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UPSC topper:I want to be agent of change


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Satya Vyas
Praksh Raj
by Satya Vyas on Jun 13, 2010 02:48 PM

Yes. We should decide on a tryst after, say 20 years. (Remember, Three Idiots) Then we will see, how far he has walked the talk. otherwise all these will be mere rhetoric. The history so fas has been full of lies and hypocricies, other what India needs is just a few hundred Change Agents out of a billion population to make it a super power. What we now have are Arjun Singhs, Vishwanath Pratap Singhs, Lalus and Paswans. Whta we need is Atals, Manmohans, and Kalams for this country. I would rather suggest the use of lie detector at UPSC to weed out hypocrites.

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Deepak M
Familiar lines
by Deepak M on Jun 13, 2010 02:10 PM  | Hide replies

Prakash Raj Purohit has mouthed exactly the same line that hundreds of his predecessors have uttered while making it to the IAS. That they would be the agent of change for this country. Most of them have promptly forgotten this noble motive and settled into a complecent and corrupt system that has done precious little for the country since Independence. Prakash Raj should walk the talk. I would be interested in tracking this officer's progress and seeing what change he has been able to achieve in 5,10,15 and 20 years time. Are you ready for this Mr. Prakash Raj? If you are, show us what you can do.

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gulrukhahmad
Re: Familiar lines
by gulrukhahmad on Jul 02, 2010 12:57 PM
rightly said mr. deepak.its very diificult in india to wlk on right path and bring changes .this is just because of corrupt beareaucrats and politicians.even if mr. purohit sincerely thinks of changes he will hav to face pressures from higher subordinates.all we can do is wish him luck so that he could do those things which he really thinks of.

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Parvez Ahmad
Brain Drain again
by Parvez Ahmad on Jun 13, 2010 12:05 PM  | Hide replies

Country spends a lot of tax payers money to create one IIT engineer. It is unfortunate that these engineers are of no use to nation-- either they go to serve other countries like USA, or join civil services for corruption..
Form Parvez, BE Computers, GCET JAMMU

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ilango rajaram
Re: Brain Drain again
by ilango rajaram on Jun 15, 2010 09:49 AM
it is rather fortunate that a qualified engineer is goin to be one of the policy maker of our country...an engineer in IAS is an asset to the nation

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rohit kaushik
Re: Brain Drain again
by rohit kaushik on Jun 13, 2010 02:17 PM
thanx parvez bhai for ur "to thepoint comment"

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atul Pandey
Congrats
by atul Pandey on Jun 13, 2010 11:52 AM

Welcom to this noble profession mate...

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Krishnadas kiran
UPSC topper: I want to be an agent of change
by Krishnadas kiran on Jun 13, 2010 08:48 AM  | Hide replies

Definitely we have to appreciate your hard work. But, Another waste of money for exchequer. I am from Science stream. If you want to really contribute the way you put, why do you have to study BTech from IIT. I think Govt should bring legislation barring all IIT (BTech) students from entering Admn services. If you were so inclined, you could have easily joined IES, were your services are much needed. Looks like you are driven by power and the scenes shown in cinema. The Brits left 2 things that are the worst viruses for India till today, one is cricket and the other is Bureaucracy (IAS). Its not only politics that has spoilt India, very importantly its the IAS and peoples madness for this. Why you need a bright IIT Engineer to do a Admn job which is more related to constitution, law jurisdiction etc and at best disaster management. You just destroyed tax payers money by not joining INDIAN ENGINEERING SERVICE. Let BA/BCom/Sc stream people enter the ADMN service. You should think unbiased when trying to serve public. India needs you to contribute in Research/Eng service for low emission power generation, renewable energy etc... please continue research. Run the economy engine with newer technologies that prolong the life of the planet while that enhances standard of living. I personally have no jealous on such people. But very importantly I think every job has its bole to play in society and so is the job of a Research, What Indians lack is good attitude for doing their job.

