OM asks: can you name any one man who has 2 arjuna awards for 2 different games??? >> If she had competed with men in the two sports and got those honors I would give full credit to her.
Here is my question: Can the best of women's cricket/hockey/soccer team compete with men's team and beat them? If you say yes then you are a serious joker. If you say No, then stop portraying women are better than men.
When women stop demanding undeserved reservations, only then equality can be considered.
PS: Don't think that I am woman-phobic. I respect those women who come up on their own merit and not through reservation and other means
Re: To Opinionated man
by Dude says on Dec 13, 2010 11:46 AM
Another thing is in the western society a lot of young women in their 20s date 60 men, who are rich and famous. Why is that? It shows such women are after money. They are opportunists
so funny, opinionated man, amit, banana republic and dude says are all same. Strange how this fellow gets paid. He seems to be having too much freetime...
Every person (male/female) that believes in equality knows that both male and female need to contribute to a nuclear family. However, feminists believe "women are more equal than men" but portray "women are equal to men". I have few questions to those disgusting feminists.
1. Can a woman better the records of men in sports? Can they compete with men, if they are equal? 2. Why in spite of achieving so-called liberation in the west, most of the Nobel laureates in science & tech are men? Why no woman has ever deduced a theory similar to "theory of relativity?"
These feminists are bunch of lunatics who are so much frustrated in life that they up the tempo of feminism so that they can oppress good men and women.
Re: Feminism
by Opinionated Man on Dec 10, 2010 01:06 PM
1) yes they can and why not? Look at Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova, Nadia Comanesi, or even our very own PT Usha to the very recent asian games winners
2) Honestly even in the west liberation is not in the true sense of the term. As far as invention sgo I hope you know of a lady called Ada Lovelace...
We always give credit to the man, Charles Babbage is called father of computers, but very few know the contribution of this lady... MArie Curie has won Noble for both physics and chemistry.. Mother Teresa...and many others
I remember of a Physical Traner of my school...she was a double Arjuna award winner for both athletics and hockey, can you name any one man who has 2 arjuna awards for 2 different games???
Re: Re: Feminism
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 01:17 PM
@Opinionated man – I’ve read all your comments and am pretty sure that you are a woman posing as a man to convince us that this is how men think. In any case, I still respect your opinions. Your comments bring me back to the original question as to why women need any special privileges when they are so clearly equal as mentioned by you?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Feminism
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 02:28 PM
Women got those rights quite some time back. Yes, it is very difficult to see an educated man talking about women’s rights. I gave you a number of cases of discrimination against men.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Feminism
by Opinionated Man on Dec 10, 2010 02:36 PM
Well, for your information I am an educated( if you call a masters degree s educated enough) and a happily married man( if that qualifies as a "MAN").
Re: Re: Re: Feminism
by Opinionated Man on Dec 10, 2010 02:15 PM
the society is thoroughly biased against women..
Even today there is bias against women right from female feticide, infanticide to not sending girls for education to hurling abuses to women who work..
Why go anywhere else, some people here in rediff only condemn women who stay out of home after 8pm as indecent women...
To cope aganist such a biased society there is rights for equality of women.
You needs to understand the broader perspective my friend, and not just generalize looking at a few people around you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Feminism
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 02:21 PM
We see things from very different perspectives it seems. Most of the things you mentioned like infanticide, education , work, etc. are issues of the past in my opinion, which you are convinced are still rampant. I give up. Like I said earlier I respect your opinion, although I disagree with them.
Re: Re: Feminism
by Dude says on Dec 13, 2010 04:03 AM
Common OM,
1) Could Steffi, Martina, and others beat equal no.1 seeds of their times? FYKI Martina Navratilova, when still no.1, lost to Jimmy Conners in humiliating straight sets. Jimmy was retired for ages then. Women tennis players cannot return the serves of men. Imagine Roger Federer playing No.1 woman tennis player. She will be blown 6-0, 6-0.
I admire Marie Curie; Mother Teresa was an opportunist. Even in Chess only Judith Polger could compete with men to certain extent but couldn't become No.1.
If you wish to truly assess the case, then ask women to compete with men- and not with themselves- to see the true results.
Re: Feminism
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 01:45 PM
I need to add something to this. In grand slams, women play just 3 sets while men play 5 sets and yet they receive the same amount, which is just plain discrimination against men. Look around and we can see thousands of such examples of discrimination.
