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What ails higher education


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Libran
Lot odf talk - No action
by Libran on Apr 23, 2007 08:56 AM  | Hide replies

Look who is talking. Mr Sudeep Bannerjee is the chairman. He is in a position where he can make a difference. He is talking about ills of the system instead of telling what he is doing about it. Everyone in India is doing thr same talking and no action.
Many years ago, when I was part of the IT educational system in India, I pleaded and argued for modular system for final two years of engineering - I presented the paper in Industry-Institute interaction programs . Those leaders who were listening appreciated what I said. Implementation = Nil.
Followed up from m side, no answers!! That is the sad state.

If a mechanical engineering student wants o take one electronic/computer subject as an elective, thousadnd hurdles and Mr Bannerjee is talking about humanities!!
If two chemical engineering students want to do a project with a civil and a mechanical engineering student to develop a model of a chemical factory, system scorns at it - It is not out of the prowess of the chairman to permit these things, but they don't

On the Flip side, Why he is a doomsyer - Why is he thinking that we are not creating institutes of excellence now? How does he know? Though there is mushroom growth of IT institutes, I am sure at least a few gems will emerge from this huge mass/mess.
More than the need for additional ITT/NITs, what is needed today is better education - It depends upon how much these institutes arre going to spend on books, faculty and how they will motivate these staff to do more research than read 'yellow notes' (Don't get me wrong, I am just refering to notes that some of the professors use - that are written decades ago!) I have many more points als! if there are takers!


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RE:Lot odf talk - No action
by on Oct 05, 2007 11:15 PM
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RE:Lot odf talk - No action
by on Oct 05, 2007 11:19 PM
I am presently on the subject and am in the process of comprehensively outlining factors that ail the higher education technical sector.I am interested in what you have to say. What do you mean by the modular system? Why hasn't the industry-institution interaction taken off despite it being the focus of all Govt. reports and policy papers?

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Brenton Cordeiro
What ails.... I'll tell you!!
by Brenton Cordeiro on Apr 23, 2007 12:23 AM

As a student I can say what ails my education:
1)Exam oriented academics- Its all about passing and reaching the next exam! Talents, interests and hobbies which also form a part of the development of a student are forgotten
2)Lack of interest- Whether its the institute's disinterest in updating infrastructure, curriculum or the teacher's who only care about thei salaries
3)RESERVATIONS GONE OUT OF CONTROL- Do I really need to explain this??

http://togetherunited.blogspot.com/



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Hebbar R
What ails Higher education.
by Hebbar R on Apr 21, 2007 09:11 AM  | Hide replies

The root cause of all problems in India is Politics.

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Ramesh Nittoor
RE:What ails Higher education.
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 21, 2007 08:06 PM
Blaimg politics is LAZY thinking. Without politics there can be no democracy. Higher education in India are run by politicians-bureaucrats combination. In the early years after 1947, they achieved wonderful results by planning and setting up with international cooperation IIMs, IITs, RECs and various new universities. The maladies as reported in various replies can be traced to INADEQUATE INVESTMENTS thereafter in educational sector. What we need is permitting private sector play an active role in investing heavily in education sector. In US endowment funds from former students and rich constitute billions of dollars. Such massive infusion of funds from Indian private sector is necessary to create an ambience for excellence. The laws presently restrict such privatisation of education, but such opening up is already on the anvil.

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Ramesh Nittoor
RE:RE:What ails Higher education.
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 21, 2007 09:02 PM
Indian students who come to study to top US universities, if without scholarship, pay about $160,000 for 4 year program. Such investments i.e. 70 lakhs for 4 years per engineering student is simply impossible in India. Barring few notable exceptions, most NEW private sector colleges in are run by minority or caste based institutions or some faceless setups with inadequate experience in creating modern institutions or insight to imparting modern education. Enabling mainstream national level private sector to enter education would need relaxing rigid university norms, academic freedom, non-interference in admission policies and many other legislation to facilitate land and infrastructure acquisition. The 'sabhyata' ethos of 'Saraswati' can only coexist with goddess of prosperity and security.

