We are born in a society where marriage is treated as sacrosanct, something which was fixed in heaven. It is a relationship valid not only in this life but also in lives yet to come. Nevertheless, this relationship is changing and law has played a very important role in altering this relationship. The legislature drafted these laws to protect the vulnerable women in the relationship, but while doing that didn’t keep in consideration abuse of these laws by not so vulnerable women. The judiciary, while sympathizing with the tears of women, didn’t recognize the fact that these may be crocodile tears. Due to these reasons these laws has become a tool to harass husbands, extort money from husbands and their family, to torture hapless women of the husbands family. In short, these laws have made marriage more a legal relationship than a social relationship. The law presumes, everybody knows laws. Marriage is a voluntary relationship, in the sense that till this point of time there is no law which can compel a man to marry (although in practice some women have compel men to marry them by leveling false allegation of rape against them. The recent case of suicide by an ex-Army officer is a cse in point where the man committed suicide due to pressure to marriage and in case of denial threat of false cases.).
Re: Indian Men, Beware Of Marriage!
by Tall Male on Feb 28, 2011 11:29 PM
Thus every man must know the legal provisions before he enters into the legal relationship of marriage. If he enters without knowing these provisions, he cannot blame any other persons for that. However, it is the duty of legal practitioners and social workers to make tem aware of these laws so that nobody enters into a legal relationship of marriage without knowing its implications. Slowly and steadily the number of law governing the relationship between husband and wife is increasing. One thing is common in all laws- they are prejudiced and biased against the men in the sense that they give rights only to the wives and imposes duties only to the husband. Further the language of the law is such that it facilitates abuse of these laws against the husband and his family members. And in fact also the wives are systematically abusing these laws. These laws were primarily designed to protect the vulnerable women in our society but the working of these laws suggest that they have become more a weapon of harassment and extortion in the hand of not so vulnerable women. The Hindu Marriage Act and the Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act impose a duty upon the husband to maintain their wife. However a person can claim maintenance only if he/she is not able to maintain himself/herself. The term is ability or potential to maintain and not mere inability to maintain at any point of time.
Re: Re: Indian Men, Beware Of Marriage!
by Tall Male on Feb 28, 2011 11:30 PM
However, a survey of the judgments will clearly shows that even when the wife was able bodies and educated then also the courts have granted maintenance. Further, these two Acts are not sufficient and the Criminal Court is empowered to grant maintenance as per section 125 of the Code of Criminal Procedure. More Acts for the same relief means that the wife has more avenues to harass a husband through the process of Court. We can see that a wife has a right to maintenance- but what is her duty. Law says nothing. If she abuses the husband, then also she can claim maintenance. If she beats her mother-in-law, then also she can claim maintenance. Thus a wife has no duty, only rights. Just maintenance is not something to be very worried about. What is more important that the wife has been given power to send the husband and his family members to the prison at wish? Under section 498A of the Indian Penal Code a wife can complain that she has been treated with cruelty for dowry and name anybody in the relatives of the husband. What is cruelty or what is dowry, nobody knows. A gift to husband is dowry but a gift to wife is streedhan. A husband should not demand any consideration for marriage, but a girl has a right to look for a wealthy husband with a fat pay packet; it is not dowry, it is pragmatism. The law says giving dowry is as criminal as taking dowry, the wife screams that she has given dowry, but the law does not take any action against her- this is women empowerment.
Re: Re: Re: Indian Men, Beware Of Marriage!
by Tall Male on Feb 28, 2011 11:30 PM
Just these are not sufficient. If your wife commits suicide, invariably you will be prosecuted under Section 304B of the IPC. Here, even the prosecution has not prove many thing, Section 113A is there in the Evidence Act to presume your guilt. When men commit suicide, the law is silent. After all men can commit suicide for so many reasons- wife can commit suicide only after harassment by husband and his family. So what, the suicide statistics shows that more men commit suicide. Once any of these cases are registered against you few things are certain-like you are likely to loose your job. You will be merely suspended if you are in government service. You will spend a couple of months in jail before the bail. In jail too you will have full company of your family members. Finally, you will be granted bail and the trial begins. What will happen in trial, I don’t know. Indian Criminal Justice system is totally biased against the accused. That is why making allegation in India has become an industry. It is a tool of legal extortion in the hand of police and false accusers. Well, the purpose of this article is merely informing the worse half of the population the legal consequence of marriage and their vulnerably, if they decide to marry. Difficult to imagine-even now men marry. In any case old habits die hard. There is no solution. We are living in Rule of Law and when the law is tyrannical and prejudiced, you cannot have a solution.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Indian Men, Beware Of Marriage!
