let the evolution remain spontaneous else how a subject becomes richer. Grammar should not restrict a language , rather it should help it to grow. Gavaskar and Boycot played cricket which is as authentic as rules says. Yet cricket played by Viv, Viru and Gilchrist (Adam) are so pleasing. Should we restrict them to follow SG for a rule gets neglected. Rather we should accommodate them in the book of new edition. A reverse sweep is an addition to cricketing shot and that is what it should happen. Languages evolved in years and would do so in years to come. This is a process let it go on.
Re: rules and mistakes
by K G on Oct 09, 2014 11:17 PM
This is typical issue with all of us - instead of following the rules thoroughly and then see ways to bend it, we, in general, unable to follow in first place talk about bending rules. Such talks will not create One day and T20 matches which are deviation from regular test matches; these will not create 30 yard circles, free hits rather it will try to remove bowled, catch outs and umpiring. Bernard shaw created corpus fund to "phoneticize (if i can say so)" English and borrow from elsewhere. He even mocked english by writing a word as "Ghoti" but pronouncing as fish, with the sound fi for Gh borrowed from rough; ti from tion if tuition, motion etc. This did after being a great scholar of English and not making grammatical errors.
But all said and done, Co-brother, Co-Sister, Cousin-Brother, Cousin-Sister are contribution of India to English, while others listed here are grammatical, semantical mistakes to be corrected by all of us.
Re: rules and mistakes
by ananth on Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM
Couldn't agree with you more. Even the English speaking countries including England have accepted the changes of their language. Let us leave the nuances of the language to the puritans. There is this 'Society for English language lovers" at Chennai, who organize talks during every year. It was a wondeful experience.
let the evolution remain spontaneous else how a subject becomes richer. Grammar should not restrict a language , rather it should help it to grow. Gavaskar and Boycot played cricket which is as authentic as rules says. Yet cricket played by Viv, Viru and Gilchrist (Adam) are so pleasing. Should we restrict them to follow SG for a rule gets neglected. Rather we should accommodate them in the book of new edition. A reverse sweep is an addition to cricketing shot and that is what it should happen. Languages evolved in years and would do so in years to come. This is a process let it go on.
I do agree. Sir, but my Mind never accepts my father's brother as Uncle and his daughter as `cousin'. first i am a bharatwasi. English can not be so stiff when it comes to Bharat! It has to be acclimatized to suit our minds. It may not be correct to use indian words while conversing in English. So why not coin some words? The only reason English survives is its transmutation
Re: HINGLISH
by Somaji Gomaji on Oct 10, 2014 08:35 AM
I am proud of you,one of the very few , who use BHARAT and not india.India is the word used by the slaves of foreigners.
I think it must be only India where we feel proud of speaking English other than our own language which is reinforced by what people are rioting in this forum. We should learn it from other European countries and japan about how to feel proud about your own language
Nothing wrong if there are mistakes in usage. It's quite common comparing written and oral usage. Globally, English has evolved differently due to regional dialects and local language. America too has marked variations across its different states. Even in England, cultural mixing has shown its effect. In India, most people use present or future continuous forms instead of simple present tense while speaking.
Every usage is fine as long as we are able to convey thoughts and if we are not preparing an official document or preparing for an exam.
But one thing for sure, in India, we give too much importance to usage of English language (to an extent of proving us superior or downsizing others), especially in corporate environment.
Re: Re: Rules and mistakes
by Ashish Sharma on Oct 09, 2014 05:12 PM
No, its more than several years of experience (more than a couple of decades) working with US, UK, Australian and other clients where I had to constantly make changes in the usage, right from simple documentation to SLAs.
Re: Re: Re: Rules and mistakes
by Ashish Sharma on Oct 09, 2014 05:14 PM
Practical usage is not like a computer dictionary where one has to change UK to US English and auto-correct will take care of the rest.
Mr. and Mrs. is the correct usage. When you are speaking of correct English, you shouldn't be twisting it to show respect to women. That is when it becomes an Indianism.
Forget the Americans, even tiny African nations like Ghana or Tanzania dont give a damn if their usage of English is not propha. No language, when spoken by a non-native speaker can be free of cultural influences of the speaker. Nothing wrong in it. It enriches the language and that is the way it is supposed to be.
Yet. For mentally colonised Indians, while an error-free usage of native languages is a subject of derision, nothing but the Queens English is good enough. Bah!