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Maprayil Joseph
Re: UPSC topper: I want to be an agent of change
by Maprayil Joseph on Jun 13, 2010 12:05 PM
What an immature comment. We should rather have more people with professional backgrounds in the IAS/IPS etc.

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Krishnadas kiran
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by Krishnadas kiran on Jun 13, 2010 01:01 PM
Do you think u r going (A Engineering Graduate in IAS) to contribute on constructing VLSI in electronics, Buildings, or Roads as a District Magistrate? or a secretary in Govt Dept? There is Engineering wing, PWD, Power corporation both in central and state govt. You are not allowed to think on technology (only u can suggest as a Engineer) as you (IAS Candidate of Engineering background) is for administration. He can order a re-look by the Executive Engineer on a work done by a contractor, but the decision is at the knowledge of Executive Engineer. Do not comment on things u dont know. Looks like u haven't understood the administration, or u too are among the guys who want to sail safe as a Engineer into IAS.

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Krishnadas kiran
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by Krishnadas kiran on Jun 13, 2010 01:08 PM
Maprayil Joseph,According to you a Civil Eng graduate is going to do job well as a Police officer? is he constructing police station in Police department. Do you think a BTech Chem Eng into IPS is going to design explosive charges for making bombs or try writing MSDS(Material safety data sheet) being a Police Superintendent? As a Dist Magistrate, do you with a BTech Software Engineer go to write codes in the Panchayat developmental works or land acquisition. There are companies who would assist administration with digitali1zing land records. the DM need not be software eng. Such low knowledge of yours, you stay away on commenting. Looks like you are immature and illiterate

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Prateek Gupta
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by Prateek Gupta on Jun 16, 2010 06:04 AM
Dear Krishnadas if you think that IITians are only good in technical field, then this itself shows your poor understanding of IITian. An IITian can excel in any field he goes into; not bounded by his respective engineering field. They can be good manager at financial firm and also good consultant of pharmaceutical industry.
Secondly, IAS officer's job is more than supervision. He is the main policy maker. He decides on where the road should be build and where schools are necessary (on local level). And an IAS is the chief officer for taking financial and monetory policy decisions. These are just examples, all ministries are typically run by their secretaries and merely headed by Ministers. So, my friend dont think that any person can handle an IAS position. You require best people to administer those.

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Krishnadas kiran
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by Krishnadas kiran on Jul 02, 2010 02:29 PM
I do not think they are good only in technology. But why are u deviating from such a wonderful subject like technology to land in a clerical job, and please, Ilangovan, be clear on what to do in life. I look at the people (IAS with IIT/IIM backg round as sail-safe guys who want to be nested protected and abuse power. If u cant understand what I wrote, probably u r fittingly less educated. I say IITians can enter IES and do better wonders or continue research. If the IIT Engineer wished to go to Administration he is free to do as a matter of right but there is nothing great he can do different from a Arts/Sc/Commerce Graduate. Pleasei, do under estimate such graduates and think IITians in administration can do wonders which the others cant do. Then u may get slapped by millions of youth in India who r non-IITians, good IQ and are able enough to do IAS. The IITians (soyme power ymongers do not want to serve nation through IES or through research in DRDO/CSIR etc labs. They waste exchequers money that went to their education, and they land a self-proclaimed safe job. Its a shame on such mentality. Shame on both of you too. Even the medicine graduate shouldn't come to IAS and rather should serve the Medical services of Govt.

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Krishnadas kiran
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by Krishnadas kiran on Jul 02, 2010 02:39 PM
IAS is law implementing and administration. They are involved in policy making as admin machinery, and are not actually the sole Policy makers. Be it Civic corporations, Urban development authorities, Finance, or anything9. U have right to glorify IITians rbut not to presume that the rest of the Graduates are lower in IQ then the IITians. U may get caned by the youth for such derogatory statements. Understand administration properly before commenting. Also, Please, if u love power so much then go into the IAS. continue the legacy of the British of glorifying bureaucracy and be living in the destructive era. JAPAN raised from ashes and they do not have such falsely glorified administrative machinery like the brits. U belong to the slavery era. U like colonialism. Be bold to bring a tech revolution on the planet if u r IITian, dont sit nested in IAS. Go and serve India in IES.