by Tall Male on Feb 28, 2011 11:31 PM
But, the risk can be reduced by taking recourse to written contract at the time of marriage. It is a good idea to enter into written contract at the time of marriage with your would be wife. No law prohibits such type of contract. The contract can make provisions for expenses of marriage ceremony, list of gifts received, the couple decision regarding maintenance, child custody and all other items, which the couple feels necessary to incorporate in the written contract. It may seem nauseating to introduce the idea of contract in marriage, but it is better as law has already entered into marriage. Written contract is just one mutually agreed way to reduce the rigor of falsehood in deposition before the court. It is better to catch up a lawyer before the police catch up with you.
WOMEN CAN ACCUSE MEN OF RAPE ANYTIME AND CAN GET THEM JAILED AT WILL. HOWEVER, IF THEIR ACCUSATION IS FOUND FALSE, THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT FOR IT.
WOMEN CAN ACCUSE THE BOY'S FAMILY OF DOWRY AND SEND THE WHOLE FAMILY TO JAIL WITHOUT A BAIL AND RUIN SEVERAL LIVES WITHOUT PROOF.
WOMEN ARE SACRIFICIAL GODDESSES FOR DOING DOMESTIC WORK AND MEN REMAIN DOGS IN SPITE OF FIGHTING AND DYING FOR THE COUNTRY, RISKING AND LOSING THEIR LIVES EVERYDAY FIGHTING FIRE, CRIMINALS, TERRORISTS, WORKING IN COAL MINES, ACID FACTORIES, CONSTRUCTION, AGAINST NATURE ETC.
WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE WHEN THE SHIP IS TO SINK AND MEN HAVE TO ENSURE THAT EVEN AT THE COST OF THEIR OWN LIVES. DOESN'T MATTER EVEN IF THEY DIE.
WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE SEATED WHEN IN BUS OR IN A TRAIN. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO 50% RESERVATION IN GOVT JOBS AND ACADEMICS, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CLAIM ALIMONY AND MAINTENANCE EVEN IN A LIVE-IN RELATIONSHIP. THEY HAVE ONLY RIGHTS AND MEN ONLY HAVE DUTIES. THIS IS CALLED EQUALITY, ACCORDING TO FEMINAZIS...
WOMEN BEING ABUSED IS A TRAGEDY AND A MAN BEING ABUSED IS A JOKE. IF A WOMAN IS STERILE, SHE IS A BECHARI AND IF A MAN IS STERILE OR IMPOTENT, HE IS A NA-MARD AND SHOULD DIE OF SHAME.
WOMEN FIGHTING OR SPEAKING FOR THEIR GENDER ARE STRONG AND MEN WHO SPEAK FOR THEIR KINDS ARE LOSERS AND CHAUVINISTS.
Re: THE JOKE OF EQUALITY AND HYPOCRISY OF FEMINISM
by Tall Male on Feb 28, 2011 11:15 PM
IF A MAN IS CAUGHT IF FOUND CHEATING, THE MAN SHOULD BE SLAPPED AND HUMILIATED IN PUBLIC BUT IF A WOMAN IS CAUGHT CHEATING AND THE MAN OBJECTS VERBALLY, THE WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO SLAP, ABUSE AND BLAME HIM.
WOMEN'S INSULT IN PUBLIC IS DISGUSTING AND A MAN BEING SLAPPED AND INSULTED BY A WOMAN IS ENTERTAINMENT FOR PEOPLE.
IF A MAN SHOUTS AT A WOMAN, IT IS AN ABUSE, IF A WOMAN NAGS, INSULTS AND HITS HER HUSBAND, IT IS COMEDY.
LAKHS OF RUPEES IN DOWRY IS A CRIME, BUT CRORES OF RUPEES IN ALIMONY IS A NOBLE SERVICE. WOMEN ARE VERY EMOTIONAL CREATURES DESPITE THE FACT THAT MANY WOMEN THESE DAYS ARE MARRYING MEN FOR THEIR MONEY.