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Dipak Bose
RE:What ails Higher education.
by Dipak Bose on Apr 22, 2007 06:14 PM
All over the world there are regulations to ensure that quality of education can be maintained by the private sector universities. In USA there are boards that recognize universities; they make sure private universties canot do what they like. In UK or Europe private universities do not exist.
If the government is honest, government regulation can uplift standards, but if everyone like in India are dishonest, thugs, rapists--- universties cannot survive.
A girl cannot pass through Bihar without getting raped or molested. How can Bihar there be any universities there???




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Rahul Oberoi
RE:What ails Higher education.
by Rahul Oberoi on Apr 23, 2007 06:20 AM
Ramesh - how many SCHOLARS and GENUINE students with "HIGHER EDUCATION AND RESEARCH" interest have you met from India in the US Universities - who HAVE COME WITHOUT SCHOLARSHIPS OR AID AND BY PAYING THE $160000 FROM THEIR POCKET.Do a little research about these richie kids who fund their education and see what they do after the graduate. Trust me - you wont have to look far to find such people and the reasons they come to the US on an F1 visa.

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agnee i
What ails higher education in India
by agnee i on Apr 21, 2007 07:06 AM

RESERVATION

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ASHOK
Whole Education system need Overhaul Including ARJUN SINGH
by ASHOK on Apr 21, 2007 03:25 AM  | Hide replies

Look at National University of Singapore. Most of the faculty is MIT /Stanford etc
Indian does not have a single teacher now.
There was a time when I had teachers from Rochester / Maryland and what not.

But now no one is ready to come for a 30000 INR salary ( Even 1000 US Dollar is 42000 INR)

That is why Indian students are largest block in US.

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Rahul Oberoi
RE:Whole Education system need Overhaul Including ARJUN SINGH
by Rahul Oberoi on Apr 23, 2007 06:10 AM
And why do you need foreign educated profs. when there are capable Indian profs available - and who told you every MIT / Stanford doctorate makes a good prof ? They are intelligent themselves but who told you that all of them make excellent prof's ? There are excellent Indian prof's available in almost all bigger Univ's in India. And though Indian students are the largest block - scratch the surface and see - it is NOT necessarily for getting the best education.And incidentally - Australia now gets more students from India not the US.

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Dipak Bose
RE:Whole Education system need Overhaul Including ARJUN SINGH
by Dipak Bose on Apr 22, 2007 06:09 PM
If you look at the faculty list of Calcutta, Delhi, JNU, IIT, IIM, ISI--- they are all PhD from top grade US-UK universities.
What you are saying is true about other universities but not all universities.

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UmaShankar SathyaKumar
Higher Education in India
by UmaShankar SathyaKumar on Apr 21, 2007 03:16 AM  | Hide replies

I would have to agree to certain extent with the above article....

I really don't think even if we have the BEST schools and education system in India, I doubt that we will see any innovators and young entrepreneurs in business.

Because, ideas, conceptualisation, innovating and developing a business doesn't necessarily require very higher level of education. It requires Passion, Hard work, an ever-lasting appetite for taking risks and loads of self-confidence.

In India, 99% parents work and move their life as EMPLOYEES. They don't pass or share the vision and passion to their children to be EMPLOYERS in the future. We need at least 20% parent who want to see their Children as Lakshmi Mittal, Sunil Mittal, Mukesh Ambani, Anil Ambani, Azim Premji, Narayanamurthy, and Nandan Nilekani.

Education can create EMPLOYEES%u2026.THINKING can produce 1,000 BILL GATES.

India needs THINKERS....

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Kris K
RE:Higher Education in India
by Kris K on Apr 21, 2007 06:02 AM
Hi,

I agree with Uma.

Take my experience. The company i work in : VKInfotek came out with a program called :
'SUPER PROJECT'

One of the objective of this program is to encourage (with Cash Prizes and Letters of Recognition) college students to compete on a regional scale, in doing their final year projects.

When we did a test run of the project scheme with some well known colleges the response of the colleges was lukewarm to say the leaast.

All entreprenuerial efforts need not look glamorous at the start. - It is another matter that the company is goind ahead with its initiative.

If they look upon small company initiatives in such a manner, what will be the supprt to college level students ?