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ilango rajaram
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by ilango rajaram on Jun 15, 2010 10:08 AM
then which guy is eligible for bein an IAS..is there a course for bein an IAS right from college level...then pls dont comment on engineers or doctors becomingIAS..atleast they ve passed the toughest competitive exams in INDIA...as for your questions I think that it is possible for a civil engi; to construct a police station.WHY not?he is not an educated spineless man like you shedding away from responsibilities

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pkr ramesh
Re: UPSC topper: I want to be an agent of change
by pkr ramesh on Jun 13, 2010 09:08 AM
These guys are forced by parents to study Medicine,Engineering and once they pass they change their mind and join civil service or these are cat on the wall types who cant think for themselves and switch completly to different fields What does a doctor engineer do in IRS,IPS.At least lawyers I can understand they can apply their education.Govt should ban doctors engineers from becoming IAS/IPS/IRS.They can start Indian Medical Service on lines of ias,ips and use their knowledge

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abhi
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by abhi on Jun 13, 2010 10:35 AM
India or any democratic country .. one is free to choose any job education based on his ability .. as he has ability to do .. u can not stop one on invidual basic .. he is free to do what evere he want to study and do for carried within frame of india Law ..

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pkr ramesh
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by pkr ramesh on Jun 13, 2010 11:30 AM
Mr Abhi I know any body can do anything here Why did Govt ban doctors till late 70s?Let these guys join say Indian Medical Service or Indian Engineering Service where thieir knowledge of medicine and engineering is applicable What a criminal waste of resources Is it not a type of Brain Drain?

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vivek chaubey
Re: UPSC topper: I want to be an agent of change
by vivek chaubey on Jun 13, 2010 11:04 AM
ban iitians by law everywhere....because u just cant stop them....iitians are not just engineers...they are diverse enuff to do whatever they want...

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Krishnadas kiran
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by Krishnadas kiran on Jun 13, 2010 11:35 AM
The whole intention of saying that somebody wants to serve public through Civil services is just absurd. U r correct when u say everybody is free to choose jobs they like to do, which is why we want legislation there9. We want their education to be of use for society. Not doing Engineering/Medical and then working like a head clerk or a head cop. Where will your technical degree be of use? Go into Atomic power/Power research/rbe of use to society rather than jus doing a work that should have been done by some person of ordinary knowledge or related to countries legal profession. U study IIT to secure your future first, then u sit qualify IAS and waste the whole money. U want power and that too absolute power. being a head clerk and practicing red tapism9. Showing your prowess to a passerby on street (not workable with Netas)9. U can even serve IES with best technology contributions. Its not about who has what rights. Its about weather people have respect for the work they do and do they love it. The intention with the above candidate (and all those with IIT Eng and Join IAS mentality)is clear, they want power, they want to make money, and then they want to flash these two in front of a beggar and middle class people in society. Bureaucratic mentality. There are hundred ways to serve public if you really will to do. Dont glorify this job as its just one among the various jobs that contribute to the society.

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pkr ramesh
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by pkr ramesh on Jun 13, 2010 11:55 AM
Rightly said Mr Kiran If they wanted to have secure risk free file pushing jobs why do they join professional course?What sudden surge of Patriotism,want to serve etc etc.Crap waste of precious resources Govt says it spends so many lakhs per student to become doctor,engineer and govt wants them to serve in India to prvent brain drain but what about these guys Is it not a criminal waste of resource? You can be agent of change wherever you are and in whatever you do What change these guys are going to do inIAS IPS IRS ?

