Let’s make good carpenters, masons, welders, auto mechanics. These are scarcer today then an engineer of good standing be it from IIT/NIT or from any other Indian institution. Just churning out IITians at the cost of no teenage has cost the country dearly. The damage on young minds that do not succeed in IIT-JEE after working hard, loosing teenage and undergoing peer/parental pressure probably is irreparable. End of the day, after five decades of churned out IITians, hardly few have contributed big or have made a difference to the fabric of Indian way of life. The whole thing is a farce and is one more eye sore of our Society.
Re: the glam is a nothing but a big farce
by desi twist on Jun 14, 2012 12:03 AM
Have you heard of the concept "positive externality". Let me try to explain it and hope that it does not tax your limited intelligence. [x] IITians went abroad mostly, as you say, no "direct" benefit to India. [x] Few IITians stayed back and went to other walks of life. They excelled in what they did. Benefit to the country. [x] In the meanwhile the IITians who went abroad, excelled in their respective fields, and actually contributed to India being more recognised. [x] Indirectly or directly this has been responsible for more technical companies to open up shop in India. Direct benefit to many people who are employed here. Many companies in US headed by IITians or key positions occupied by IITians. This has resulted in them setting up shop in India, fully aware of the talent pool here.
Sometimes limited inteligence cannot link cause and effect, but that does not mean the relation does not exist. In the meanwhile, try to apply your logic to your own body and see if it works. Lets say you have a heart problem, which is stalling your body. In the meanwhile your fingers are working ok but not helping solve your heart problem. So what do you do? Probably assume that the fingers do not benefit you and cut them off!!!
Re: Re: the glam is a nothing but a big farce
by ganajivenmanraj seven on Jun 15, 2012 01:41 PM
No I have not heard of ‘positive externality’ and I am sure it does not count to me at all to extend my limited intelligence with this nonsense. You do seem to be the chip of the old block and have set yourself too hard to break. I do agree though that many IITians have contributed along with multiple non IITians both in India and abroad. The brand has value for sure but something which one can easily live without. The toll on young minds of age 14 to 17 that do not make it is the essence of my comment. The cause and effect of limited intelligence is very much visible especially when you have taken it so personal.
Re: Re: Re: the glam is a nothing but a big farce
by desi twist on Jun 16, 2012 11:10 AM
Well perhaps you should clarify what is the essence of your comment, because you had brought out two points in a single comment. If your comment is about people who do not succeed getting through IIT-JEE, I agree with you on the negative impact, but well, IITs are not responsible for that. Perhaps opening up other avenues for education is a better option than kill the ones that exist.
Secondly, IIT is not a fashion apparel that someone would overplay the brand value. Many IITians themselves do not place any emphasis on the brand, rather, they only place emphasis on self improvement, the few that do, are plain stupid or do so for selfish reasons. Such IITians are best ignored. Yes, I may have taken it personal, and I do apologise for the strong language, but when you make a sweeping conclusion without considering many factors, I felt that perhaps you also had a personal agenda at first place.
Re: the glam is a nothing but a big farce
by karan prasad on Jun 17, 2012 11:08 PM
"Let’s make good carpenters, masons, welders, auto mechanics" haha...Do you aspire to become a mason, welder etc. Even a mason wants his child to become an engineer , doctor or any white collar professional. Read any theory of social stratification and you'll know that what you are saying is idiotic. And anyway India's model of developement is based on a highly educated middle class of skilled graduates..Read the book"Indian renaissance". There is actually a shortage of people in the IT and other engineering sectors so we actually need more engineers otherwise our growth will stop. Also we do not need a mass of semi skilled individuals as our economy is not based on manufacturing.
Re: Re: the glam is a nothing but a big farce
by Ramesh Nakhwa on Jun 30, 2012 04:16 PM
Hey guys why fight. We run a industry and we do not get good fitters, welders etc. So we should increase the number of instittutions which qualify people for these trades. And we do need to increase the number of IIT and IIM. We need all of them. But the IIT and IIM's seem to be doing good on thier own so lets fix what needs fixing and leave the ones which are excelling alone and let them do their jobs And please stop fighting. If its some consolation both of you are right
Wats the use of these IITians for the Society.....
Every body knows the IITS are the best people .. or intelligent people study.. but where the mind goes...only book theory .. 1.they study with govt money and 2. they get best infrastructure in the unviersties accross india. 3. they get scholar ships.. from govt of India. 4.They get best teachers across india from Govt.
But whats use of these guys.. once They Finished the studies.. no one came forward to Work for the People even after tehy studied with help of peoples money..
they go abroad in the name of MS or higher stuides or PHd..
