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'Quality of IITians leaves much to be desired': Do you agree?


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Dennis Christie
Thhe strange Narayan Murthy
by Dennis Christie on Oct 07, 2011 03:04 AM

I am a big fan of Narayan Murthy and Sudha Murthy. As far as I know, THE SUPER SUCCESSFUL Narayan Murthy never got thru IIT JEE and entered IIT for M. Tech. after graduating from Mysore Univ. in B. E. or B. Tech. So my sincere request to him is to refrain from harsh criticism about a system of which he couldn't do much about as a student, and never tried to change the system (helping students from coaching classes tailor made for IIT JEE), as various avatars of IITs, with his iconic status. I did sail thru IIT JEE without any coaching classes and like any IITian know it better than Narayan Murthy. May be, had there been coaching classes then, Murthy would have got thru IIT JEE. It shudn't be case of sour grapes for him repeatedly. He has spoken about it before.


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anilkumar
Right Statement
by anilkumar on Oct 07, 2011 03:03 AM  | Hide replies

I do beleive,that if Mr Murthy makes such statement,it ought to be right,I mean this man has been there,done that.After Sabir Bhatia's hotmail,is there anything worth to speak about.I think more IITians are only concerned about getting Jobs and running abroad.Innovations require brilliance and as Mr.Murthy pointed out,the quality of IITians has much to be desired.

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Arun
Re: Right Statement
by Arun on Oct 07, 2011 03:22 AM
It is not just IIT but the educational system needs a overhaul. If you cant get into a public school in USA, it means that the child needs some special attention or something. But in India, if a child goes to a public school, people see that differently. Like in west, school should be free and should be of world class quality. College education can be charged and subsidized accordingly.

But for this kind of change, some real revolution needs to take place.

1) Caste system should be abolished - Reservation would die by itself. Caste based politics and related evils will disappear. Eventually, the openmindedness will slowly settle in people's mind.
2) Sharing of information should be the key. Though India is a forerunner in the firld of Maths and science, the few families just passed it on tho their generations so that they keep the "secret". But eventually, when it feel into the west, they claim ownership. Our Indian medicine system is not so well known because of this fact.
3) Students will have be taught life skills. Books are not the only things that can help.

4) Failure in 1 examination has ended so many children's lives though their parents pressure has played an important role too.

5) People should learn to move on. Not still dreaming about the 5000 years of civilization and boast about it and not progressing. What needs to be done is the need of the "today".

The list goes on. But the change needs to be from every end, not only wit

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abhishek pushp
Re: Re: Right Statement
by abhishek pushp on Oct 07, 2011 05:43 AM
great post..!!

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Debo Mcnair
Chetan Bhagat
by Debo Mcnair on Oct 07, 2011 02:53 AM  | Hide replies

LOL! This guys has the nerves to ridicule Infosys! Ok Einstein - what do you achieve? Nothing Nil Nada Zip!

If infosys is body shopping what is IBM, Accenture, CapGemini, PwC, Ernst & Young, Mckinsey. All of them make money by shopping their employees.

IITians are like MBAs. Just for the network. No achievements to speak of!

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Arun
Re: Chetan Bhagat
by Arun on Oct 07, 2011 03:02 AM
If you have worked for both the companies or have worked in the industry for sufficient time with employees from Indian companies and the Western companies, you will know the difference.

The first and the very important difference is that The western companies treat their employees as assets. Indian companies treat them as slaves. And you can see the same mindsets deeply etched in the citizens of the countries (exceptions are those who have travelled and networked enough).

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ashish sinha
Govt made a serious mistake by cloning IITs all over
by ashish sinha on Oct 07, 2011 02:44 AM  | Hide replies

when your economy is starved of cash, you do no good by printing more money. This devalues your currency. Same is what is happening to IIT brand. Instead of supporting other technical institutes to excel, the govt had the plan of rebranding them as IITs. How is this going to make you better ? Why did our govt lack this common sense ?

Moreover the entrance criteria currently followed has become more of a speed test rather application of concepts. the earstwhile exam pattern tested an applicants aptitude in applying concepts. It is completely missing in the present exam patterns. In older days when all exam questions weere novel, coaching centers emphasized on concept building, these days its just rote learning that can get you through. Certainly our HRD ministries have a lot of blame to take. They forgot that blindly following populist demand of IIT everywhere is going to lead to doom.

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ashish sinha
Re: Govt made a serious mistake by cloning IITs all over
by ashish sinha on Oct 07, 2011 02:48 AM
also a point that in our country toughness level of exam at 10th and 12th lacks a great deal in testing candidates ability of concept application. Hence to make a level playing field our govt decided to bring down the entrance exam level for IITs. While a positive step would have been to bring exam at tenth and 12th to the level of IIT JEEs. This was ignored.