Support in our country means building, money etc. It is all good. But, more importantly, it is Respect and admiration which is more important, which leads us to Culture.

Are we risk fearing ?

But, we do not hesitate a moment to take a bribe ?

What is it ?



Teachers and Educationists have to start respecting students for their ideas, not just marks.



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Indian Students
Indian Students Network
by Indian Students on Apr 21, 2007 02:27 AM

Indian Students Network WWW.IndianStudentsNetwork.com

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Ramesh
Do back office work by neglecting basic sciences
by Ramesh on Apr 21, 2007 01:34 AM  | Hide replies

Every modern economy is built on strong scientific foundation.
IITs do not foster innovation, they only produce BTechs, MTechs and PhDs (questionable quality) who are just employees in dilapidate Indian industries.
A long term success can only be achieved by investing heavily in basic sciences. India missed every technology revolution out there and is poised to miss Nanotech revolution also. A lone IISc cannot provide the innovation engine for a Billion dollar economy.
It is alarming to see that Indians still need only a masters degree (90% of them without the need for a thesis) to be a faculty in a University!!!
Even in premier institutes faculties are not give free hand in curriculum development and recruitment of quality students.

At the current state India will best back office provider and will remain as only that forever. For every technology we need to BEG! When we are begging atleast we can beg from the US, Japan, Germany of UK, NOT from RUSSIA!!!!

Dr. Ramesh

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Dipak Bose
RE:Do back office work by neglecting basic sciences
by Dipak Bose on Apr 22, 2007 06:18 PM
Russian universities are very best, Russia has some of the best technology.


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Ramesh Nittoor
RE:Do back office work by neglecting basic sciences
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 22, 2007 11:53 PM
Dr. Ramesh, Agree 100% with you, most Indian colleges are teaching shops, not research institutions. They were instituted to imbibe technology, not to do basic research for innovation and invention. The roots of IIS are much different.to quote here...____"The Institute owes its existence due to a seed of thought which sprung from a talk between the Jamsetji Tata and Swami Vivekananda.[citation needed] The industrialist Jamsetji Nusserwanji Tata (1839-1904) constituted a Provisional Committee to prepare a plan for setting up of an Institute of higher education. On 31 December 1898, a draft prepared by this committee was presented to Lord Curzon, the Viceroy-designate. The Secretary of State for India requested the Royal Society of England for an expert opinion. The Royal Society in turn, sought the opinion of Prof. William Ramsay, a Nobel Laureate and the discoverer of Noble Gases. Prof. Ramsay toured the country and recommended Bengaluru as the ideal location for the proposed institute. "__http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Science. Such initiatives were feasible in British India and to create political and social climate which would once again provide the unencumbered society for evolution of 'unplanned' institutions is what we need to aspire for.

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Irfan Rizvi
RE:ASPD
by Irfan Rizvi on Apr 21, 2007 04:08 AM
You are right ... we all do.

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manitian
MANIT The real story !
by manitian on Apr 20, 2007 10:49 PM

I am a final year B.Tech student currently at MANIT and I feel compelled to write at this forum !

MANIT which boasts of being a premiere National Institute of Technology is a big farce and shame on the NIT system.

We had a big faculty recruitment last year and the recruitment fraud was published on front page of indias leading hindi daily ,

All faculty members who were recruited were relatives of existing faculty members and are nothing more than a bunch of idiots ! they dont even satisy minimum educational requirements like a Phd for prof level job.

Deserving candidates were thrown away and there was virtually open biding for the post of professors and astt profs !

The level of corruption in on phenomenal levels , the teachers dont know what and how to teach ! Ask any MANITian how many classes he attends in a year ! It wont be more that 50% !

There is no CAD lab / no computerised libary / no 24 hr Computer centre / No intenet access in hostels.

I strongly feel that we need a major deregulation in the recruitment and administration of institutes of national level , faculty should be made more accountable and there shold be a nationwide recruitment policy for recruitment.

Without quality faculty there is not point in developing any other facility !!!

Foul mouthing about ones alma mater is the worst thing to do ! and maybe for this reason even such incident are never reported !!!

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