BEST SOLUTIONS FOR THE GOVT IS CREATION OF AN INSTITUTE WHICH MEANS MORE FUNDS AND MORE PEOPLE TO BE ADJUSTED WITH NO ROLE WHILE THE ACTUAL BENEFICIARIES ARE EXCLUDED AND ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE TO BE OBLIZED ARE TO SHARE THE FRUITS OF DEVELOPEMNT
In my last article with the same subject I had narrated about only one very small segment and a small town Lucknow. Adding to it IIM, IET, KGMU (earlier KGMC) SGPGI, AMC, B R Ambedkar Central University, Canning College, 5 ITI's and many more... If we integrate to one singly handled all these research institutes, technical & special institute & share knowledge, scientific & managerial development and other related activities. Selling and sharing resources to Industries. The quantum of Funds rising for higher research work, scholarships, infrastructure development.. All these things welded not only at city level or district level neither at state level. But truly at national level. We can have an Infrastructure setup of over 2 to 5 trillion dollar, offering scientific research and advancements in medicine, technology, education, medical & managerial education.. This will be a bammoth of infrastructure system that India can build. This will not require Govt. assistance. This will not have Govt. funding, this will not have Govt.s interference & dirty politics will never be able to pollute it... This will be a Giant system without duplicity in research work, and all the brains working together to make a dream of quality education to all in India. It is possible and a will of ordinary man with extraordinary efforts will transform the education system of this Country and this will happen in my lifetime.. And I have a co
Finance Bill 2011 had a plan expenditure of over $11b. This is only Central Assistance, apart from this very many schemes, Expenditure on research, State assistance to education sector. Basic, Secondary & higher Education system, apart from state technical universities. UGC Grants, Foreign research assistance for specific medical, industrial & agriculture research. Research work by social and industrial associations and very many social organizations. So much money comes to education & research segment but what is the end use. The system has miserably failed to integrate itself and capitalize on the funds allocated through different routes. I take a shame in sharing that one education institute having the infrastructure, the market value of the land itself is over $5million has 11 students, with a monthly salary bill of over Rs.11 Laces. The irony of the state and education system. We failed and we failed together and we failed miserably towards our social and national responsibility. Lucknow has NBRI, CDRI, ITRC, CEMAP, ITRI, CRI and over 10 state & central funded research institutes. No connections among them, no sharing of knowledge & information, no sharing of resources, where most of the time most of the labs & research instruments are idle, why? No Idea. I have left out state & central universities at Lucknow from this list. If we can integrate these resources, sharing & work
Finance Bill 2011 had a plan expenditure of over $11b. This is only Central Assistance, apart from this very many schemes, Expenditure on research, State assistance to education sector. Basic, Secondary & higher Education system, apart from state technical universities. UGC Grants, Foreign research assistance for specific medical, industrial & agriculture research. Research work by social and industrial associations and very many social organizations. So much money comes to education & research segment but what is the end use. The system has miserably failed to integrate itself and capitalize on the funds allocated through different routes. I take a shame in sharing that one education institute having the infrastructure, the market value of the land itself is over $5million has 11 students, with a monthly salary bill of over Rs.11 Laces. The irony of the state and education system. We failed and we failed together and we failed miserably towards our social and national responsibility. Lucknow has NBRI, CDRI, ITRC, CEMAP, ITRI, CRI and over 10 state & central funded research institutes. No connections among them, no sharing of knowledge & information, no sharing of resources, where most of the time most of the labs & research instruments are idle, why? No Idea. I have left out state & central universities at Lucknow from this list. If we can integrate these resources, sharing & work
there seems to be a huge backlash in this form against IITs and their products. I fail to understand what do people in general want IITians to do for their country ? Win Nobel prizes ? Create inventions ? Do good research ? Let me address these issues one by one. Nobel prizes are awarded for exellence in science areas. There is no nobel prize for engineering. And in India the quaity of students who opt for science is much worse than those who opt for engineering. We simply do not have enough jobs for grads in fundamental science after they graduate. The other issue of good inventions, does happen, but happens abroad where there is good envirnment for IIT grads to create and not think of their pay check. The graduate stipend in US more than sufficies for a student to do research as well support family back in INdia. Again in India good research is looked down upon. A PhD student in IIT can not survive with twenty thousand rupees a month, while thos ein Infosys or TCS get much bigger salary. We need to blame our current lakcdasical approach towards basic science for the current state of our inovativeness. We spend less than 1billion dollar towards research where as China spends 50 billion and US spends 200 billion. So why this bias against researchers in India ? Till this is corrected IITs will not be able to do more good than wht they are doing already. Its more like a powerful engine without enough fuel being pumped in. You do not blame the engine here.