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ilango rajaram
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by ilango rajaram on Jun 15, 2010 10:01 AM
if that is de case , you all pls tell me which UG course covers all de aspects of being an IAS.a lawyer by becoming IAS,acc. to you , is doin gross injustice to the law community!!jus try to get out of the conservative attitude that one's profession must be decided by what one studies..many ve switched over...take Dr.APJ Abdul Kalam,a physics graduate,who 'engineered' AGNI and then 'Administered' india as a president--inspiring many youth..

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Prateek Gupta
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by Prateek Gupta on Jun 16, 2010 06:08 AM
Nice example there :P

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Mahendra singh
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by Mahendra singh on Mar 27, 2011 07:07 PM
Wow mr Krishnadas kiran what a great knowledge u have of an iitian and u want to decide his fate. You want to reserve ICS for arts and science students. By the way what u do and what have u achieved in life. Tell about yourself first and then we can also judge u.If u have so much intellect then go and qualify urself. But what u can do only is to criticise others on their achievements and self do nothing. But i dont blame u , u r a star and hero and u alone can decide the future of others and i salute u for that .Please continue your pious work of critisizing others.I and youth of india salute U .By the way who says that IITans have not done anything for the conuntry.They have gone in diverse fields and achieved success , they have done research,they have top positions in many companies,they have made us pride by serving nation in Indian Administrative Services and I salute them , but this will start pain in ur ass so i salute u first. Now please proceed by saying ur holy godly words, declaring me illitrate and downtroden because that is ur common perception of briliant IITans and all above average people.
Thanking you
Mahendra

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Mahendra singh
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by Mahendra singh on Mar 27, 2011 07:06 PM
Wow mr Krishnadas kiran what a great knowledge u have of an iitian and u want to decide his fate. You want to reserve ICS for arts and science students. By the way what u do and what have u achieved in life. Tell about yourself first and then we can also judge u.If u have so much intellect then go and qualify urself. But what u can do only is to criticise others on their achievements and self do nothing. But i dont blame u , u r a star and hero and u alone can decide the future of others and i salute u for that .Please continue your pious work of critisizing others.I and youth of india salute U .By the way who says that IITans have not done anything for the conuntry.They have gone in diverse fields and achieved success , they have done research,they have top positions in many companies,they have made us pride by serving nation in Indian Administrative Services and I salute them , but this will start pain in ur ass so i salute u first. Now please proceed by saying ur holy godly words, declaring me illitrate and downtroden because that is ur common perception of briliant IITans and all above average people.
Thanking you
Mahendra

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Mahendra singh
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by Mahendra singh on Mar 27, 2011 07:06 PM
Wow mr Krishnadas kiran what a great knowledge u have of an iitian and u want to decide his fate. You want to reserve ICS for arts and science students. By the way what u do and what have u achieved in life. Tell about yourself first and then we can also judge u.If u have so much intellect then go and qualify urself. But what u can do only is to criticise others on their achievements and self do nothing. But i dont blame u , u r a star and hero and u alone can decide the future of others and i salute u for that .Please continue your pious work of critisizing others.I and youth of india salute U .By the way who says that IITans have not done anything for the conuntry.They have gone in diverse fields and achieved success , they have done research,they have top positions in many companies,they have made us pride by serving nation in Indian Administrative Services and I salute them , but this will start pain in ur ass so i salute u first. Now please proceed by saying ur holy godly words, declaring me illitrate and downtroden because that is ur common perception of briliant IITans and all above average people.
Thanking you
Mahendra

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babu
Cut Money
by babu on Jun 13, 2010 08:41 AM  | Hide replies

Surely cut money amounts more than the salary and perks. So the new Agent of Change will earn more cut moneys. Great Idea. Change India man. Best of luck.

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raghvendra singh
Re: Cut Money
by raghvendra singh on Jun 13, 2010 12:25 PM
You will be changed much before you can bring about any change. The System will ensure it; it started with your change from Engineering to Administration! Waste of taxpayers' money!