The oppression of men is an extremely complex phenomenon to understand. It has always been hidden, disguised, indirect, Innumerous, severe, carefully conspired and going on for thousands of years. Above all, it’s carefully and forcibly unacknowledged. Today, it would be seen as ’startling’ and ‘unbelievable’ at the best and outright ‘ridiculous’ and ’scandalous’ at the worst to talk about man’s oppression. It’s not easy to see even the misery and pain of men, even when it is extreme. It is so well hidden not only from the world but from the man himself. It’s just not acknowledged. No place for it in the society. No value for a man’s tears. Tears are ‘feminine’. The mechanisms of man’s oppression are just as invisible as his tears. Once you are sensitized and you learn to look beyond what is ‘obvious’ and you slowly start witnessing it all. The first things that point to the size and nature of these invisible mechanisms are the extraordinary and intense pressures that the society (or rather a section of it) exerts to sustain or strengthen the mechanisms. The masculinity with which boys are born, is natural masculinity. This is given by nature. However, society has created a mechanism whereby it does not acknowledge this natural m
Re: Men Are Oppressed Too!
by Tall Male on Feb 25, 2011 11:19 PM
asculinity. It has instead created its own version, which we shall call ’social masculinity’. Social masculinity is not naturally endowed, but has to be granted by society. Society does not accept a person as a ‘man’ unless he fulfills certain preconditions of roles or expectations of society, referred to as ‘male gender and sexual roles’, or ’social masculinity roles. A person is not considered a man without social manhood. This social mechanism is designed to control male behavior, especially male sexual behavior. The result is silent severe oppression of men. Some of the “Social Masculinity” Roles are: 1. Men don’t have any emotions. They should suppress their emotions and problems. 2. They are rough and tough and should NOT complain about women. 3. Men are expected to be physically tall, strong, and brave. 4. They are supposed to protect and provide women. 5. They are supposed to make sacrifices, even sacrificing their lives, to protect and provide women. 6. They are not supposed to have weaknesses or vulnerabilities. They must not show feelings as these would make them appear weak or vulnerable. 7. They should always be willing to fight their way and defend their families. They should not return from a fight. 8. They should not have any feelings. The result is that men are far more prone to heart attacks and stroke. Their life expect
Re: Re: Men Are Oppressed Too!
by Tall Male on Feb 25, 2011 11:21 PM
ancy is some 5-6 years less than women, worldwide. Similarly, the social construct of manhood makes them NOT to complain about women, even if their women are causing them grievous hurt! Women’s education is subsidized and a lot of support systems exist for them to open shop. While men are paying 82% of taxes in India and are denied any kind of support systems. Yet, it is men who are supposed to provide for women. Every year, 3 times more men commit suicide than women and yet there are no support systems or even laws to protect men. All this is happening in a society that claims to have dumped the earlier traditional roles and concepts of gender and has women working in all fields and having more constitutional rights than men! It is high time that men are liberated from their traditional roles and their masculinity is redefined based in natural masculinity and NOT with the kind of contradictions stated above. Men have always been considered as disposable and have been taken for granted. It is high time men understand that are NOT privileged and have been suppressed too!
We are born in a society where marriage is treated as sacrosanct, something which was fixed in heaven. It is a relationship valid not only in this life but also in lives yet to come. Nevertheless, this relationship is changing and law has played a very important role in altering this relationship. The legislature drafted these laws to protect the vulnerable women in the relationship, but while doing that didn’t keep in consideration abuse of these laws by not so vulnerable women. The judiciary, while sympathizing with the tears of women, didn’t recognize the fact that these may be crocodile tears. Due to these reasons these laws has become a tool to harass husbands, extort money from husbands and their family, to torture hapless women of the husbands family. In short, these laws have made marriage more a legal relationship than a social relationship. The law presumes, everybody knows laws. Marriage is a voluntary relationship, in the sense that till this point of time there is no law which can compel a man to marry (although in practice some women have compel men to marry them by leveling false allegation of rape against them. The recent case of suicide by an ex-Army officer is a cse in point where the man committed suicide due to pressure to marriage and in case of denial threat of false cases.). Thus every man must know the legal provisions before he enters into the legal relationship of marriage.
Re: Indian Men, Beware Of Marriage!
by Tall Male on Feb 25, 2011 10:38 PM
If he enters without knowing these provisions, he cannot blame any other persons for that. However, it is the duty of legal practitioners and social workers to make tem aware of these laws so that nobody enters into a legal relationship of marriage without knowing its implications. Slowly and steadily the number of law governing the relationship between husband and wife is increasing. One thing is common in all laws- they are prejudiced and biased against the men in the sense that they give rights only to the wives and imposes duties only to the husband. Further the language of the law is such that it facilitates abuse of these laws against the husband and his family members. And in fact also the wives are systematically abusing these laws. These laws were primarily designed to protect the vulnerable women in our society but the working of these laws suggest that they have become more a weapon of harassment and extortion in the hand of not so vulnerable women. The Hindu Marriage Act and the Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act impose a duty upon the husband to maintain their wife. However a person can claim maintenance only if he/she is not able to maintain himself/herself. The term is ability or potential to maintain and not mere inability to maintain at any point of time. However, a survey of the judgments will clearly shows that even when the wife was able bodies and educated then also the courts have granted maintenance.