Re: negative thoughts in this forum
by gururaj on Jun 07, 2011 06:32 AM
ur dumb...engineering is a part of science..its not that engineers cant innovate..itsjust that mos indian get their engineering degree for money.nothing else.If youneed innovation, u need to be world class.you need to have research facilities.most important you need to the urge for knowledge, bur we indians lack it..We just want to work for money and go abroad for more money.Its true, you cant deny it.You need a facility where advanced research i possibel,but india lacks it and indian politicians dont need it.
Re: instead of more top heavy iits and iims.....india needs more
by nswami69@rediffmail.com on Jun 06, 2011 10:23 PM
What good is a good education if the only jobs you can find are in call centers or as "consultant" in one of the 1000 IT firms.
We are already producing too many below average engineers/MBAs and they have saturated the market.
The deluge of private engineering/management colleges (most owned by netas/babus) have diluted the brand.
Last year when SBI came up with thousands of vacancies for clerks 80% of applicants had a BTech and/or MBA. The minimum qualification was 12th pass.
After an article on the achievements of DRDO a few days ago, the media is again caught up in the age old hype of IITs and IIMs. They are right in stressing that the new IITs and IIMs are liabilities, but to be fair the old IITs and IIMs aren't any different. There are well defined indices of performance of institutes and univs, but the IITs fall far short of the expectations considering the amount of money that is poured in and the excellent service conditions for the faculty. Just consider the age of retirement of scientists. It has remained stagnant at 60 (same as any govt servant)for the last 60 years. Compare this with 65-70 for the IIT professors and the judges. Why this discrimination when the mandate of the scientists is at least a million times tougher to say the least? Why have impossibly high expectations from the scientists without matching inputs, while hype and apparently good performance of IIT BTechs in US is glorified no end? Who doesn't do better in US than in India? Like an old bureaucrat once said - in technology we want to be on par with Japan, France, US, Germany etc., while in health and education we comapare ourselves with Ethiopia, Sierra Leone and B Desh.
Re: Media at it again!
by ashish sinha on Jun 06, 2011 10:14 PM
Hi Ujwala. IITs are truly world class institutions. I am talking of the earstwhile 5 iits. Cant say same about new ones. The money spent on these by the govt is not a waste by any means. Let me ask you this, why do you consider an IITian going abroad a wasted expenditure for Indian tax payers ? In several cases, IIT grads find more ways to do good to their country by being abroad than by being inside. Please do not hold such discriminatory thoughts. India is backward in science and technology not because IIts have underperformed, but because we have a bias in this country against good research. IITs have and produce someof the brilliant minds in this country, but there is no incentive for them to grow in their respective fields after graduation. In such cases its better for them to go abroad and contribute to the fraternity of sience and enineering. You need to have a holistic approach on this subject.
There are only 5 genuine IITs - Bombay, Delhi, Kanpur,Kharagpur and Madras. The name of some cities was changed due to political reasons, but it does not affect the quality of of these institutes. Overall IITK is the best, but the Coaching touts of Kota hijack the toppers to IIT Bombay.
Rest all IITs are born out of Politics and their quality is below some Govt Engg colleges.
NITs are in a confused space. One questions when we have IITs, then what these NITs are doing?
Overall, Most of the Indian engg colleges are mere factories producing low cost engineers.
Re: Re: IITs
by ashish sinha on Jun 06, 2011 10:18 PM
Hi Swami, that is true because in India there is no incentive to be involved in research. An IITian being a grad in Chemical Engineering for example, is no good if he joins software insudtry after graduation. Its a bigger waste of tax payers money than when the person goes abroad and does good in his chosen field of engineering. And this is not cheap labour. Most degree holders from US universities are paid more or the same as what is paid to american counterparts. Cheap labor are those who come to US without the backing of any degree and only for jobs that are contractual in nature.
Re: Re: IITs
by ashish sinha on Jun 06, 2011 10:28 PM
NITs are merely centers for the dissemination of knowledge. IITs have foothold in all three aspects i.e creation, dissemination and application of knowledge.