Do we need to pay any taxes for this kind of guys to study on our money..?
Re: Wats teh use of IIT'ians for the Society..!!!!!!
by R Chakravarti on Jun 13, 2012 06:23 PM
Yes, unfortunately they are (mostly) not even interested in joining the IITs as faculty members. There should be a carrot and stick policy to make IIT graduates serve the nation. Hope this starts a debate!
Re: Wats teh use of IIT'ians for the Society..!!!!!!
by A P on Jun 13, 2012 07:51 PM
you need not pay taxes for them... most of them would happily pay back the amount and choose to work the world under the right kind of ppl, rather than be nationalistic in the wrong place under the wrong ppl.. FYI, most IITians today return to the country and even in yesteryears, they have contributed Rs. 15 to the Indian economy for every rupee spent on them(PanIIT report'11). Look at almost any top rung PSU in India, and u'll know who the iitians are!!
Re: Wats teh use of IIT'ians for the Society..!!!!!!
by karan prasad on Jun 17, 2012 10:48 PM
It is due to the IIT grads that went abroad that most technology companies preferred to outsource to India rather than China.That was funded by your taxes be happy about it. The IIT or any other grads went outside due to lack of opportunities in India and nobody can blame them for it.Everyone has the right to pursue his/her best interests.
If, BITS, PILANI kind of institutions are established more and more in India,then the unwanted pressure and importance on IIts will get reduced to a large extent. IAS has already lost its charm in the educated fraternity. The elite institutes passed out engineers are preferring to do their Masters course abroad. India is loosing its merit to other countries. In a country where caste, creed, religin matters more than merit, this is the right punishment.
IAS and IPS are subservient to the personal whims of Indian political system which is corrupt from top to bottom. So the bureaucracy is toing in line to make quick bucks. They are no match to IITians who take MBAs ans go to privste sector to govern the corporates vis-a-vis the government. My only advise to IAS, IPS aspirants is that if you think that you can work for the country in a straightforward manner with our creativity, style, innovation and soft skills...better not to apply for this.
Re: IAS and IPS
by karan prasad on Jun 17, 2012 10:50 PM
When an IAS or IPS does good work, he does not publicize it...But when something goes wrong, its all out in the media..That is why all you hear is bad things and bureaucrats towing politicians lines...
But Sir, if they are the best then why are our dept worst managed? Secondly sir have any IITians contributed to national cause in significant way? Most of them go abroad, some of them crack IAS (another waste of IIT prestigious seat). How does nation benefit from them?
Re: Best Brains.
by Face Dude on Jun 13, 2012 02:52 PM
Mr Dutta, Please dont have a narrow view of the IIT graduates. 4 years of education alone cannot make them martrys or saviours of the country. Unfortunately our country has innumerable holes and procedural problems that no person with straight mind would like to pursue work of excellence here.
Its not IIT graduate's responsibility to rid the nation of all ills, Its for the Govt to provide the enviornment here so the graduates think twice before stepping out of the Indian shores.
FYI, graduates from leading China, Korea or Singapore universitities also go the US to pursue higher studies / research.
The key is to get the enviornment right and get the graduates to stay back.
Re: Re: Best Brains.
by rao suri on Jun 13, 2012 05:45 PM
If tht is the Case you shoudl not study on the Peoples Money.. u go for bettrer envirornment for gradution itself.. u enjoy all the environ ment best india can Provide and still pointing fingure on it.. think man
Re: Re: Re: Best Brains.
by desi twist on Jun 13, 2012 08:36 PM
Even if you increase the fees, most IITans would happily study in IIT. BTW, there are merit seats in State Govt run colleges too. Even these students waste tax payer money and then go abroad. I am not sure why IITians are singled out.
Re: Best Brains.
by RAJIV ANAND on Jun 13, 2012 02:55 PM
i think you have said very right thing very first, we have IAS/IPs who are licking the feet of the politicians and working for them selves. they have time to attend the any culture functions but not have time to clear the files, visit the roads/markets have they walked on road to see what is going day in day out , these guys are nothing BUT only HAVE LARGE MEMORY CELLS WHICH THEY USED TO CRACK THE SO CALLLED exam to qualify to run this country
Re: Re: Best Brains.
by karan prasad on Jun 17, 2012 10:56 PM
What alternate selection procedure do you suggest, Mr Best Brains.. on what data are u basing your judgement of IAS/IPS officers...In my experience it is the lower bureaucracy and politicians that are to blame .. in the power structure, according to the constitution, elected officials are the head of government bodies and not IAS/IPS officers.Thus they have to follow what the politician demands,else apply for a transfer..
