There are a whole lot of issues that our present 'Science' could not understand and hence cannot explain.
The best thing about 'Science' is that it accept these limitations it has.
But only in India we have Doctors who go on TV with a 'Scientifically unacceptable' and foolish concept of 'Past life' for the sake of money.
I don't see much of a difference except their 'make up' between these people and a 'Scoundrel' as both are ready to do anything for the sake of robbing 'petty cash'.
See what is her answer to the last query, does science validate past life. This scoundrel of a doctor answers that 'She cannot say anything on that, but she does what she does because world over other scoundrels does that'.
What worser form of 'Cheating' could a 'Doctor of Medicine' take?
We can even sympathize with a 'Scoundrel', as he resorts to 'evil' due to lack of other means.
But Dr. Trupti Jayin, NDTV imagine are worse than these scoundrels as they 'Cheat' consciously and in a manner of 'Conniving Criminals'.
Re: past life
by Pranav B on Dec 07, 2009 07:55 PM
I recommend that you look into some of the research done on "near death experiences". Also the concept of past lives is well explained in a book called Autobiography of a Yogi which is one of the all time best sellers in America. Human creation itself is very scientific and I do not think it is well understood yet.
For the past 200 years or so, we have been brain washed by the communist-british education systems whose goal was to dominate India by ridiculing Indian culture and education systems.
Re: Re: Re: past life
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 08:04 PM
first of all i object to the word creation itself, humans were never created, but evolved from simpler beings, and btw rationality is not a totally western concept, there were charvaks in ancient india who refuted the claims of vedas and souls and god
Re: Re: Re: Re: past life
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 08:06 PM
if a book is best seller is america, it does not mean that it has great value, btw USA is one of the most religious nations in technologically advanced societies, and obviously pseudoscience books will sell more there.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: past life
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 08:20 PM
why it is creation by god?
when recent advances shows that universe can start in a big band form nothing due to quantum fluctuations from nothing without any creator.
Near death experiences can be called as sort of dreams which all of us have while asleep, I give you my example, when I was 8 years old I had to undergo an open heart surgery as I had a congenital heart condition, during the operation, I dreamt of a wedding ceremony , good food was being served and I was not able to eat it as there was great pain in my chest, this is not a near death experience, but just a dream.
When it has been shown that biological molecules like amino acids and proteins can be created naturally from ancient earth climate and after a while it can give way to life.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: past life
by Giridhar Gopal on Dec 07, 2009 08:39 PM
Answer to one of your previous posts: Will answer u step by step. a)I never confirmed/denied Darwins theory. I just drew that as an analogy to emphasize that not all scientific theories are repeatable. I dont think thing "these concepts" are going away with more and more discoveries. The concepts of “placebo” remains and will remain till human beings exist (only the form will vary). As per psychiatry, this is one of the most important factors for religions to evolve/survive. b)We have seen cases in scientific history when ppl believed Rutherford’s model of the atom which was debunked by Neil Bohr a few years later. But ppl WERE believing in Rutherford till his theory got disproved a few years later. I am not saying scriptures are 100% right(we have stories of a demon having 10 heads and a God showing the entire Universe with his mouth which I agree is not rational). I feel Upanishads are by and large true (am not expecting you to believe it. But sir..take my advice, please read it with an open mind and its commentaries by Adi Shankara). c)There is no convincing way to brand what is science and what is pseudo science. If you observe, the ‘pseudo science’ has been defined by ‘scientists’. Interesting .. is’nt it? People who believe ONLY in physical and measurable data, repeatability etc talking about thoughts, their intensity, their emotions etc which cannot be measured
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: past life
by Pranav B on Dec 07, 2009 08:13 PM
who said if it is a best seller in America it is of great value? Just understand that God's creation is very scientific and evolution itself is part of God's creation. Have an open mind and do some reading on the two topics that I have recommended. There is nothing wrong if people like you question ideas. Only questioning leads to a better understanding. Keep questioning. take care.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: past life
by Pranav B on Dec 07, 2009 08:50 PM
Do the necessary research and reading and then call whatever you want. I do not want to hear your imgaginations.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: past life
by Giridhar Gopal on Dec 07, 2009 08:40 PM
(now please don’t say EI is a measure of emotion. With whatever we have discussed, I am assuming, u r too intelligent to say this ). But hey .. believe it or not, when we talk about thoughts and actions, it DOES have logic and evidence(unless you believe ‘As you sow, so you reap’ is not true . It is commonsense that if we work hard, we succeed .. right.. or at least the probability of success is high ). The philosophy says “we are a consequence of our thoughts and actions”..just that we remove the “time factor” of 70-80 years that we have lived(or would live) and take in to consideration our thoughts and actions prior to our “so called” birth. It is very interesting talking to u
Re: Re: past life
by Head Ach on Dec 07, 2009 08:53 PM
what brain wash education makes a guy think on his own and not what like religion and other stuff which makes you to follow a path dude dont think education is brain wash but this what she is doing is brain wash
Re: Re: Re: past life
by Pranav B on Dec 07, 2009 08:46 PM
Do you want me to say it is a best seller and stop right there...or should I end that sentence with inforamation on where it was a best seller. Just to make you happy ...let me tell you that it was a best seller in Russia as well.
