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A story of Shiva: From man to god


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secret secret
Nice effort, Amish...
by secret secret on Mar 24, 2010 10:35 AM  | Hide replies

Nice effort, Amish, to sell your novel by creating a controversy. Shiva smoking marijuana to get peace of mind?

With some luck (I'm sure you've done your calculations with the help of your publisher and spreadsheet software), rightists will scream for your blood, the pseudo-secular English press led by The Times of India will eagerly stand up for your right to artistic/creative expression, the Congress-led UPA will find that it helps its Muslim vote bank to not ban this book, and all the free publicity can't hurt sales.

That leaves only Lord Shiva's reaction at a cheap effort to make money and/or earn fame by using Him to create controversy. But I'm sure you have it all reasoned out there. Lord Shiva is just a concept, and God can see that you are only following your heart, right?

I would have respected you for pure creative expression if you had also written a similar book about Allah metamorphosing from a human into God. As I see it right now, you're just another of those cowards who's trying to milk money out of the tolerance and apathy of most ordinary Hindus.

Shame on you.

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Hinduism IsNature
Re: Nice effort, Amish...
by Hinduism IsNature on Mar 24, 2010 10:43 AM
Rightly said.
These so-called liberals of Hinduism take their freedom of expression for granted and write only garbage.

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daytime saint
Re: Nice effort, Amish...
by daytime saint on Mar 24, 2010 10:43 AM
@secret secret..one question?

Why do Shivite Sadhus in North India & Nepal smoke Marijuana as part of their penance ?

I have heard a very logical explanation from one of them on TV. Smoking marijuana is part of their bhakti. It helps improve their concentration in their hard Tapas.
May be they are right. It helps them to stay focussed on their prayer and not be disturbed by the happenings around them.

But anyways, the fact remains that most of the Shivite Sadhus smoke Marijuana.

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secret secret
Re: Re: Nice effort, Amish...
by secret secret on Mar 24, 2010 11:01 AM
There's a difference between a Shaivite sadhu smoking marijuana to be able to concentrate, and Lord Shiva Himself doing it. The Shaivite sadhu is doing it since he is, as he admits himself, too weak to be able to concentrate on his own. Lord Shiva needs marijuana to be able to concentrate? Aren't you demeaning one of the Hindu trinity by insinuating he needs to smoke marijuana to be able to concentrate?

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Suresh B
Re: Nice effort, Amish...
by Suresh B on Mar 24, 2010 10:43 AM
absolutely correct. a succint summary.Maybe we too should learn to be intolerant and burn books and spread riots?

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secret secret
Re: Re: Nice effort, Amish...
by secret secret on Mar 24, 2010 11:19 AM
For a moment, Suresh, forget that there is a God. What is the role of a religion?

A religion is intended primarily to give succour to its followers - give them a safety net against life's vagaries, protection against their fears, and hope in times of distress.

In other words, help them live out their 70 years or so on this ruthless planet, with some peace of mind, due to the belief that if they follow certain rules, Someone Big will help in times of distress.

It's easier for me to live with the belief that if I follow some rules there will be a happy ending thanks to someone who will look after me, rather than that there is no order in this planet and anything can happen to anyone, and that there is no hope in times of severe trauma.

The ability of the religion to give succour depends broadly upon:

1. how many people, and, equally importantly, how many intelligent/respected people follow it
2. the extent to which the followers follow the rules of the religion, and
3. how sacred these followers consider their religion

Young followers of a religion tend to place more faith in it - a faith that they will lead safer lives if they follow the tenets of the religion - if it has a large following who swear by it and who will stand up for it. [contd below]

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secret secret
Re: Re: Re: Nice effort, Amish...
by secret secret on Mar 24, 2010 11:19 AM
If you keep letting slights to a religion pass, it demeans the religion for the next generation. And if they do not believe in it enough, the religion loses its capability to act as a safety net for them in times of huge distress.

This is just one reason that Hindus should not let slights to Hinduism pass easily - we owe it to the future generations. There are plenty more, but you'll have to think, read and discover for yourself.

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Dipak Goyal
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by Dipak Goyal on Mar 24, 2010 04:22 PM
Hats off to you man !

Till today, I have not heard / read such a deep understanding of the religion.
You truly demonstrate the larger picture of what a religion is !