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ilango rajaram
Re: Re: Cut Money
by ilango rajaram on Jun 15, 2010 10:03 AM
it is far better to be a taxpayer who would like to atleast attempt to be anagent of change than to be a pessisimistic taxpayer(you,Mr.Raghav) who isnt wiling to take up the challenge and jus discouraging the former.

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mohit anand
Will See
by mohit anand on Jun 13, 2010 05:52 AM

Will See Boss, Will See...

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Bheemasenachar Koppar
Congrats
by Bheemasenachar Koppar on Jun 11, 2010 06:52 PM  | Hide replies

Congratulations!, but the moment you get into this water (bureaucracy)you will know how difficult it is to tread the path of righteousness. It is AGNIPATH and you need solid resolve to move forward. I wish you all the luck and good wishes.

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Suraesh Singh
Re: Congrats
by Suraesh Singh on Jun 12, 2010 05:54 AM
AGNIPATH is for rigid people who choose to break rather than bend, for street smart SHANSHAH is the better option. “Follow the path of least Conflict”, If criminals are more powerful then you, then just say “Yes sir” to everyone, you only know when "yes" means yes and when "Yes" means putting on the best of Indian bureaucracy for National Interest, and Indian bureaucracy is best known for its In-efficiency.

If someone call me a coward, I take it as a compliment, winner is not the one who kill and get killed in the middle of the night, winner is the one who mange to survive till next morning. If raw aggression and physical force would have been the winner then its Lions, tiger and elephants which will be controlling earth, not humans.

We got the higher faculty called intelligence and when situations in society start going into jungle zone, we have to use our wild skills and form the strategy to decide the right course of action according to circumstances.

Only thing advised is don’t get carried away by your wild skills, keep them as potential and use only when necessary and should know who to apply it on and when, make sure aggression does not become a habit.

If an office peon demand bribe from me, I may just make a bad face and give him money, try to see the big picture, he might be taking money from me because he got to give bigger brib

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Suraesh Singh
Re: Re: Congrats
by Suraesh Singh on Jun 12, 2010 05:54 AM
bribe to someone higher up.

We inherit Police/bureaucratic system from British which was designed to keep the population in control with extreme fear and force. Politician will not reform it because it represent the conflict of interest for them, more often than not, they use the state machinery to enhance their grip on power and further their own personal interests.

The result is that Common people don’t find anyone they can trust including Police and bureaucracy, everyone is left to defend for himself. In the competition for survival, some people, who don’t find any avenue for justice and protection, get into the fold of anti-nationals and foreign sponsored criminal syndicates, which lead to more and more anarchy and wild like situations.

Politicians will not reform the system as its against there interest, so to stop the country from disintegrating and civil war, the only option is that change comes from within bureaucracy and policing system itself. Common people working in government jobs have to think that if incident like Bhopal Gas happened again, there children and relatives will be dying as well. Politician will just take the first flight out of the country like Anderson and will never return.

To bring politicians in check, common man has to use the same technique like them, talk sweet in front and do bitter things behind the scene. So they get confused and scared because they don’t know who is there man and w

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Tom Dick
Congrats and ....
by Tom Dick on Jun 11, 2010 11:07 AM  | Hide replies

While I congratulate you, I feel sorry that our political bosses will not allow you to exercise your skill and will in reforming system because that will not be in their interest. I feel sorry that extremely talented people pass the UPSC but have to work under uneducated politicians.

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bhaskar
Re: Congrats and ....
by bhaskar on Jun 11, 2010 11:49 AM
Never fail to make it as Sarkari babu kaa kursi, where office attendants put water and say salaam. Not surely a room away from your staff where you can relax and get going.

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Anil Dikshit
Congratulations
by Anil Dikshit on Jun 11, 2010 08:12 AM

You richly deserve your success. Your thoughts and vision are commendable, but do you really think it is possible to change the system? The politicians wont allow you to achieve your goals, they believe in only one change, "change"(transfer) the person who becomes a stumbling block in their goal of making money

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