyone feels bad if someone abuses their communities , even marathis should understand this and stop blaming people from other states to be responsible for Mumbai condition.
RE:mumbai
by swapnil patil on Aug 02, 2007 05:16 PM
India has a lot of money my dear but Mumbai isnt given any....take for example railways....the trains have been over-crowded to the extent of ppl falling off since years (atleast 20 as far as my memory goes) but the new lines have all been put up in bihar and the likes..
they are talking of putting up super fast trains to surat....
i have nothing against all those areas getting new facilities, wot abt the poor guy travelling to Virar? for how long does he have to get crushed while trying to reach office...
and everyone has just one solution....seperate Mumbai from maharashtra and everything will be fine... y ?
then y not seperate it from India....Singapore, Dubai and Hongkong have done well that way, y not for Mumbai. these are just excuses for not putting in enough money...PERIOD