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amit
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by amit on Mar 24, 2010 05:19 PM
Great thought process secret secret. I appreciate. Feels like Shiva himself is commenting. And that is true too. Gods live in human hearts.

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Ninad Dalal
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by Ninad Dalal on Mar 24, 2010 06:59 PM
Nicely explained ... I also have similar thoughts about religion, but couldnt have explained as good as you. You should right / express your views more often. Very seldom people get a chance to read quality comments on articles of this nature... well done.

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dude dd
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by dude dd on Mar 24, 2010 07:21 PM
good going secret! this is the first sane attempt at religion/philosohpy made in these boards. But I think you are sort of missing the point here. True religion is a very personal thing. What you are talking about is ORGANISED religion. All the slights/insults/hurts are felt by ORGANISED religion and are in turn projected onto people who follow it. I am a H indu and now that I think abt it I could not have been anything else. but that is my personal belief. ORGANISED religion is nothing more than a business. You pay for the safety net it provides you with ur time, money AND uncondtional support. I am not a H indu jus coz I was born one. neither am I one coz my parents/relatives/safeguarders of culture told me so. I did not even believe in g od till i started reading the G ita. I have seen followerss of ur so called safety net spend 3 hrs daily in a k irtan/s atsang and go to office next day to accept b ribes to do their work properly. I have also seen followers who offer p rayers five times a day but won't hesitate to hit their kids to vent their anger. and wat wud you say abt pr iests and their x-ual escapades within ch urch grounds.
religion is not abt catoons or n ude pa intings or bl asphemous books...each one must find his/her god on their own....if you need help doing that then ur safety-net providers will be more than willing to help...but, as I said earlier, it all comes at a price


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daytime saint
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by daytime saint on Mar 24, 2010 10:50 AM
you are just trying to stirr up people's wrath arent you. Why dont u stop being an Islamic fanatic . or be one, we dont care. BUt mind your own business. Why poke Hindus and get SKKKREVD

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Sam Nair
Re: h
by Sam Nair on Mar 24, 2010 10:25 AM
Big joke..u moron, you know how to kill people, covert them forcily, see ur women as child making machines & to live in middle ages,

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maqsood mira
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by maqsood mira on Mar 24, 2010 01:21 PM
Why you all don't know to do what u have accussed us...I think you all do this better than us but in the dark.

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NetajiBose
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by NetajiBose on Mar 24, 2010 10:26 AM
You are right! No wonder every country in the world where Izzlam is a majority is peaceful country. LMAO
And you muzzlim butt

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MAYUK DASGUPTA
Are we too big to question the existence of God?
by MAYUK DASGUPTA on Mar 24, 2010 10:16 AM  | Hide replies

I am totally bewildered to read this. We talk about the Mehulas who have some sort of historical and archealogical relevance to Indus valley civilization and considered to be the earliest civilization in the central plateau of tibet and eurasia.

In Hindu mythology, the three forms of power, Bramha, Vishnu and Mahesh is the totality of the universe and their existence is well felt in the nature.

I cannot buy the point that a tribal leader has got turned in the powerful 'Mahadev' or Lord Shiva who is transformed in the form of a 'Lingam'. If even I buy that pint, what about the existence of 'Shakti' or Mother Duga? Are they also the decendant of some folks from the ancient world?

This sort of modern ideologies create a divide in the faith of human beings and create a lot of religious divide. Let us not encourage such practice and keep our faith in the holy divine.

India is a land with a lot of examples to show that God really exists. The world believes in it and generations next will alos follow the path.

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B Ram
Re: Are we too big to question the existence of God?
by B Ram on Mar 24, 2010 10:34 AM
Agree all this is a form of perversion - by half baked knowledge of what hinduism is and historically incorrect. The timeline talked about is 2000 BC ... while the origins of Mohenjadaro goes well before 2500 BC.

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Ajith Damodaran
Re: Are we too big to question the existence of God?
by Ajith Damodaran on Mar 24, 2010 10:29 AM
Mr. Dasgupta's point is valid. We should not tinker with the perceptions of the holy texts. Faith is something that we have to carry forward without being influenced by stories like this.

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Ranganath aa
Re: Are we too big to question the existence of God?
by Ranganath aa on Mar 24, 2010 10:27 AM
Very true... Lets not encourage such writings...

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