Re: Re: Feminism
by Dude says on Dec 13, 2010 04:25 AM
Well Amit, why can't these women compete with men in grand slams and win trophies? If women are equal to men, why can't they face men in the court? If they can't win, and ask for extra money then it is another form of reservation! huh
Re: Re: Feminism
by Opinionated Man on Dec 10, 2010 02:08 PM
Am not sure of others, but this equal prize money was as a result of movement, this happened as recent as 2007.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Feminism
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 02:24 PM
It should be equal pay for equal work! That’s what equality is all about. Play 5 sets and by all means take the same pay.
Re: Re: Re: Feminism
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 02:25 PM
Guys will get ridiculed for playing with Barbies while girls never get ridiculed for playing outdoor games.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Feminism
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 02:32 PM
All the best for the fight, I don’t really have much to add to the debate. All the best and nice debating with you. Take care.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Feminism
by Opinionated Man on Dec 10, 2010 02:35 PM
The concerned people are fighting, for all kinds of injustice and wrong doings..
Re: What makes a woman happy?
by Dude says on Dec 10, 2010 09:23 AM
Feminists say "become her slave." However, a woman who believes she is equal to man in contributing to a good family life will be loved by her man. The moment she becomes a self-centered feminist she's discarded by every man.
I've never really understood this hype of equality from feminists. You shout out for equality and at the same time, you want reservations just about everywhere, guys to foot the bills all the time, alimony from an ex husband who you cannot stand (despite this being the 21st century where there are equal working opportunities), heavily biased anti male laws, etc. If you want equality, behave equal first, and you will receive it.
Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Opinionated Man on Dec 10, 2010 08:46 AM
In spite of that women are still getting beaten regularly by their spouses, even in big cities and among educated people. Just a scenario for you:
A couple settled in US, one day the girl discovers that her husband is cheating on her for the past 1 year shamelessly. When she comes to know of it, he buys return tickets for her to India and she packs her bags and comes back. Now in this scenario, if you were the lady's friend what would you have done???
Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 08:53 AM
Men are also getting falsely accused in big cities and among educated people. Dowry laws are being rampantly misused. Even the Supreme Court has pointed out the abuse of law. With regards to the scenario that you mentioned, I would have not interfered in her marriage, because quite frankly it is a matter for that couple to sort out.
Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Dude says on Dec 10, 2010 09:27 AM
My friend, for every man cheating on his wife, there must also be a woman cheating equally. Most of the time the other woman does this knowing that that man is already in a relationship. You want examples: Monica Lewensky, Hema Malini, Rekha, all GFs of Tiger Woods. Now tell me the other side of the story, eih?
Re: Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Opinionated Man on Dec 10, 2010 12:48 PM
I guess if it had been the other way round, you would have called the girl some names.
Just see how mean you can get...
You see your friend cheating and yet dont say anything to him???
Re: Re: Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Dude says on Dec 13, 2010 04:07 AM
who said? I am not discriminatory towards anyone. How did u assume that I would resort to name-calling only to woman and not to men?
Did Hema Malini, Rekha, and other great stars commit illicit affairs even after knowing that those guys (AB, DD) were already married?
Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Opinionated Man on Dec 10, 2010 08:49 AM
Laws are heavily biased, everyone agrees, but don't you think that is for a reason???
Just think of our mentality, if at work some lady gets promoted, people gossip that she must have suck up to her boss..... We need to change our mentality to treat women equally, and it cannot happen in a few years....
Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Dude says on Dec 10, 2010 09:29 AM
The first gossipers will be women in that company! Don't generalize. Further, there are also women who do such things to go up the ladder. There are men who exploit good-looking women in companies. I guess you are one-sided opinionated
Re: Re: Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Dude says on Dec 13, 2010 04:08 AM
guys gossip on other matters. When it comes to many women they lead their life in gossiping.
Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 08:57 AM
Educated people treat women equally. I’ve never needed laws to convince me that women are equal. I can say the same for all my educated friends too. But women by asking for unnecessary privileges are sending out a message that they don’t consider themselves equal.
Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Loan Shark on Dec 10, 2010 03:11 AM
looks like you have been feeding those broads and paying dinner bill and not getting laid
Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Kalpana Natarajan on Dec 10, 2010 03:13 AM
I partially support you in this. I cannot stand women who suck money out of their ex husbands, whom they cannot live with anymore. If you dont likea person, why take money from him? Arent you educated and in good health to take care of yourself?? I hate women who cling on to men! I am also against women only reservations.. it may have been needed in the past, but now yes it does not make sense!
Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Dude says on Dec 10, 2010 06:32 AM
Plus those shameless women retain their husband's surname. Don't they have an identity after divorce? If they have an iota of shame they should stop using their ex-husband's surname, stop looking for freebie money etc. All these feminists are doing is pressing for getting 50% share in ex husband's property. In doing so they say they r equal to men lol
Re: Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 07:20 AM
Dude, I don’t even understand the concept of alimony. Why do men still have to pay women maintenance? Aren't we in the 21st century where men and women have equal work opportunities? Maintenance is just a legal social evil exactly like dowry once was and eventually people will realize it, and address it for the crime that it really is.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Dude says on Dec 10, 2010 07:58 AM
Why do men still have to pay women maintenance? >> Ask feminists; they will quip "men are from mars, women are from venus." Martians should toil hard to earn and protect Venus-babes! However, they also want reservation for women in every field!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Feminism is outdated and irrelevant
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 08:06 AM
People are getting aware gradually in the west too. I don’t see this trend continuing indefinitely.
I’ve heard this subtle suggestion 1000 times that a man has ego problems with his woman being successful, and here I see it again. Please don't blame the male as usual. Women have more issues with their earning more and being more successful than males, and ALWAYS want a partner more successful than themselves. They just don't want to admit it, and hence blame the issue on "male ego", etc.
Re: No ego at all
by Dude says on Dec 10, 2010 05:02 AM
This is what is happening in modern day India: at least 50% of educated women try to keep her husband's family members out of sync with his husband. She will make him a slave of her parents' needs. If he doesn't listen, she will threaten to move out with children. If he still doesn't listen register a complaint under section 498a and put him and his family members behind bars. 3 of my friends have experienced the same situation. The laws in the west are best compared to stupid women-centric laws in India.
Re: Re: No ego at all
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 07:17 AM
Dude, the only solution is boycott marriage and having children, as is being done in the West. Only then will things gradually improve.
Re: Re: Re: No ego at all
by Dude says on Dec 10, 2010 07:56 AM
It is difficult in India. Once you impregnate a woman, her family members will force you tie a knot (three in fact).
Re: Re: Re: Re: No ego at all
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 08:04 AM
I meant boycott having children too. I agree that seems a tad crazy, but there seems to be no other solution.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No ego at all
by Dude says on Dec 10, 2010 09:31 AM
sometimes in the heat of the moment, men forget helmet! Plus if u don't reproduce, Mlims will overpopulate!
Feminism has done more damage to stability of relationships and marriage unlike anything else. Men have zero rights in child custody, child support, alimony, domestic violence laws, dowry act, 498 a etc, Is it a coincidence that Western men are boycotting marriage and even having children, en masse, and this is now gradually going to happen in India too? I don’t even understand what feminists are still fighting about, and find it amusing to find some women proudly call themselves feminists. It is men who should be fighting for equality
Re: A
by Dude says on Dec 10, 2010 05:06 AM
Look, man adjusts to nature better than woman. When faced with similar situation, what did they do in the west? Loiter around women, have more children and enjoy life. West bended its laws of late and gives equal custody of children. Women know very well that they will lose their man if they do dodgy stuff and hence strive hard to maintain relationship. A friend of mine in NZ gets equal child custody (3 or 4 days a week every alternate week equal sharing in holidays).
Re: Re: A
by Amit on Dec 10, 2010 07:15 AM
Ya dude, I know. Things are moving in the right direction in the west gradually, although we are trying to emulate the America of 50 years back. Things have to get better eventually. Sanity will prevail.
Re: Whats that
by Jayakwadi Jayakwadi on Dec 10, 2010 01:03 AM
To love,to appreciate,to make him feel wanted dose not mean to be a slave.Isn't that's exactly woman want from man.Apart from physical difference man and woman have same emotional need and they look for some one complementary to them.If there are men who say they get impressed by achievements of a woman and not because she is loving ,caring, appreciative then they should marry their boss. these men will become perfect keeps. But you will not understand it because feminists like you are worst than male chauvinist.
Re: Re: Whats that
by GeorgeBushIsGreat on Dec 10, 2010 02:28 PM
U better try to understand what other guy writing okayy and you yourself is confused what u r writing. Be clear.