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Loga
Obama is saying Quality of US students not good
by Loga on Oct 07, 2011 02:40 AM  | Hide replies

Obama is saying Quality of US students not good and Narayana Murthy is saying Quality of Indian students not good who is right.
June 2009 Washington Obama speech:
US President Barack Obama has exhorted his countrymen to buckle up as the Indians and Chinese are catching them fast, as Americans have now settled into mediocrity.
Our kids are falling behind when it comes to science.

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Arun
Re: Obama is saying Quality of US students not good
by Arun on Oct 07, 2011 03:12 AM
Again, knowing deep about both the systems will help you understand. In USA... till the recession in 2008, anyone can jus do great without much educational knowledge. And the dropouts are high. The wages are in par in most of the blue collar jobs and plumbers, electricians, mechanics, care givers... every one is paid a minimum wage and their life style is way different from the Indian Blue Collar workers.

In India, the math and science eduction is good. But the same education system has failed miserably in educating them to apply the same. Tahts why, according to studies, more than 85% of the graduates from India are unemployable.

Both the systems have their own faults and advantages.

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Passed
Its not failure of IITs but more of Indian Education System
by Passed on Oct 07, 2011 02:31 AM

When emphasis is more on quantity than quality, quality is bound to deteriorate.

From last few years, government has been interfering with the functioning of IIT, increasing student enrollment and doing nothing about the student roll-out from so called IIT coaching centers, where students are taught how to crack the exams instead of actually learning and working hard to know enough to pass the exams. Not to mention the reservation, which is allowing back door entry to less qualified entrants.

Overall what Mr. Murthy said is right and there are various reasons for that. But the most important of all is our mentality of cracking exams instead of learning things. Unless we change the mentality where people are allowed to do what they want to do.

To Chetan Bhagat:
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With all due respect, you should not say anything about it, as you went to IIT, because you could, but did you actually went there to learn or just to get degree? Because eventually you ended up writing novels instead of doing anything with the knowledge you gained from IIT. And this is where our education system is rotting, as people who can get marks, get into these institutes without any intentions of working the field with the knowledge they gain. Leaving people who actually want to work in the field is lesser colleges, where they do not get same kind of exposure in terms of research and jobs.

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Narasimhan KrishnaPrasad
Quality of students from IIT
by Narasimhan KrishnaPrasad on Oct 07, 2011 01:17 AM

Mr.Narayana Murthy is possibly the best person to judge the quality of students passing out from India's premier engineering institution.However while making an assessment it has also to be reckoned that there has been a steady decline in the level of quality in all fields.One of the reasons seemingly is the lesser attention towards academics. Everything now seems to be stereotyped. If more avenues are made available for the students to be creative and if the examination pattern is also changed to assess the potential of the students as regards their knowledge on the core of the subjects, there is scope for improvement.

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Viswanathan
IIT standard
by Viswanathan on Oct 07, 2011 01:14 AM

Narayana Murthy, in my opinion, is right when he says the quality of Engineers coming out of present day IITs are definitely inferior to those who came out in the yester years. I also agree with him that the top 20% are still good. Imagine the quality that is going to be when more students from IITs are going to be rolled out in the coming years, with IITs having been established in every state.

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sameer chaudhary
crap
by sameer chaudhary on Oct 07, 2011 12:26 AM  | Hide replies

Level of student is rising continuously . 2011 batch is better then 2001 batch . 2001 is better then 1995 batch and it is true for most of the institutions . It is in relative comparison we are slipping when compared to other well known institutions and that is because of our mind set to judge brighter students based on marks which has been calculated based on theoretical papers .

I believe all of you will agree that you can get good marks just by rotting 10 days before end-sem and 3 days before mid-sem . It does not take into consideration that can you do any real life implementation of that knowledge .

Engineering colleges are judged based on their research work . How many patents ? How many research papers have been published ? How many books have been published ? All this work is done mainly by M.Tech and Phd . At this level most the institutions fail miserably .

Until we change our mindset of judging student from theoretical knowledge to practical implementation , things are not going to change much in international rankings . Although level of student in successive batch is going to improve . They will perform better at job but they will not be entrepreneurs .

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nitmohan
Re: crap
by nitmohan on Oct 07, 2011 01:07 AM
how can you forget political interference in this nation

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chayan bhattacharjee
NRN vs Chetan
by chayan bhattacharjee on Oct 06, 2011 11:48 PM

NRN has got this on spot as far IIT 's are concerned. The IITs for which they were concieved has failed miserably in its national development contribution. Reservations, acephalous units of IITs, & lack of understanding of Indian populace has denigrated it.

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