Re: Re: Re: Re: past life
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 09:03 PM
by the way emotions are also part of evolution a, both biological and cultural, it has undergone changes, we see certain kigd of empathy which is said to be a human emotion, hut it is not true, chimps and elephants also show kind of proempathy, it can be inferred, along the line of evolution, when more and more complex human societies were forming as was complex hominids, there culture which shapes the social behaviou also evoled emotions gradually, it is not given by some so called souls, our brain has an inner layer, which is called reptillineal brain, reptiles does not have empathy or emotions, but as we evoled into mammals and priomates,upper layers came to be, so did emotion.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: past life
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 09:05 PM
ins cience it is always correction, not giving away with some belief, rutherford model was not rejected, but improved by Bohr
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: past life
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 09:08 PM
first you said evolution and general theory of relativity were not repeatable, but i showed you they are, then you went metaphyscial saying taht there are somethings which can not be measured, i.e., emotion, btw it can be measured, if you do can scan of people by subjecting them to different emotional states, you can see which parts of brain lights up and it is different for different people.
Is there any provision in the law under which I could sue NDTV for spreading superstition in the country? Shame on these cable channels. Sometimes they bring astrologers to teach you how to ward off evil effects of solar eclipse. And now...this! This is really the limit.
Re: Is there a way I could sue NDTV?
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 07:20 PM
it is business, there will not be any law against these things as there are vested business interests
Re: Re: Is there a way I could sue NDTV?
by Giridhar Gopal on Dec 07, 2009 07:48 PM
Pls dont pre-suppose that there is nothing after death. Just because today’s "scientists" dont know, it does not mean things don’t exist. The problem with u folks is that whenever u hear about afterlife, NDE etc, u either associate it with religious scriptures or generalize it as a mumbo jumbo and "brand" it as unscientific. I agree not everything that scriptures say is true, but have u realized that scriptures are honest attempts by intelligent honest men about the purpose of life, its past and its future? This concept may not be repeatable (which is a necessary condition for science to accepts-and I agree with with it) but that is because this deals with HUMAN THOUGHTS and the CONSEQUENT ACTION which are so varied and unpredictable. So repeatability is not a yard stick to measure these concepts. FYI - Darwin's Evolution Theory is not repeatable thing neither is Einstein's General theory of Relativity. But just because Einstein said it, u believe it ..u can’t question Einstein .. can you ? ). BTW: I am a rationalist and I adore these scientists, their hard work and intelligence. But learn to look at this concept rationally, collect material, talk to people, do some hard work…. have u honestly done that? You asked “what were these souls doing before universe was formed” ….it is a v good question …not trying to sound spiritual, but I recommend you read Adi Sankaracharya’s commentaries on Purushashuktam and Brahma Sutras(if u r genuinely interested). It will take a long ti
Re: Re: Re: Is there a way I could sue NDTV?
by vikranbir nagra on Dec 07, 2009 08:25 PM
dude..
no one can prove afterlife.. science accepts any repeatable behavior.. if it cannot explain it, still it accepts it.. hoever thr is no proof of afterlife in any repeatable way..
the human brain is a very complex organ.. many things can initiate hullucinations nad illusions in it.. what you see may not be true.. forget about things you dont see.. pls stop believing in things that cannot be proved..
NDE is like a dream.. death is like deep sleep from which you wont wake up.. there is no point in glorifying the two.. btw.. Darvins theory of evolusion has been repeated on some spicies of birds over a span of a few decades.. and einstine's theories will remain thories till the time they can be proved or watched in action.. it is not scientific till there is repeatability, reproducibility or sufficient direct or indirect proof.
Re: Re: Re: Is there a way I could sue NDTV?
by Rishi Agarwal on Dec 07, 2009 08:05 PM
Giridhar, please dont be under the delusion that ur a rationalist. Ur claims on science are plainly false. Darwins evolution theory is repeatable. It is happening today. Only it happens over vast geological timescales that we cannot perceive it in our day-today life. The fossils are the evidence to his theory. Anyways, I and other eminent scientist believe in relativity not becos Einstein said so, but becos it is verifiable by evidence and it has not been disproved. Ur last 2 sentences clearly prove what poor understanding u have abt science and rationality.
Re: Re: Is there a way I could sue NDTV?
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 07:58 PM
not really, I do not believe, that read it,Though general theory of relativity does need some mathematical training, but origin of species can be read by any layman. the thing is critical thinking, more new discoveries are coming up, more these concepts are goping away.
You said about repeating, what einstein did just after discovering GTR, he calculated the orbit of murcury, if it did not match with observation, he himself would have thrown it away.
But the problem with souls, past life anf those kind of pseudoscience is they lack both logic and evidence, they only rely on it was said by that person, it it very old, thus it is true.
Re: Re: Re: Is there a way I could sue NDTV?
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 08:02 PM
you can see specialtheory of relativity when we use it everyday life, do you know as time slows down in presence of strong gravity, the clocks in earth run slower than clocks in satellites, and this adjustment was done to make up for this time delation so that we can use GPS system without fault. Did you know a speciation of finches have been observed in galapagos just recently, trhere are over 300 cases of real time evolution
But with the pseudoscience like past life, it was said by some old, sage, that´s why it is true.
Re: Souls
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 06:58 PM
these are nothing but ways to make money by foolign people, just liek reiki, feng shui, astrology, vaastushastra
Re: Re: Souls
by Tathagata Dasmajumder on Dec 07, 2009 07:00 PM
people started to believe in souls because it was hard for them to accept that after death there is nothing.