Re: Re: Indian Men, Beware Of Marriage!
by Tall Male on Feb 25, 2011 10:39 PM
Further, these two Acts are not sufficient and the Criminal Court is empowered to grant maintenance as per section 125 of the Code of Criminal Procedure. More Acts for the same relief means that the wife has more avenues to harass a husband through the process of Court. We can see that a wife has a right to maintenance- but what is her duty. Law says nothing. If she abuses the husband, then also she can claim maintenance. If she beats her mother-in-law, then also she can claim maintenance. Thus a wife has no duty, only rights. Just maintenance is not something to be very worried about. What is more important that the wife has been given power to send the husband and his family members to the prison at wish? Under section 498A of the Indian Penal Code a wife can complain that she has been treated with cruelty for dowry and name anybody in the relatives of the husband. What is cruelty or what is dowry, nobody knows. A gift to husband is dowry but a gift to wife is streedhan. A husband should not demand any consideration for marriage, but a girl has a right to look for a wealthy husband with a fat pay packet; it is not dowry, it is pragmatism. The law says giving dowry is as criminal as taking dowry, the wife screams that she has given dowry, but the law does not take any action against her- this is women empowerment. Under this Section octogenarian grand mom of husbands are being prosecuted for harassment- this is power of wife. Just these are not sufficient.
Re: Re: Re: Indian Men, Beware Of Marriage!
by Tall Male on Feb 25, 2011 10:41 PM
If your wife commits suicide, invariably you will be prosecuted under Section 304B of the IPC. Here, even the prosecution has not prove many thing, Section 113A is there in the Evidence Act to presume your guilt. When men commit suicide, the law is silent. After all men can commit suicide for so many reasons- wife can commit suicide only after harassment by husband and his family. So what, the suicide statistics shows that more men commit suicide. Once any of these cases are registered against you few things are certain-like you are likely to loose your job. You will be merely suspended if you are in government service. You will spend a couple of months in jail before the bail. In jail too you will have full company of your family members. Finally, you will be granted bail and the trial begins. What will happen in trial, I don’t know. Indian Criminal Justice system is totally biased against the accused. That is why making allegation in India has become an industry. It is a tool of legal extortion in the hand of police and false accusers. Well, the purpose of this article is merely informing the worse half of the population the legal consequence of marriage and their vulnerably, if they decide to marry. Difficult to imagine-even now men marry. In any case old habits die hard. There is no solution. We are living in Rule of Law and when the law is tyrannical and prejudiced, you cannot have a solution. But, the risk can be reduced by taking recourse to written contr
Re: Re: Re: Re: Indian Men, Beware Of Marriage!
by Tall Male on Feb 25, 2011 10:41 PM
act at the time of marriage. It is a good idea to enter into written contract at the time of marriage with your would be wife. No law prohibits such type of contract. The contract can make provisions for expenses of marriage ceremony, list of gifts received, the couple decision regarding maintenance, child custody and all other items, which the couple feels necessary to incorporate in the written contract. It may seem nauseating to introduce the idea of contract in marriage, but it is better as law has already entered into marriage. Written contract is just one mutually agreed way to reduce the rigor of falsehood in deposition before the court. It is better to catch up a lawyer before the police catch up with you.
I have seen this trend in India: most agony aunties or so called professional counsellers will always support the female spouse when she is obviously two-timing her husband and doing it with his friend or someone. They'll just ask him to be `sympathetic' with her and love her more or it was only a misunderstanding all that blah, blah. But when a guy cheats his wife he's called next to Hitler and called evil. She will be promptly advised to ditch him or approach a family court, etc. It seems in India media is ok with women cheating on her husband.
Re: What advice they give?
by Tall Male on Feb 25, 2011 10:44 PM
Indian media and govt. encourages women to flirt around and have extra-marital affairs. This is called women's empowerment. Anybody who opposes it is called an MCP (male chauvinist pig) by the feminazis and society.
